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lol. The burden of proof is always on the one making the claims. That would be you.
You did. I am still waiting for your response here.
No glory yet.
Poor analogy; Lazarus dying was not an example of evil. Evil is what Hitler did. Evil is what Amin and Stalin did. When people ask why God doesnt stop evil, they mean the atrocities that occasionally happen that any decent human being would stop if they could. A natural death is not evilHello gottservant,
God is omniscient therefore little room exists for assumptions. Correct?
I still say there is a greater purpose for allowing evil to exists, whether natural or human. In the case of Lazarus from the perspective of Mary and Martha, they could of questioned Jesus, doubted, or lost faith. Why God do you allow evil to occur and do not intervene on my behalf for my benefit in my timing?
Are you telling me you dont see a problem with what Hitler, Stalin, Amin did? I've got a feeling you do.Call me simple, I don't see a problem of evil.
Reminds me of a comic strip I saw once, where a man was reading the newspaper & saying "Why doesn't God stop the murders in schools?" & a lady replied, "Didn't you know? God isn't allowed in schools anymore."
Poor analogy; Lazarus dying was not an example of evil. Evil is what Hitler did. Evil is what Amin and Stalin did. When people ask why God doesnt stop evil, they mean the atrocities that occasionally happen that any decent human being would stop if they could. A natural death is not evil
Are you telling me you dont see a problem with what Hitler, Stalin, Amin did? I've got a feeling you do.
K
No. For that to be binding one would have to enter into one of your arguments voluntarily and knowingly. As stated in clause "a" of your literary contract: I am here only according to my own volition.
Shout Glory
Suffering and evil is good. Why would God need or want to stop it?
Poor analogy. The only reason the king merits greater punishment of an offender than the same offence committed against a servant is because if the king is harmed, everybody in the kingdom is affected. If I commit an offence against you, and God chooses to be offended by my crime against you; nobody else is affected by my offence except you and God. A better analogy would be the crime against a rich man vs the same crime against a poor man which should merit the same punishment.Thought I'd chime in on the whole issue of "Eternal Punishment for Non-eternal sins".
Having been a Christian, the answer given me was that guilt is proportional not only to the offence, but also to the offended party's status. Since God is infinitely great the punishment will be infinite.
This isn't such a bad concept in that it is seen somewhat on a lighter scale in society. For example: An offence committed against a king merits greater punishment than the same offence being done against a servant.
Poor analogy. The only reason the king merits greater punishment of an offender than the same offence committed against a servant is because if the king is harmed, everybody in the kingdom is affected. If I commit an offence against you, and God chooses to be offended by my crime against you; nobody else is affected by my offence except you and God. A better analogy would be the crime against a rich man vs the same crime against a poor man which should merit the same punishment.
The idea that an eternal being should merit more punishment than the same crime against a temporary being is IMO backwards. A person who has only a limited time to live has less time to get over the crime than someone who lives forever. The eternal being should merit less punishment if anything
Ken
I dont think most people take issue with Jesus, IMO Jesus was a very moral man; Most of the complaints come from the God of the Old Testament. It appears the behavior and decisions of Jesus is much different than that of the Gof of the Old Testament.Sorry, I can't say that there is a way for me to feel comfortable with condemning the world for acting as the world. I mean many of the arguments here center around Christian belief and behavior. Why criticize people for going against the teachings of Christ if one opposes Christ?
The world is the world. God gave us the way out through His only beloved Son. Men reject that and it is there own free will.
Lastly, you're right. There are two evils in the world: natural and human. The natural evil in the world in that story could be death. The human evil in that story could be seen as one of delay. It is only the perspective of an unbeliever in that context that I explored, that is, how one could find fault, criticism, and condemnation against Jesus -- God for His decision.
Now, will someone Shout Glory
There is one common question which is often posed as an objection to God's omnibenevolence and that is the question: "why does God not prevent or stop the evil in the world?"
"Why does God not stop all the child molestors and rapists and murderers, why does God not stop this or prevent that or do this or that...."
These types of questions, surprisingly are raised by many atheists. But I find it ironic that the few instance in which we see God acting to stop and to prevent such heinous acts in the Bible, these same objectors claim that God was wrong in in stopping these people!
On one hand, God is blamed for tolerating evil, and on the other hand when He is shown to act in judgment on people who commit such atrocities, He is branded as being a murderer and genocidal!
If there were known to us today, to be civilizations and societies in existence that behaved the way the Canaanites, Amorites and Amalekites, did in making it a regular practice to offer their newborn babies and young children on fiery pagan altars to gods, atheists would be among the many to cry out: "If God exists, then why does He not stop these atrocities!"
Yet, in cases where it is clear that this was happening, when God does act, He is judged as being a genocidal murderer!
It seems to me that the qualm with God is not that He does not act to judge sin, but that He indeed does exist and holds us morally accountable for our sins. It is evidently clear, that in some people's eyes (those who lack belief in God) that whatever God does, He fails to meet their moral standards. Which is ironic, for if there is no objective moral standard, then all we have is opinions, none being any closer to the non-existent standard than any other. And the opinion that God was somehow wrong in ordering the children to be killed is no closer to adhering to this non-existent moral standard than the opinion that God, since He is the author and giver of life, was justified in taking that life.
So what is the objection?
The idea that an eternal being should merit more punishment than the same crime against a temporary being is IMO backwards. A person who has only a limited time to live has less time to get over the crime than someone who lives forever. The eternal being should merit less punishment if anything
Ken
The domino-effect may last forever, but the crime itself is finite. All of our decisions will have a domino-effect. You don't punish someone for the domino-effect, just the crime.I thought the same but there is no such thing as a finite sin or crime. If I murder someone who later would produce children and grand-children etc. The murder has a domino-effect that continues indefinitely into the future.
So how is this making your case that crimes against an infinite person merit infinite punishment, and crimes against a finite person merits temporary punishment?Ken,
My point was that events in time are infinite in consequences. All events within time are unbounded events, meaning they create streams of cascading consequences which fan out from each event.
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