Why does the earth rotate?

[AV1611VET]

Yes, I believe that the senses and brain can be manipulated in various ways by others, but not the consciousness. The latter possesses the capability through volitional intention to critically analyze the information provided to it by the senses and brain.

A conscience has to first be programmed.

And depending on who the programmer is, the programmed will turn out accordingly, unless he is reprogrammed by others, including the Holy Spirit, Himself.

Did Shoko Asahara follow his conscience?

I believe he did.

 

[AV1611VET]

Either you don't have a girlfriend, or you've never been shopping with her.

I'd better not have a girl friend!

 

[essentialsaltes]

Again, you're focusing on the length (into the distance). I am focusing mainly on the width.

A small building in the distance appears insignificant. A gigantic building (width) in the distance can cover the whole illustration.
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I'm not talking about the axis relative to the ground (lengthwise into the distance), but about the axis relative to the width of the sun.

I'm afraid I must contradict you. My original comment was replying to this comment of yours.

"I thought it was fairly obvious what it was communicating. If the top of the illustration was true and the sun was millions of miles away, then all sun rays should be virtually straight and perpendicular and evenly seen streaming down across hundreds of miles of clouds like this:

| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |

We do not see such crepuscular rays; we see

/ / / | \ \ \

instead which points to a much closer sun."

You were discussing how far away the sun is. And you were basing it on whether the lines are parallel or not.

That is the same point I am addressing. Railroad tracks are parallel, but they appear to radiate from a vanishing point. If sunbeams are parallel, they would also appear to radiate. Let's stick to this point, please.

Going back to the railroad tracks: Your eye's judgment is wrong about how far away the rails meet, since they never meet at all.

Given that fact, why should the evidence of the sunbeams be any different?

 

[essentialsaltes]

This is what parallel lines look like.

What if, instead of a vanishing point on the horizon, the parallel lines were emanating from the region of the sun in the sky? And then you block the sun and the upper sky with some clouds. The rays from the sun would follow those diverging slanting lines in the lower half of the picture, emerging from any holes in the cloud cover.

 

[ananda]

To insert another problem with your idea - a 30 mile wide sun would not function - it simply would be nowhere near large enough for nuclear fusion to take place, yet we know it does every single second. Are nuclear physicists also part of this great conspiracy and faked their theories?

How do they "know" this, having not gone to the sun and inspecting the fusion process themselves?

Also, what's on the other side of the Earth?

Is the moon flat? Are the other planets flat?

I don't know. My theory is that the "planets" are merely how our physical eyes interpret the existence of other planes of existence.

 

[ananda]

I'm afraid I must contradict you. My original comment was replying to this comment of yours.

"I thought it was fairly obvious what it was communicating. If the top of the illustration was true and the sun was millions of miles away, then all sun rays should be virtually straight and perpendicular and evenly seen streaming down across hundreds of miles of clouds like this:

| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |

We do not see such crepuscular rays; we see

/ / / | \ \ \

instead which points to a much closer sun."

You were discussing how far away the sun is. And you were basing it on whether the lines are parallel or not.

That is the same point I am addressing. Railroad tracks are parallel, but they appear to radiate from a vanishing point. If sunbeams are parallel, they would also appear to radiate. Let's stick to this point, please.

Going back to the railroad tracks: Your eye's judgment is wrong about how far away the rails meet, since they never meet at all.

Given that fact, why should the evidence of the sunbeams be any different?

Yes, distance is one factor, but not the only factor ... that is what I am saying.

 

[ananda]

This is what parallel lines look like.

What if, instead of a vanishing point on the horizon, the parallel lines were emanating from the region of the sun in the sky? And then you block the sun and the upper sky with some clouds. The rays from the sun would follow those diverging slanting lines in the lower half of the picture, emerging from any holes in the cloud cover.

According to your explanation, the angle of the heliocentric sun's rays must appear very low in the sky. That is not the shallow angle I see with my own eyes in the sky, or in various photos either.

 

[Kylie]

Rather than being vague, try focusing on some specific issue. For example, the smash up that you claim started the earth spinning! Why pretend you have something?

I'll do it when you do it.

Please describe the exact mechanism which caused the laws of the universe to behave differently in the past.

 

[dad]

I'll do it when you do it.

Please describe the exact mechanism which caused the laws of the universe to behave differently in the past.

God. Obviously. Same way they will be different in the future. Too bad science has nothing to say about it eh?

 

[essentialsaltes]

According to your explanation, the angle of the heliocentric sun's rays must appear very low in the sky. That is not the shallow angle I see with my own eyes in the sky, or in various photos either.

No, that's why I said "instead of a vanishing point on the horizon, the parallel lines were emanating from the region of the sun in the sky"

Imagine the horizon is the very bottom of the image, not where it says horizon line. We know the rays come from the sun, which could be high in the sky.

 

[dad]

No, that's why I said "instead of a vanishing point on the horizon, the parallel lines were emanating from the region of the sun in the sky"

Imagine the horizon is the very bottom of the image, not where it says horizon line. We know the rays come from the sun, which could be high in the sky.

perhaps another thread on the size of the sun...seems off topic..

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

So your christian perspective on how the earth started spinning is (correct me if I am wrong here) that after a big bang sometime, an object collided with earth?

Let's see what meets your satisfaction!

I suppose everything I see i see from a Christian perspective but when it comes to the spinning of the earth I don't normally consider that as something to see from a Christian perspective.

Astronomers have yet to observe any heavenly body anywhere that does not have some kind of state of rotation. It is therefore not a big surprise that our own earth also rotates.

there is a history of earth that accounts for the details of our rotation and yes, that history does include a collision that resulted in the creation of our moon . . . but there would have been rotation of the earth even without that.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Yes, I believe that the senses and brain can be manipulated in various ways by others, but not the consciousness. The latter possesses the capability through volitional intention to critically analyze the information provided to it by the senses and brain.

You've never heard of post-hypnotic suggestions? Advertising? Propaganda? The consciousness can be manipulated.

 

[Loudmouth]

Why don't you tell us His point of view then?

You are the one making the claims about God says this or God says that.

 

[ananda]

You've never heard of post-hypnotic suggestions? Advertising? Propaganda? The consciousness can be manipulated.

The consciousness can choose to be manipulated through ignorance or indifference.

 

[dad]

I suppose everything I see i see from a Christian perspective but when it comes to the spinning of the earth I don't normally consider that as something to see from a Christian perspective.

Maybe that is why it seems like something else!

Astronomers have yet to observe any heavenly body anywhere that does not have some kind of state of rotation. It is therefore not a big surprise that our own earth also rotates.

That does not mean a rock smashed into earth in some uncreated fantasy past! That simply means that God set thing up that way.

there is a history of earth that accounts for the details of our rotation and yes,

No. There is godless so called science groping in the dark, and claiming things they could never begin to prove.

that history does include a collision that resulted in the creation of our moon .

. . but there would have been rotation of the earth even without that.[/QUOTE]

Ps 104:19 - He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

Ge 2:1 - Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
1Ch 16:26 - For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

Ps 89:11 -The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them.

Ps 102:25 - Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
Ps 136:5 - To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Pr 3:19 - The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Speaking of postulating, why postulate the internal core of the earth is hot?? Maybe you think the big bang shot out stars that went bump in the night and produced our planet so it had to be hot inside?? Ha.

Ever been to Yellowstone N.P. before? Ever seen a volcano erupt?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Maybe that is why it seems like something else!
That does not mean a rock smashed into earth in some uncreated fantasy past! That simply means that God set thing up that way.
No. There is godless so called science groping in the dark, and claiming things they could never begin to prove.


. . but there would have been rotation of the earth even without that.

Universal denial of all science continues with this one. An interesting aberration.

 

[dad]

Ever been to Yellowstone N.P. before? Ever seen a volcano erupt?

Yes. You know how deep the hot stuff is?

 

[dad]

Universal denial of all science continues with this one. An interesting aberration.

An abberant imagination is all that is involved in the story that earth started spinning due to some big bang rock, lost in space..smashing into a freak accident produced earth!