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I'm sorry, first I've seen this...So, if I can prove this,,,clearly without question,,will you confess UR?
I'll do it anyway....I'll start a thread on it tomorrow.
Originally Posted by Tavita
LOL!.. I'm not yelling at anyone. Sure you're not imagining things?
I think this person has you confused with someone else
Geesh,,, we've been through this simple logic before that even ET'ers don't bring it up..
and by the way....who created Satan in the first place?
I don't know, man, maybe if you changed your mood...it might help. Confusion is definitly not of God. But then that is the very definitiuon of Babylon aint it? Confusion and mixture. Uncertainty of voices....where even Eternity is brought down to the base concepts of the carnal mind.
Think about...there is still TIME. Eternity: never had a beginning, will never end...which can only be God and His Life. All else is of a "time" element and temporal.
Oh I see, how dishonest, you can't write any answers for yourself out of the Bible, brinny, but bring up a well known internet site and an article written by a well known very anti, very hostile (against Universalism) person by the name of Matt Slick. I don't know how many times this has happened in this forum in the last year.
I would suppose that Matt Slick took quite awhile to write this article and you expect us to answer all these different aspects of the doctrine in his article in rebuttal in one night. Oh yeah. Get back to you in a couple of weeks, brinny.....
If this person had his way, he would bring back burning people at the stake, boiling people in water, ripping bowels out on a rolling pin, ect...
Sad the attitude eternal torture has created in people. If not for secular law, he would be lighting the flames why praising God....I guess we should be thankful for secular law...we would be on the rack now without it.
but if God is not nice.....we deserve it....
Tav, do you want the stake or to be boiled....I claim beheading, so you can't have that one...If they drown you, you may be dead, but at least
you'll be innocent.
It really shows how sick the concept is and what it does to people.
What is UR?
Been there, done that. My beliefs used to line up with theirs as well.
Originally Posted by TavitaCan you also show me where in Genesis God declared that the consequences for sin is an endless torment?
Originally Posted by brinnyDid you mean that you don't know about the curse that was imposed on His creation in the Garden of Eden before Adam and Eve, were not politely asked to leave, they were driven out. Death had begun. Separation from God had commenced. They were at satan's mercy now. Only thing is, he ain't got none. Remember what God said about the woman's seed crushing the serpent's head? Did you read Revelations?
Originally Posted by TavitaWhat did He say was the consequence for sin? You tell me...
Originally Posted by brinnyeternal separation from God and to be put in a prison of sorts with satan and his minions ......it ties into why Jesus the Christ died a death that He sweat as it were, drops of blood in the Garden of Gethsemane about.
Consequences of sin? Are you saying there are none? That Christ died for nought??? That it's not a big deal to a holy God that sin permeates His creation?
Frankly, since Matt Slick doesn't welcome the universal redemption perspective over there on his forums, I don't find myself inspired to entertain his perspectives here in this one. NEXT!
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Been there, done that. My beliefs used to line up with theirs as well.
It would seem that, since Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, Satan's direct role in dealing with people can itself be an act of mercy unto salvation:1 Corinthians 5:5 "I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
She was, in her question just before this one. In other words, can you show us anywhere in the OT (not just Genesis) where God declared that the consequences for sin is an endless torment?
It would seem that it is Christian Partialism which has Christ dying for naught, if only a scant few out of all the people who ever existed are effectively saved by His sacrifice on the cross.
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That's just short for "Universal Redemption" or "Universal Reconciliation".
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Read Hunter's signature again. You realize what you are saying, do you not?
Why do you believe that?
Universal Redemption? What does that mean? When i see that, it draws my atttention to Hunter's signature again.....and the dangers of cheapening and mis-representing Jesus the Christ's death on the cross and what it was for. And mocking God, as if He's not holy, and it's not necessary to take Him tooo seriously....Frankly, since Matt Slick doesn't welcome the universal redemption perspective over there on his forums, I don't find myself inspired to entertain his perspectives here in this one. NEXT!
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Because the "U" is for "Universal", and the "R" is for "Reconciliation".
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Universal Redemption? What does that mean? When i see that, it draws my atttention to Hunter's signature again.....and the dangers of cheapening and mis-representing Jesus the Christ's death on the cross and what it was for. And mocking God, as if He's not holy, and it's not necessary to take Him tooo seriously....
do you realize what Universal Redemption sounds like??
Who's Hunter?
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Originally Posted by brinny
Universal Redemption? What does that mean? When i see that, it draws my atttention to Hunter's signature again.....and the dangers of cheapening and mis-representing Jesus the Christ's death on the cross and what it was for. And mocking God, as if He's not holy, and it's not necessary to take Him tooo seriously....
do you realize what Universal Redemption sounds like??
First I'd like to know who Hunter is. Who's Hunter?
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Universal Redemption? What does that mean? When i see that, it draws my atttention to Hunter's signature again.....and the dangers of cheapening and mis-representing Jesus the Christ's death on the cross and what it was for. And mocking God, as if He's not holy, and it's not necessary to take Him tooo seriously....
do you realize what Universal Redemption sounds like??
Originally Posted by brinny
Universal Redemption? What does that mean? When i see that, it draws my atttention to Hunter's signature again.....and the dangers of cheapening and mis-representing Jesus the Christ's death on the cross and what it was for. And mocking God, as if He's not holy, and it's not necessary to take Him tooo seriously....
do you realize what Universal Redemption sounds like??
Wait.. Got it ... you meant Hunting Man. I need more coffee.
Okay, now to your question:
Yes, I used to have a signature that responded to HuntingMan's (and many others') notion of what they call "cheap grace". God's grace isn't to be called "cheap" just because He winds up 100% successful in His intended mission (shock of all shockers... He's only God after all, lol!) to save the entire world. If Adam, in his feeble humanity, could impute sin and death on all of us, why would anyone dare to think that God, in His Divine power, can't do just as well in reconciling the entire world back to Him again?!
Now: Do you, as a partialist, realize what you're saying, by essentially suggesting that Adam was better at imputing sin and death onto the world than God will be in redeeming it?
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