Why Does Man Sin?

[Idea]

Sin is the normal state of the Flesh.... God created the flesh to be Sin full!!????

That way only he could save us.....and we cannot boast before him that we saved ourselves.

Our right standing with God...is dependant on what God did with Jesus on the Cross....we are all helpless before God.

Glory be to God!

I agree - Sin is the normal state of the Flesh, that there would be no Savior without sin, no humility without sin... I do not agree however that God created Sin. God is perfect, Loving, and Just. He in no way created Sin... It is a long read, I know, but would love some comments on my new thread "God did not create evil"...

 

[ForeverChristian]

I believe that God had to have created evil, because from the beginning, God knew that Adam and Eve would fall to temptation. God knew that He had to send a Savior one day to rescue the entire world.

But who knows? God might have created evil but evil may have been good, because God can only do good, even though He is all-powerful. Here's a proposal I have and this is totally inspired by what God is saying to me right now, I don't have any documented evidence of it. anyways... what if evil was created good in the beginning, BUT when man came into the world, evil became corrupt and was damning because of the actions of man.

And in reference to a different thread, when talking about John 1:3, the word that often translates into "make" in the english, the greek is more ambiguous, Strong's dictionary states:

γίνομαι
ginomai
ghin'-om-ahee
A prolonged and middle form of a primary verb; to cause to be (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literally, figuratively, intensively, etc.): - arise be assembled, be (come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, be done, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

Therefore, God's creation is more than just a cooking recipe that turns out to be a good cake, it's beyond all of our comprehension.

 

[Benoni]

God can use sin to accomplish His will and if He did not make sin then where did sin come from.

God is a lot more then, perfect, and loving and just; He is God; God is a judge, He is the Alpha and Omega and I might add every letter in between, He is the creator of all thing, god of the universe.

Did not God created the Devil? He created Adam and are you saying God is ignorant of and had no clue Adam and Eve would sin? I say God set Adam to sin; and knew and ordained He would sin.

Something as Hugh as the fall and death of all of humanity you are going to lay blame on little Adam; and then expect me to believe God had lost control for a moment in time and did not know or understand sin would happen? If this was true then God is a god; and He is not sovereign. Stop trying to put god in your preconceived box; He will never fit.

God did create evil/ calamity.

 

[squint]

God can use sin to accomplish His will and if He did not make sin then where did sin come from.

God is a lot more then, perfect, and loving and just; He is God; God is a judge, He is the Alpha and Omega and I might add every letter in between, He is the creator of all thing, god of the universe.

Did not God created the Devil? He created Adam and are you saying God is ignorant of and had no clue Adam and Eve would sin? I say God set Adam to sin; and knew and ordained He would sin.

Something as Hugh as the fall and death of all of humanity you are going to lay blame on little Adam; and then expect me to believe God had lost control for a moment in time and did not know or understand sin would happen? If this was true then God is a god; and He is not sovereign. Stop trying to put god in your preconceived box; He will never fit.

God did create evil/ calamity.

 

[pehkay]

1. Man's Body Being Transmuted into Flesh

God created man with a pure body, but something of Satan was received into man's body and man's body changed in nature. It was transmuted into the flesh. In other words, it was corrupted. Man's body, by being corrupted in man's fall, became flesh, full of lust. In Romans 7:18a Paul said, "For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, nothing good dwells." The flesh is the corrupted body.

2. Satan Becoming Sin within Man

Through man's eating the tree of knowledge, Satan entered into man and became the very sin within man. To see this point we need to read Romans 7:14b, 17, and 20. In verse 20 Paul said, "But if what I do not will, this I do, it is no longer I that work it out but sin that dwells in me." Romans 7, especially in verses 8, 11, 17, and 20, indicates that sin is a person, the embodiment of Satan, and is living and acting within us. Sin is a personification of Satan. Actually speaking, the sin within us is Satan. At least we can say that the sinful nature within man is the nature of Satan. The sin within man refers to his inward sinful nature. This inward sin is just Satan himself indwelling our corrupted body, that is, our flesh.

3. Sin Acting as Evil in Man

In Romans 7:21 Paul says, "I find then the law with me who wills to do the good, that is, the evil is present with me." When Satan entered into man, Satan became sin within man. When this sin acts in man, this sin becomes "the evil." The evil is the action of sin. When sin acts in us, it becomes the evil.

The real significance of man's fall is that man received Satan's thought, feeling, and will, Satan's being, Satan's personality, into the inward parts of his soul. Thus, man's soul became one with Satan's person through man's fall. Also, Satan as sin got into man's body, making man's body the flesh. Satan indwells this flesh as sin, as fallen man's sinful nature. When this sin acts, it is the very evil that moves and acts within man. Through the fall, man's being, man's personality, man's soul, has been filled with Satan's being, with Satan's personality. Satan dwells in man's body as sin, which acts as the evil. Thus, through man's fall, man became one with Satan. This is the reason that the children of men eventually are called in the Bible the children of the devil (1 John 3:10). Fallen man became one with Satan in his personality and in his nature. Man and Satan are one, so the children of men actually are the children of the devil. This is the focus and the real significance of man's fall. We need to point out that man's fall was a receiving of Satan's being into man's being and a taking of Satan himself into man's body, corrupting man's body and transmuting it into the flesh.

[This is why we sinned. Not because we did something wrong, but the very nature of sin dwells in us, working as a law (law of sin and death).]

 

[dancinggurl54]

Well, God Created the world perfect. Adam and Eve was created perfect, there were no sin in this world at all. But because Adam & Eve ate the fruit on the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thats when we became sinners! God wanted this world perfect, but he also gave us a choice to choose from right and wrong! He wanted us to have the freedom to choose him.

Genesis 3:6
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves

The key phrase you should look at is "then the eyes of both of them were opened!"

Wow that says a lot there. Adam and Eve eyes were open to sin after they ate the fruit. They didn't have any knowledge of sin at all, they knew that had freedom to do anything except for that one rule that God had made! Yes, the serpent tempt Eve into eating the apple, but Jesus was tempted by Satan plenty of times, but didn't give in. (Jesus being tempted by satan- Matthew 4:1-11)

Verse 10 & 11- it says

10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

Adam and Eve knew that they were naked because of sin came into their lives when the ate the fruit. Before they ate it, they had no idea of them being naked. They were comfortable with themselves. After the fact they weren't so comfortable they were ashamed!


Well i'm going to stop right there if you have any questions just respond to what i've written!

Debbie

 

[holyrokker]

Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned"

Hmmm. This verse seems to be pretty clear as to the originator of sin - man

 

[Giver]

What does it matter, where or how, sin came about? All that is important is that Jesus said, “Don’t sin anymore.” Jesus Is God, and the only important thing is to do what he told us.

 

[Benoni]

What does it matter, where or how, sin came about? All that is important is that Jesus said, “Don’t sin anymore.” Jesus Is God, and the only important thing is to do what he told us.

If you do not have your foundations right; you have nothing.

 

[Giver]

If you do not have your foundations right; you have nothing.

All you were doing is, mental gymnastic, just speculation.

The foundation is Jesus and his Word. Just follow him and live his Word.

Jesus once told me to quit trying to figure him out. Just follow him.

 

[Benoni]

Well, God Created the world perfect. Adam and Eve was created perfect, there were no sin in this world at all. But because Adam & Eve ate the fruit on the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thats when we became sinners! God wanted this world perfect, but he also gave us a choice to choose from right and wrong! He wanted us to have the freedom to choose him.

Genesis 3:6
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves

The key phrase you should look at is "then the eyes of both of them were opened!"

Wow that says a lot there. Adam and Eve eyes were open to sin after they ate the fruit. They didn't have any knowledge of sin at all, they knew that had freedom to do anything except for that one rule that God had made! Yes, the serpent tempt Eve into eating the apple, but Jesus was tempted by Satan plenty of times, but didn't give in. (Jesus being tempted by satan- Matthew 4:1-11)

Verse 10 & 11- it says

10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

Adam and Eve knew that they were naked because of sin came into their lives when the ate the fruit. Before they ate it, they had no idea of them being naked. They were comfortable with themselves. After the fact they weren't so comfortable they were ashamed!


Well i'm going to stop right there if you have any questions just respond to what i've written!

Debbie

Yes God did create the world perfect and also Adam and Eve; but then on the seventh day God changed Adam. You see on the sixth day Adam was made in God’s image; but on the seven day God made Adam a living soul; in other word God set up Adam to fall; so Adam had no choice; but to fail. Are you saying little Adam had the power to send billions of his fellow man to sin, death and corruption, and God had no knowledge of it, or power to stop it. Yes Adam made the choice; but His choosing was because God ordained it. There is no such thing in scripture reference to man having a freewill when it comes to God. Man does not choice salvation God draws you; Adam did not choice to sin because God’s Word declares “Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse”

Romans 8:20 (NLT) Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse. But with eager hope, 21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay.

(NASB) 20For the creation (A)was subjected to (B)futility, not willingly, but (C)because of Him who subjected it, [a]in hope 21that (D)the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

Yes Jesus was tempted and overcame; that also was god’s plan; who needs a savior if there is no sinner.

 

[Benoni]

Ops

 

[Benoni]

All you were doing is, mental gymnastic, just speculation.

The foundation is Jesus and his Word. Just follow him and live his Word.

Jesus once told me to quit trying to figure him out. Just follow him.

.. Oh I forgot you do not sin; and now you are telling me we should not seek, ask and knock for the deep things of God’s Word. There are two people in the Book of Revelation; those who over come and those who do not. God’s Word is deep and the deeper it goes the more awesome it is; you can be satisfied right where you are; not me I am never satisfied.

There is a message here and it is deep and it is not milk; milk is for baby Christians because they will choke if you give them a little piece of steak (spiritual speaking) This is not " mental gymnastic"this seeking the reality of God's Word and not the traditions of man made creeds, dogmas and religions; it is spirit and life.

 

[Giver]

.. Oh I forgot you do not sin; and now you are telling me we should not seek, ask and knock for the deep things of God’s Word. There are two people in the Book of Revelation; those who over come and those who do not. God’s Word is deep and the deeper it goes the more awesome it is; you can be satisfied right where you are; not me I am never satisfied.

There is a message here and it is deep and it is not milk; milk is for baby Christians because they will choke if you give them a little piece of steak (spiritual speaking) This is not " mental gymnastic"this seeking the reality of God's Word and not the traditions of man made creeds, dogmas and religions; it is spirit and life.

Who is your teacher? If it is God then he will let you know the truth. You don’t have to struggle to learn the truth. Also he will let you know what you need to know at the right time.

 

[Benoni]

Who is your teacher? If it is God then he will let you know the truth. You don’t have to struggle to learn the truth. Also he will let you know what you need to know at the right time.

Amen; but who is your teacher some religion?

If all you eat is the milk of the word; you are right. But the deep things of God; you are totally wrong..

 

[Giver]

Amen; but who is your teacher some religion?

If all you eat is the milk of the word; you are right. But the deep things of God; you are totally wrong..

Jesus has been teaching me about him for over thirty years. He hasn’t once wasted his time telling me about who created sin.

 

[Benoni]

Jesus has been teaching me about him for over thirty years. He hasn’t once wasted his time telling me about who created sin.

So what is your point?

 

[dancinggurl54]

Yes God did create the world perfect and also Adam and Eve; but then on the seventh day God changed Adam. You see on the sixth day Adam was made in God’s image; but on the seven day God made Adam a living soul; in other word God set up Adam to fall; so Adam had no choice; but to fail. Are you saying little Adam had the power to send billions of his fellow man to sin, death and corruption, and God had no knowledge of it, or power to stop it. Yes Adam made the choice; but His choosing was because God ordained it. There is no such thing in scripture reference to man having a freewill when it comes to God. Man does not choice salvation God draws you; Adam did not choice to sin because God’s Word declares “Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse”

Romans 8:20 (NLT) Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse. But with eager hope, 21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay.

(NASB) 20For the creation (A)was subjected to (B)futility, not willingly, but (C)because of Him who subjected it, [a]in hope 21that (D)the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

Yes Jesus was tempted and overcame; that also was god’s plan; who needs a savior if there is no sinner.

I'm sorry not to be rude. But where in the bible does it say that God changed Adam? Yes, God new what was going to happen, he knows all things. I'm not going to deny that. But on the 7th day you said God change Adam, but according to Genesis 2:2 God rested on the 7th day, so how would God have changed Adam? He couldn't of, unless he lied about resting. And I really sure that the Bible isn't a lie!

Genesis 2:2

By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Okay, God does give us a choice to choose him or not. Yes, he knows all things but he does give us the freedom to choose him.

I read this that someone wrote, and I think it makes very good sense.

"You can choose to believe in gravity or not believe in gravity, the choice is yours. But because you choose not to believe, does not mean that gravity does not exist. If there was no choice available then there would not have been the need for two specific trees in the Garden of Eden."

Moses gave the chosen people the Word of the Lord: "...I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live,..." Deuteronomy 30:19

We have the choice to choose life over Death, or vice versa!

I think this would be a good read for you also. Should explain some stuff and ill highlight specific parts for you also.

Genesis 2-3
1 Corinthians 15:20

The Last Adam​

The significance of Adam as a type doesn't become apparent to us until we see him contrasted with the Last Adam.
Adam is called a “type” (NASB, NET) or “pattern” (NIV) or “figure” (KJV) of the Lord Jesus Christ in Romans 5:14. "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come."
The Greek word is typos meaning to “strike. A piece of metal was struck by a type leaving an impression on it. The typos was the mark left by an object that was struck. The word came to mean a person, object, or event that prefigured or typified something greater than itself. In the passage before us Adam was a “type” or “pattern” that prefigured Jesus Christ.
Adam was the representative of the human race and his decisions to obey or disobey God had lasting results on all mankind to follow. Because he disobeyed God the effects of that transgression was passed on to every person. Adam fell and we all fell in him (Romans 5:12-21; 1 Corinthians 15:20-28, 45f). By contrast Jesus Christ is also the head of a new family of God by which He is the representative of all who obey Him. The redeemed have been purchased by Christ. We enjoy His victory on behalf of all who have responded to His saving grace by saving faith.
Jesus is never called second, third or fourth Adam. In the Bible, He is always the Last Adam because there could never be another one like Him. He is the only one of a unique kind.
"God after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world" (Hebrews 1:1–2).
Even though he was the head of God's creation Adam failed. With his disobedience, he brought depravity on his whole family and to every descendent down through the ages. We inherited sin and death from old Adam. "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned . . . " (Romans 5:12; cf. 1 Cor. 15:22).
Sin, transgression and death came because of Adam; however grace and eternal life came through Christ. “But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many" (Romans 5:15).
“The wages of sin is death . . . ” (Romans 6:23a). Death is the punishment of God for sin. We all die because we have sinned. Sin and death entered the human race through the one act of disobedience of Adam.
In old Adam we all die, however, in the Last Adam, we have eternal life so that we will never die. Jesus said to Martha, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" (John 11:25–26). The Apostle Paul brings out the contrast vividly when he wrote, "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive" (I Corinthians 15:20).
Whereas Adam spurned the love of God, Christ died on the cross and unveiled the heart of a loving God. “God commended His love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:6). In His death Christ bore the full curse of the Fall. Christ paid “the wages of sin” in full as our substitute. Jesus bore the full consequences of Adam’s sin. He was made a “curse for us” (Gal. 3:13), and died in our place (Matt. 27:46).
"For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ" (Romans 5:17).
Then he adds, "through one transgression there resulted
condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men" (5:18). “For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous" (v. 19). Jesus became “obedient unto death, even the death on the cross.”
First Adam brought death; Last Adam brought eternal life.
First Adam brought condemnation; Last Adam brought justification.
Adam’s disobedience and its consequences were passed on to all of us without exception. However, Christ’s obedience and righteousness is passed on to all who repent and believe on Him. Adam stood for many and brought death upon all; Jesus Christ stood for many and brings eternal life to all who trust in Him.
God appointed Adam the head or representative of the human race. It is because Adam sinned that death passed upon everyone. Christ’s righteousness is imputed to the believer exactly the same way that Adam’s sin was imputed to us. Even though we inherited our sin nature from Adam what condemns us is we have all sinned in Adam. On the other hand it is our vital union with Jesus Christ that provides our salvation. Just as we were judged in Adam we have also been judged in Christ. The Last Adam set us free. It is an act of grace.
Horatius Bonar wrote, “The first Adam dies, and we die in Him; but the second Adam died, and we live in Him!”
The first Adam was tempted and failed the test, and in him, we all continue to sin and die. The Last Adam was tempted as was the first, but remained sinless, and lived a perfect life of righteousness. Jesus Christ is the only " . . . One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin" (Hebrews 4:15b).
The Last Adam reversed the effects of the Fall. “Where sin abounded, grace did much more abound.” Adam terribly disobeyed God. On the other hand Jesus perfectly obeyed His Father and vindicated His love and sovereignty.
The first Adam began with everything provided for him in the Garden of Eden and he lost everything. The Last Adam began with nothing in a stable and ended with everything. "For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich" (II Corinthians 8:9).
Adam is a type or picture of Christ in His love for His Bride. Jesus loved His Bride and gave Himself for her (Eph. 5:25; 2 Cor. 5:21).
The first Adam was commissioned to "be fruitful" replenish the earth. The Last Adam came to "bring many sons to glory" and to fill heaven with redeemed people known as His Bride.
The first Adam lived a long fruitful life to accomplish his destiny. The Last Adam was born to die to accomplish God's eternal purpose.
The first Adam was given a bride as a helpmate. The Last Adam had to purchase His Bride, at the cost of His very life. The bride of the first Adam was painless since he was placed in a deep sleep. However, the Bride of the Last Adam was purchased through the deep sleep of His death on the cross of Calvary.
The first Adam lost his bride through age, disease and death. The Last Adam will never be separated from His Bride.
Through the first Adam's disobedience all mankind were all made to be sinners, however, through the Last Adam "many were made righteous" (Romans 5:19). That imputed righteousness that we have received as believers is His gift to us. It is not because we merited it, or earned it. It is ours because He has adopted us and placed us into His family. He is now the head of our family, not old Adam

Okay, sorry it's so long! I take bible courses because I'm working my way to become a Youth Pastor, and if something don't sound right to me, I study and get proof to back up my answer lol. The first part of that is just something my school goes in depth with. But we have to choise to believe in what we want to believe or else it wouldn't make sense. And yes, God knows all things but he still give you the choice!

 

[dancinggurl54]

Yes God did create the world perfect and also Adam and Eve; but then on the seventh day God changed Adam. You see on the sixth day Adam was made in God’s image; but on the seven day God made Adam a living soul; in other word God set up Adam to fall; so Adam had no choice; but to fail. Are you saying little Adam had the power to send billions of his fellow man to sin, death and corruption, and God had no knowledge of it, or power to stop it. Yes Adam made the choice; but His choosing was because God ordained it. There is no such thing in scripture reference to man having a freewill when it comes to God. Man does not choice salvation God draws you; Adam did not choice to sin because God’s Word declares “Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse”

Romans 8:20 (NLT) Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse. But with eager hope, 21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay.

(NASB) 20For the creation (A)was subjected to (B)futility, not willingly, but (C)because of Him who subjected it, [a]in hope 21that (D)the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

Yes Jesus was tempted and overcame; that also was god’s plan; who needs a savior if there is no sinner.

Oh the reason why I posted the Last Adam for you is because there was the original Adam and Then there was Jesus which was called the last Adam. So this tells you that they both were made perfect by God and both had a CHOICE to choose life over Death.. First Adam chose to sin and Jesus (last Adam) choose not to. Because they both were tempted and that had a decision to make which is life or death! Jesus obeyed even though he was tempted which made us have eternal life. He died for our sins so that we could. Okay let me stop lol..

 

[Benoni]

I'm sorry not to be rude. But where in the bible does it say that God changed Adam? Yes, God new what was going to happen, he knows all things. I'm not going to deny that. But on the 7th day you said God change Adam, but according to Genesis 2:2 God rested on the 7th day, so how would God have changed Adam? He couldn't of, unless he lied about resting. And I really sure that the Bible isn't a lie!

Genesis 2:2

By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Okay, God does give us a choice to choose him or not. Yes, he knows all things but he does give us the freedom to choose him.

I read this that someone wrote, and I think it makes very good sense.

"You can choose to believe in gravity or not believe in gravity, the choice is yours. But because you choose not to believe, does not mean that gravity does not exist. If there was no choice available then there would not have been the need for two specific trees in the Garden of Eden."

Moses gave the chosen people the Word of the Lord: "...I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live,..." Deuteronomy 30:19

We have the choice to choose life over Death, or vice versa!

I think this would be a good read for you also. Should explain some stuff and ill highlight specific parts for you also.

Genesis 2-3

We have no choice or Freewill; God draws/drags and I will addd force; it is His will not carnal man

The Bible does not say God changed Adam; but if you look at the Genesis with open spiritual eyes; and not traditional teaching eyes, it is there. Yes God rested on the seventh day; but look a little closer.

First of All in Genesis 1 on the sixth day God created Adam in His Image, His likeness and He had dominion

Genesis 1: 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Who is God, soul; no He is spirit; and Adam walked and talked with God in the cool (spirit) of the day. There was no Garden of Eden yet, no soulesh Adam made from dust; that happen on the seventh day.


Genesis 2

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What is a soul but our mind, our intellect, are carnal reasoning; notice we were lowered from being created in God’s image; to soulesh man, a dust man; God set us up for the fall.

8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

We are all spiritual beings in that we are all created in God’s Image and His likeness; but God does not want us to be robot’s or puppets on a sting; He desires overcomers; not innocence. My three year old Grandson is innocent; God bless the little guy; but in his innocence that little boy will eat anything. My sheep know my voice; notice it does not say my baby lambs know my voice.

Sheep Separated from Goats​

Matt 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divided his sheep from the goats:


The word sheep here is very relevant in that Jesus used it in other verses like My Sheep know my voice. A sheep is a full grow mature sheep.


Where on the other hand a goat or the Greek word (eriphos or kid; baby goat) So I see it as God separating his Sheep mature from His immature kids; spiritually speaking)

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But according to these bias translators God is going to send a baby goat to everlasting fire.

Matt 25:41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


God desires overcomers at the end of the book, not innocence.


I will address your other comments shortly. I love your comment on "types"