Hey guys,
This is a connection that many people fail to account to. Once you start going the Feminist route that leads to an excessive identification with one's own gender. To the point where some women in a feminist society will only interact with women have have relationships with them as opposed to men. Thereby, choosing the "lesbian lifestyle."
I fail to see how feminism leads women into choosing the "lesbian lifestyle". Lesbians might be more drawn to feminism, but I think you're mixing up causal factors.
Moreover, many of those women have Androphobia, where they see men as bad, and also they don't want to have anything to do with Straight men. This Androphobia is spread out to the rest of society where men are portrayed as evil, dangerous or stupid.
Androphobia? Misandry? I am someone who has a very negative opinion about feminism, yet I have never taken the idea that feminists actually hate men very seriously. Most feminist women are heterosexual. They like men, they're attracted to men. I do agree with you that the idea that men are dangerous, and evil is very prominent in feminist thought. Still.. I do not see this as coming from a heart of hate, but simply many modern women finding modern men boring.
A lot of negative feminist rhetoric about men in my eyes is largely an attempt by women to find men more psychologically appealing... to spice us up.
Bob from IT who likes to talk about his dog and the latest Call of Duty game, might be a little more interesting with the backdrop in a woman's mind that he might just someday snap and drag her into the employee bathroom against her will.
While statistically unlikely, I do think a lot of feminist women find it fun to toy with these fears. Most diehard feminist women I have interacted with strike me as a particularly masochistic/hyper feminine lot. Who invertedly scare other women into fearing men more than they should. I know a few women who used to be into the feminist lifestyle, who say that it was a healing process to shed away from such thinking. Even worse, some feeling pressured by their female therapists to not heal from things like being raped. That to some extent they should always stay in that traumatized mindset. Like I said before, I harbor very negative opinions about feminism and a real talk about this subject will go into very dark subject matters.
Unlike what some Liberals think that women in such societies would create, "Sexual Abundance" towards them. Its the opposite, those societies have, "Sexual Scarcity" hence the "Incel Phenomenon." Where some women in those "fear men" and it causes many guy/incels to have no relationships..etc.
I think a major issue is that women are increasingly becoming more educated than men. A mix of blue-collar men and professional women is not going to mesh well. It is what it is though. As an egalitarian who prefers a woman who works, I certainly don't want to turn back the clock and force women into the kitchen.
Now, I'm not identifying with anyone and saying, "Incels are justified" rather I'm pointing it out, that it seems that in such a society where gender relations are poor something along those lines would happen.
What do you guys think?
Like feminism, I think many people in the incel community are phony. I've lurked in those circles in the past, and many of these "incels" actually have sex and women interested in them. Most of the complaints seem to stem from jealousy with the "Chads" who attract a lot of attention from women. Not that they don't actually get any.
Masochism is a theme I've noticed in incel circles as well. There are actual fetishes revolving around being ignored and rejected by women. Judging by some of the memes and discussions in that community, I'd say part of the population there leans that way. While I never identified as an incel myself, I do find it addicting to talk about how women do not like short men (as a short man myself). As someone who has an ignored/rejected kink myself.. I know such mindsets are real, and there is no..
no way a community like inceldom hasn't been infiltrated by such men.
In the past I have claimed and complained that I couldn't get a woman before, it was a flat out lie. I don't view myself as a Chad, but many people think I have very good facial aesthetics, so I've never had an issue getting cute women. I was just drawn to an aspect of me that was a flaw masculinity wise and blew it out of proportion. I've since tried to shy away from such thinking, but I do understand it.. and know it's a factor for at least some "incels".
I've also noticed a lot of racial issues from incel communities. A lot of black male on black female (and vice vera) hate. East Asian men with their high neotenous features, complaining about not being viewed as masculine. As a white man, I cannot relate to my race being a real hinderance, but I do find some of the discussions between those sub-communities interesting and eye opening.
When one talks about incels.. I don't really think of a singular thing... but a hodgepodge of interesting characters and dynamics. I think a lot of what we see about incels in mainstream media is pretty shallow and tainted by their own personal politics.
