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Why does God leave no tracks?

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You are infected by the 'science' plague. That's why the question.

God has a reason to hide behind because we are all bound to a covenant which humans need faith to be saved. To put it another way, if God leaves tracks for humans then humans won't be able to be saved legitimately at all.

So other than God showing up as a proof, what will be the next most efficient way available for His truth to be conveyed among humans? The answer is human witnessing. God has called upon His prophets and Israel as a whole to be His witnesses for the Bible to be written down for you to believe. There's no other way round that His truth can be revealed to you.

As for believers, God's spirit has been poured down to us that He can communicate with us in a way that unbelievers may deem 'imaginary'. Regardless that's how it works.

Satan on the other hand, will try his best to make you think that science is the most efficient way for you to reach God. But no, science is never and will never will be an efficient way for humans to reach any truth in this reality. It's just a delusion for you to deceive yourself.

You rely almost exclusively on human witnessing to reach a truth of any kind in this reality. A typical example is that you read daily news to get to know what happens to this world on a daily basis. It is a matter of trusting human witnessing that you will be able to get to any truth. And no human witnessing can be made more legitimate than those witnesses martyred themselves to bring the message out. That's the way how NT was written and conveyed.
 
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Bits and pieces from http://academictips.org/interesting-facts/40-interesting-facts-about-the-human-body/...

1. There are 70 trillion cells in the average human body. These cells need oxygen to react with sugar to give them energy to perform their function, or else they will die. A stroke is a result of poor blood flow that causes brain cells to die.
2. There are 60,000 miles of blood vessels in the average human body, enough to go around the world nearly three times.
3. The tooth is the only part of the human body that can’t repair itself.
4. The kidneys will filter around 1.3 liters of blood every minute.
5. The largest cell in the human body is the female egg and the smallest is the male sperm. Yet the human can turn into a spitting image of his father.
6. The brain operates on the same amount of power as a 10-watt light bulb.
7. There are nearly 46 miles of nerves in an adult’s body.
8. Everyone has a unique smell, except for identical twins, who smell the same. A bear's sense of smell can range out 20 miles. They can sense your unique smell and will search you out, if anything, because of sheer curiosity.
9. All babies are color blind at birth, they see only black and white.
7. Your body requires 1000-1500 calories per day just to simply survive: breathing, sleeping and eating.
8. The only part of your body that has no blood supply is the cornea in the eye. It gets its oxygen directly from air.
9. The brain can store as much as 1,000 terabytes of information.
10. Your lungs need a lot of breathing room. The total surface area of the lungs is approximately equal to the size of a tennis court.
11. The brain only makes up about 2% of the body but uses 20% of the oxygen that enters the bloodstream.
12 . Some 1,450 milliliters of blood circulate through the liver every minute, and during that time, the organ not only extracts wastes and toxic matter from the blood but also regulates overall blood volume.

The liver and the kidneys are important regulators of the chemistry that exists within the human body.
 
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God has a reason to hide behind because we are all bound to a covenant which humans need faith to be saved.

I don't think faith is a virtue. It's asking you to believe something without verifiable evidence. You likely require evidence before making major decisions in your life but when it comes to God, just have faith?

To put it another way, if God leaves tracks for humans then humans won't be able to be saved legitimately at all.

This sounds like wishful thinking. So God has to hide and then you are supposed to believe without evidence to be "saved"? I'm sorry, but that sounds like nonsense.

So other than God showing up as a proof, what will be the next most efficient way available for His truth to be conveyed among humans? The answer is human witnessing.

This is not an efficient way to get a message across because humans have biases and eye witness testimony is many times unreliable.

God has called upon His prophets and Israel as a whole to be His witnesses for the Bible to be written down for you to believe. There's no other way round that His truth can be revealed to you.

Well, the Gospels are not contemporary accounts. They were not written down until decades later and rely on oral reports passed down. Oral reports get changed dramatically over time. Have you ever played the game "Telephone" (Also known as Chinese Whispers). I could get a room of 50 people, tell a story to the first person and by the time we get to #50, the original story will be unrecognizable. Am I supposed to believe the stories in the Gospels when there are no contemporary and independent sources to corroborate them?

As for believers, God's spirit has been poured down to us that He can communicate with us in a way that unbelievers may deem 'imaginary'. Regardless that's how it works.

This is an argument from personal experience fallacy. There is no way for me to verify whether I am dealing with a deluded person or a genuine experience. And more importantly, how are you able to verify that for yourself? There are many people who claim to have been abducted by aliens. A very real personal experience for them. However, you have no way to verify whether they are delusional or their experience was absolutely genuine.

Satan on the other hand, will try his best to make you think that science is the most efficient way for you to reach God.

Science doesn't try to "reach God". It uses the scientific method to understand natural phenomenon. It's the most powerful tool ever devised. You know the computer you are typing on right now and the internet you are using to communicate with people on this site? The scientific method made that possible.

But no, science is never and will never will be an efficient way for humans to reach any truth in this reality. It's just a delusion for you to deceive yourself.

Science explains reality. It helps us understand how the natural world works. If you think science is some delusion and it's deceiving, then stop using your computer, stop logging onto the internet, don't use your cell phone, don't use GPS in your car, stop drinking clean water, stop using modern medicine, etc, etc, etc. To say science is a delusion is egregious. You benefit from it every single day.

You rely almost exclusively on human witnessing to reach a truth of any kind in this reality. A typical example is that you read daily news to get to know what happens to this world on a daily basis.

Except that we can get second, third, fourth, etc sources to verify what is happening in the news. The gospels are not contemporary and there are no contemporary and independent sources to back them up.
 
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Thanks, those are some interesting facts that I didn't know about. That is really interesting about the cornea breathing oxygen directly.

EDIT: The fact about the cornea makes me wonder about contact lenses. They would need to take care not to smother the cornea. I suppose the lenses float on the tears and the oxygen circulates in the tears. IDK... very interesting
 
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@JonFromMinnesota :


The only problem with this response, is that the Gospels were written by the actual apostles, or their helpers (under the direction of the apostles). John was there, and he wrote his own Gospel. A good chunk of the Epistles in the NT were written by either James, Jude, Peter, John, or Paul. Paul wasn't originally with Jesus, however Paul received a special invitation by Jesus Himself and he knew and talked with the original apostles.

This isn't some story that's been "passed down through 50 people".... true, it wasn't written directly after Jesus died and resurrected, however the gospels were written from either first or second-hand experiences from the original apostles. (The Tax Collector had a secretary who wrote his, IIRC)

EDIT: Also, just to add something... if Holy Spirit can inspire OT writers, then why do people doubt that Holy Spirit also inspired NT writers?

If you compare the Gospels, most of them are pretty consistent (there are a few tidbits that people think could have been added later in some of the re-translations, but none of these affect the core message much, if at all), and if you also compare the epistles along with the gospels, you'll find that what they teach very much agrees with one another. They all teach the same concepts, even if the gospels vary a little. The reason for that, is each gospel was aimed at a different group of people and each gospel focuses on one aspect of Him.
 
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The only problem with this response, is that the Gospels were written by the actual apostles, or their helpers (under the direction of the apostles).

What is your source for this? The gospel writers never identify themselves and do not claim to be eye witnesses. They are anonymous and educated Greek speakers.

A good chunk of the Epistles in the NT were written by either James, Jude, Peter, John, or Paul.

What is your source on this claim? There is only a scholarly consensus of Paul's authorship of Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians and Philemon. There is no consensus on Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus. Epistle to the Hebrews is anonymous.

Paul wasn't originally with Jesus, however Paul received a special invitation by Jesus Himself and he knew and talked with the original apostles.

Correct. Paul is writing about 20 years after the alleged events. His "special invitation" is in the form of a vision. I don't consider a vision convincing. The troubling thing about Paul is that he is writing at least a decade before the Gospels are written down but he never talks about Jesus' life, ministry, miracles, etc. It's as if he is unaware. This is supposed to be a recent event (Within 2 decades), yet nobody tells Paul.

This isn't some story that's been "passed down through 50 people".... true, it wasn't written directly after Jesus died and resurrected, however the gospels were written from either first or second-hand experiences from the original apostles.

What is your source for this claim? The gospel writers are entirely anonymous and don't claim to be eye witnesses. These are also highly educated Greek speaking writers. It is unlikely they are getting 2nd hand information from Aramaic speaking peasants.

EDIT: Also, just to add something... if Holy Spirit can inspire OT writers, then why do people doubt that Holy Spirit also inspired NT writers?

I don't believe any of the stories were inspired by a divine being. The stories are exactly what I would expect from uneducated peasants who had no idea about how the natural world worked.

If you compare the Gospels, most of them are pretty consistent (there are a few tidbits that people think could have been added later in some of the re-translations, but none of these affect the core message much, if at all)

I don't find them to be consistent at all. It makes no difference to me what the message is, I care about if it's true or not. I doubt that it is. I'll give one example and then turn it over to Bart Ehrman. According to Matthew, Jesus was born during the reign of Herod (Matthew 2:1) and Luke says that Jesus was born during the first census, while Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:2). This is impossible because Herod died in March of 4BC and the census took place in 6&7 AD, 10 years after Herod's death. This is an irreconcilable contradiction.

Also, there is a mistranslated "prophecy" in Isaiah 7:14. The Hebrew translation of Almah is "A young woman of childbearing age". Further, Jesus is never referred to as Immanuel. This verse has nothing to do with Jesus.

Further problems with the Gospels:
 
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I don't think faith is a virtue. It's asking you to believe something without verifiable evidence. You likely require evidence before making major decisions in your life but when it comes to God, just have faith?

You are brainwashed to think that things are verifiable.

History as a whole and as a type of truths is basically not verifiable. You are brainwashed with the so-called 'science' to think that everything should be verified before you believe. This however is never truth in reality.

Do black holes exist? 99% humans won't even bother to verify this. They swallow whatever is said. 99% humans don't even bother to verify whether the earth is actually revolving around the sun. Faith is basically what humans employ on a daily basis to reach truths of different kind, even in the case of science.

And since when you examine every piece of daily news broadcast by the media before you believe what they said! It's basically none. They present their witnessing from the reporters for you to swallow or not and with faith. That's how this reality works.

In a nutshell, you don't know what you are talking about. That's the situation.

You have a twisted world view because;

2 Corinthians 4:4 (NRSV)
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
 
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You are brainwashed to think that things are verifiable.

If all you have as an argument is an insult, then we have nothing to discuss.

History as a whole and as a type of truths is basically not verifiable.

Wrong. We use the historic method to determine the accuracy of events in the past. We use the scientific method to explain natural phenomenons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

You are brainwashed with the so-called 'science' to think that everything should be verified before you believe. This however is never truth in reality.

The definition of science is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. Hypothesis' in science are testable and repeatable. For example, I hypothesize that if I throw a 5 pound weight into a pool, it will sink. I can throw 100 five pound weights into a pool and they will all sink. I can now predict that the 101st weight that I throw into the pool will sink. I have now verified this fact.

Do black holes exist? 99% humans won't even bother to verify this. They swallow whatever is said.

The detection of gravitational waves back in September (and recently announced after 5 months of peer review) demonstrates that they do. It will be a Nobel Prize winning discovery.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016...nstein-s-ripples-spacetime-spotted-first-time

99% humans don't even bother to verify whether the earth is actually revolving around the sun.

We've known the earth orbits around the sun for hundreds of years. It's been repeatedly tested. If you subscribe to the geocentric model , then we have nothing to discuss.

Faith is basically what humans employ on a daily basis to reach truths of different kind, even in the case of science.

Um, no. If I told you that your significant other was cheating on you, would you have faith that I was telling you the truth or would you like to investigate for yourself in case I was mistaken? Science is not based on faith. Science deals with testable hypothesis'. We can test to see if our observations about the natural world are right or wrong.

In a nutshell, you don't know what you are talking about. That's the situation.

I don't? Could you demonstrate this by addressing my arguments instead of projecting?
 
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It would be difficult to identify a bacteria or plant as an extraterrestrial life. We would more than likely identify it as a new species, not having a sample from another planet to compare it to. So that would be problematic.

I cannot comment on the method of atonement drafted by racist, sexist men who regularly engaged in rape... since the people that I acknowledge having written the bible were not engaged in those kinds of behaviors.

You should care about a system of morality, whether it comes from God or from man, otherwise murder and rape could be legal some day, under so-called Christian or non-Christian governments.

Although there has been some changes and there are some inconsistencies, God will not allow His word to be so corrupted that you will not be able to find Him if you are a sincere searcher. If you are not a sincere searcher, you can get caught up in the whirlwind of criticism that will blind you and thwart your search. God is available, don't think for one moment that if you knock, God would not open wide His door and let you in.
 
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Infinity is merely a logical conclusion of a function of a set onto itself being injective but not surjective???? What book did you read this out of? Well it might be impressive if it were understandable by the normal person. Please explain in plain language. Thanks.

It is difficult to try to answer a question that is unanswerable. You would have to come face to face with the Creator and have that conversation with Him. I believe that when you meet Him you will be impressed with His knowledge of all aspects of scientific systems, from their intricate design, to their daily complex movements. I believe you will find that "tinkerer" would not adequately describe Him.

God is the ultimate scientist, He is omniscient, meaning He has all knowledge of science. You really should embrace Him. You would immediately love Him, if you could have just a few moments with Him alone.
 
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You said, "'Infinity', is something math has trouble dealing with sometimes. It's an abstract concept that is alien to a finite world such as ours." I'm not sure where you got this from, and I'm not sure why you can't just google the terms I'm using, but still I'll explain:

Injective
A function f:XY is injective if either for every y in Y there is a unique x in X such that f(x)=y or else there is no such x where f(x)=y.
In other words, imagine a bunch of archers in a castle named X, and a bunch of apologists in a castle named Y, and that each archer gets exactly one arrow which he must shoot. We have now described a function. In the case of a function being injective, every apologist gets hit by either zero arrows or one arrow.

Surjective
A function f:XY is surjective if for every y in Y there exists an x in X such that f(x)=y.
In other words, every apologist gets hit by at least one arrow, possibly more.

Now let's imagine that the archers shoot up into the air so the arrows rain down on themselves. If the arrows hit them in a way that is injective, but not surjective, then it follows that there are infinitely many archers.


It is difficult to try to answer a question that is unanswerable.

And finally, here it is. The admission that your worldview is either nonsensical or lacking in information. Tell us more about how you were criticizing the atheist worldview for the exact same thing.
 
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What is your source for this? The gospel writers never identify themselves and do not claim to be eye witnesses. They are anonymous and educated Greek speakers.

Things like sentence structure, "personality", etc. Compare Revelation with the Gospel of John and also 1 John and 2 John. You'll find that they use similar styles and personalities. Revelation outright says it was written by John while he was on the isle of Patmos.

In fact, that's the very method that they used to determine that Paul did not write Hebrews.


His "special invitation" was in the form of a vision, followed by 3 days of blindness, followed by a healing in front of other apostles and people close to the apostles.

Blindness is rather hard to fake and do it right. Anybody can tell you're faking blindness just by waving a hand in front of your face while you're not expecting it. There's certain reflexes that are incredibly difficult to suppress.


Just as I said above, John names himself in the Book of Revelation, and it is written in the same style. Also, John 21:21-24 tells you who wrote the book of John. "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things..."

Wouldn't you know it, the same style is used in the Book of Revelation. Revelation 1:1, Revelation 1:4, and Revelation 1:9 tells you who wrote it.

I don't believe any of the stories were inspired by a divine being. The stories are exactly what I would expect from uneducated peasants who had no idea about how the natural world worked.

I could bring up a number of things, like very intricate codes hidden in the text, or the fact that Daniel made a 500+ year prophecy that came true down to the very day (which can be verified by secular sources)... did an "uneducated peasant" do that, too?


It seems to me, that nations who do census for tax purposes normally does them every 10 or 12 years, and does them consistently. Is there any evidence that Rome only did one census? Or did they do a census in 6-7 AD, and also do a census 12 years prior to that in 4-5 BC? 4 BC is the agreed date by many scholars as to when Jesus was born and it would fit. It also fits with the prophecy in Daniel 9 and the account that Jesus was in his "early thirties" when He began his ministry (it would have made Him ~33-34).

Also, there is a mistranslated "prophecy" in Isaiah 7:14. The Hebrew translation of Almah is "A young woman of childbearing age". Further, Jesus is never referred to as Immanuel. This verse has nothing to do with Jesus.

The word in question, Strong's Hebrew:

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/haalmah_5959.htm

It can be used as "Virgin", or "young woman" or "maiden". Blue Letter Bible also adds this:


So.... trying to say that Almah can mean "non-virgin... there's no proof that word has ever been used in that way.

As for the video, I haven't had time to check it.

But so far... you haven't proved anything "irreconcilable". Now if you want, I could go through the whole thing about Daniel Chapter 9 and why it is smack on the money, down to the very day, some 500 years later and dispel the ludicrous jump-roping that people try to do to get around it.

EDIT: I forgot to reply about the name Emmanuel. When I'm online, I'm called Xalith. I use other names in other places. There's a person who calls me "hon" sometimes. There was another person who called me "handsome" two days ago (I'm like "eh... if you say so", lol). None of these are my actual given birth name, though.

Jesus is called a lot of things:

Jesus
Jesus Christ
Christ
The Lion of the Tribe of Judah
The Alpha and Omega
Emmanuel
Lord
Lord of Lords
King of Kings

I could go on and on.

Isaiah said that one of these titles would be "Emmanuel". It just so happened that Gabriel told Joseph and Mary to name the child Jesus (or, in Aramaic, "Yahshua" or "Yeshua" depending on who you ask). In Latin that would probably be "IESVS" or something similar. We transliterate that to "Jesus" in English.
 
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History as a whole and as a type of truths is basically not verifiable. You are brainwashed with the so-called 'science' to think that everything should be verified before you believe. This however is never truth in reality.
Something I realized is that history and paleontology CAN make predictions - even though they deal with the past. A paleontologist might predict that a certain type of fossil should exist or should not exist in a certain geological time. The prediction regards future discoveries of fossils.

The same is true of history. New historical data is discovered that either supports or weakens current predictions.
 
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This is incorrect. John is thought to be written around 90-95 A.D. The average life span in the 1st century is about 50 years. It is highly unlikely this is being written by an apostle. Modern scholars reject the idea that these are written by John.
Harris, Stephen L Understanding the Bible (Palo Alto: Mayfield, 1985) p. 355
Lindars, Edwards & Court 2000, p. 41-42

His "special invitation" was in the form of a vision, followed by 3 days of blindness, followed by a healing in front of other apostles and people close to the apostles.

Do you think it's reasonable to believe someone who says they have had a vision? Or is it only reasonable to do so if it confirms your biases? None of this is recorded by an independent sources.

What is more likely? That the laws of nature have been suspended in your favor and in a way that you approve of or have you made a mistake? Is it possible that Paul had a conversion disorder? This is treatable and the prognoses varies. Or do you think it's more likely that a miraculous healing occurred? Try to think rationally about this.

Just as I said above, John names himself in the Book of Revelation, and it is written in the same style. Also, John 21:21-24 tells you who wrote the book of John. "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things..."

Except this is contested by modern scholars as I mentioned above, with cited sources. Also, the teachings in the synoptic gospels are very different than what is recorded in John and scholars argue that it is not likely that there is any historical value in John's gospel.


If you'd like to discuss failed prophecy by Daniel, then open a new thread. I will debunk one right now and you can decide if you want to proceed.

Daniel 9:24-27 predicts the crucifixion of Jesus and the Antichrist, in which the Antichrist will enter a third temple and commit a blasphemous act. However, in Daniel 12, the Day of Judgement was supposed to happen 3 and a half years after Antiochus' persecution of the Jews in the 2nd Century BC. This would make Daniel a false prophet.

If you want to open a new thread discussing prophecy, this is the criteria I will ask you to adhere to:
1. It must be accurate
2. It must be in the Bible
3. It must be unambiguous- It cannot be biblical foreknowledge if multiple outcomes could fulfill the foreknowledge.
4. It must be improbable- The statements cannot be foreknowledge if it reasonably could be a pure guess. I need places, times, dates, names, etc.
5. It must be unknown. If a prediction is made based on an educated guess based on contemporary knowledge, it's not really a prophecy.

It seems to me, that nations who do census for tax purposes normally does them every 10 or 12 years, and does them consistently

What they don't do is require to return to your city of ancestry. This would be absurd and there is no recording anywhere to suggest this ever happened.

Is there any evidence that Rome only did one census? Or did they do a census in 6-7 AD, and also do a census 12 years prior to that in 4-5 BC?

The Romans were very good at recording their history. There is no record in Roman archives of any census taking place around the times you mention. You can do as many mental gymnastics as you want around this problem but the fact is that Matthew and Luke are not in agreement on when Jesus' birth took place. Another problem is there is no historical account of Herod slaughtering the innocents. It never happened.

It can be used as "Virgin", or "young woman" or "maiden". Blue Letter Bible also adds this:

Almah in Arabic Amah which means unspecified woman or a woman past puberty, regardless of sexual status) is a Hebrew word meaning a young woman of childbearing age who has not yet had a child, and who may be (but does not have to be) an unmarried virgin or a married young woman

So what you have is a vague "prophecy" that can be twisted into meaning whatever you want it to mean.

So.... trying to say that Almah can mean "non-virgin... there's no proof that word has ever been used in that way

Where did I say that it translated to "non virgin"? I said it translates to "Young woman"


That's a cool story and all but it doesn't address the issue. How many times is Jesus called "Emmanuel" in the New Testament? Answer: Zero.
 
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Don't forget that if you read the actual context, Isaiah is telling the king that the city will not be overtaken, and that the king may ask a sign to confirm this. The king declines, probably out of reverence for Deuteronomy 6:16, but Isaiah gives him a sign nonetheless: that an "almah" will be with child, name the child Immanuel, and that before the child knows right from wrong, the king's enemies would be vanquished. And somehow Jesus coming along 500 years later is supposed to be the fulfillment of this?



The author of Matthew is caught in a lie, and once someone is caught lying, it's over. If one thing is clear, it's that the author of Matthew did not foresee a future with a near 100% literacy rate and a printing press, and not only that but a future where even the printing press would become obsolete because ideas could be exchanged electronically.
 
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Is it possible that Paul had a conversion disorder? This is treatable and the prognoses varies. Or do you think it's more likely that a miraculous healing occurred? Try to think rationally about this.
Not being familiar with the term "conversion disorder", I looked it up. For anybody else who might be interested, here is what Wikipedia says. It sounds like a very plausible explanation for Paul's experience on the road to Damascus. It is also possible that the story in Acts is fictional or wildly exaggerated by years of retelling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_disorder
 
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Nihilist Virus says:
And finally, here it is. The admission that your worldview is either nonsensical or lacking in information. Tell us more about how you were criticizing the atheist for the exact same thing.


To answer you, I must confess that creationists do not have all the answers to these unanswerable questions.

Science does not have all the answers either. Only to talk to some scientists, you would think they had witnessed the formation of the earth and the development of plants and animals and humans. You would think they know what they are talking about. They don't. It's all theory, some better than others but still 90% theory (and that's being generous).

So where do we go from here? Where do we retreat to?

I have the pleasure of retreating to the arms of a loving, omniscient Superior Being, who I believe knows what it takes to start an earth and life upon it. I have to have faith, however, because God has not chosen to reveal all He knows, but I have faith that one day I will learn from Him how He creates, so that one day I can also create.

You on the other hand, can retreat nowhere. Once you are finally dissatisfied with all the theories, where do you turn? You too must have faith, faith in science. However, your faith in science has to be 1,000 times more burdensome than my faith in a Superior Being. Faith in man or faith in God, it is a lot easier to have faith in God.
 
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You see, the key element of design is redesign. We did not go from the first telephone to the modern cell phone by gradually modifying the old one. We have at several points completely redesigned it from scratch. Where do we see that in the animal kingdom? Could you tell me why you have instructions in the cells of your toenails that describe how to create an eye? It's because the vast majority of life on earth up to this point has been single-celled life, and in a single-celled organism it is necessary to copy all DNA at once. The procedure by which DNA is copied has been refined through processes of evolution over trillions of generations to the point that it cannot start over from scratch like we did with the telephone. We are stuck with what we have. If God was an intelligent designer, why did he create this fundamental process of life to be so inefficient in multi-cellular organisms?


Science does not invent fictions. It does not make claims that it cannot support without concrete evidence. Every single one of your fantastical claims is supported by nothing at all.
 
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Before you lie too much. Why don't you just show us how science can determine what an ancient figure has said and done?

How someone 2000 years ago did and said be example by science.

Would you briefly describe?

What can be examined is that large scale activities such as a war can be with a scene preserved by a fluke. An example is that a city was buried by an accidental earthquake that this left certain trace for you to examine what could possibly happened during that time. But still first of all, you need to base on a second handed document to begin with. A second handed document suspected to be with contents written down that time for you to examine in the preserved scene to make a guess at best of what could possibly happened.

Let me ask you this question, how many war scenes have ever occurred in human history and how many spots have left trails for you to examine using your science?

And what's all this do with the record accounts of writing about what was said and done by an ancient figure? Do you mean that a preserved spot has recorded down his voice?

You are completely out of reality and being fed up with the scientific plague. That's what it is.
 
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The point people often mistakenly applied is what Archaeology can do. Archaeology is all about a preserved location for one to study the culture of humans or large scale activities could possibly occur there. First, in comparing to human history as a whole only few spots can be well preserved (usually by a fluke) for examination. And second, Archaeology can never be used to examine history in majority especially the part about what an ancient figure had said and done (Archaeology is thought to be the god that when you examine a spot that you can know automatically what one has said 2000 years ago).

The term Archaeology is like a plague to them to think that everything in history can be examined but in reality 99.99% of written history cannot be examined by Archaeology. Plus that written history is only 0.0000001% of events concerning humans in history. Humans wrote history only for an event or a figure is considered famous enough. These writings may not be well preserved and maintained till the point when paper was invented.

What we read today are those writings we believe with faith that they were well transplanted from ancient scrolls to papers.
 
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