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There is no "must" and there is no "forced". Thats why its free.If A is better than B
And if God must choose the better option
Then God is forced to choose A
I don't see how you've made any distinction at all.
Okay, let's simplify then. What need do we have...here and now...of God?I do not think your point holds. I do not even think your point or question are making sense.
Okay, then create us and go away, we don't need you.To exist, for example.
Thats not how it works. Our reality exists only because God keeps it together.Okay, then create us and go away, we don't need you.
Sure it is.But thats not the topic of this thread.
According to you it's all for the greater good. But for someone who's destined to spend eternity in hell "the greater good" rings rather hollow. We're expected to suffer unimaginable torment...forever...just so that you and God can cast us aside and forget about us. Somehow that just doesn't seem all that benevolent.Thats not how it works. Our reality exists only because God keeps it together.
But thats not the topic of this thread.
Uh, there is a "must" so there is a "forced". God can't do anything but choose the best options.There is no "must" and there is no "forced". Thats why its free.
God chooses the best options voluntarily. Also humans choose options voluntarily, but they make mistakes.
Who God chose to create knowing full well what effect his decision to make a being like the Devil.We are made perfect, and the Devil will try to mess that up.
Then why punish us with suffering if we are doing what he built us to do?Being created with a free will able to fulfill HIS purpose of entering a heavenly marriage with HIM or to rebuke HIM as a liar and a false god WAS our perfection.
I do not say that every individual will have the best possible life (in the meaning of being the most pleasurable).According to you it's all for the greater good. But for someone who's destined to spend eternity in hell "the greater good" rings rather hollow. We're expected to suffer unimaginable torment...forever...just so that you and God can cast us aside and forget about us. Somehow that just doesn't seem all that benevolent.
We are running in circles.Uh, there is a "must" so there is a "forced". God can't do anything but choose the best options.
There's nothing wrong with the language.We are running in circles.
I have to repeat again that you are mistaken by the language. "Can not" does not mean "must" or "is forced".
Can not, in this context, means that he can not err. Therefore His choices are perfect, but they are not forced any more than you are forced to participate in this thread.
This could only be true if God defined people’s suffering as his standard of perfection. And that’s all well and good if you want to worship a deity that mandates suffering as part of perfection- more power to you.Our ability to make a free will choice was our perfection, not the results of our free will choice.
You miss my point. Free will in the absence of suffering is the state of affairs in Heaven: correct?By "world" I mean the whole creation, the universe of things. Not just this planet.
Heaven as such is not the whole creation.
Then from God’s perspective we don’t have free will. Our unpredictability is only from our human perspective. To God we are like characters on a stage where he wrote the script and the plot?Our will is free, but predictable, based on causes and inclinations. There is no true randomness or unpredictability in our will.
The unpredictability of our choices is only from our human perspective, because we cannot see the future yet and we do not understand our past properly. Its too complex for us.
No, your use of language is not fine, because you end with stronger terms than you start with.There's nothing wrong with the language.
His choices are perfect because they must be perfect. He can't make any choice that is not the perfect choice. He therefore must make the perfect choice.
One cannot do anything other than X
One must do X
These phrases are identical in meaning. Language works just fine.
Depends on the definition of free will, as always.Then from God’s perspective we don’t have free will. Our unpredictability is only from our human perspective. To God we are like characters on a stage where he wrote the script and the plot?
We can choose to ad lib but if we do we go to Hell?
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