Why does God allow evil to exist on Earth?

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

Very true.

You know you just committed a sin against atheism by calling it a "belief". I mean, if you are going to be an atheist, young man, be a good one!

Now straighten up. You are slumping in your chair. When are you EVER going to clean this room? Is your homework done?

(I have a 16 year old son. He is the sweetest creature on planet earth, and I mean that sincerely. My daughter was a living terror at this age, but my son has not given me a moments worry.)

Lisa

A belief in not believing in anything is a belief none the less . I
m not close with my parents, i rarely enter my room. Im usually out with friends or at parties i only do philosophy on my free time usually on weekdays. If you were my parent im sure you would die from worrying.

 

[Upisoft]

You know you just committed a sin against atheism by calling it a "belief".

That's not sin. Everyone believes. Including those that believe they don't believe in anything.

 

[Lisa0315]

A belief in not believing in anything is a belief none the less . I
m not close with my parents, i rarely enter my room. Im usually out with friends or at parties i only do philosophy on my free time usually on weekdays. If you were my parent im sure you would die from worrying.

Well, I hope your parents are proud of that great mind of yours. (Either a great mind or you have a gift of BS, not sure yet, LOL!)

Worry did not kill me with my daughter. It was more like frustration and crazy anger that she had no regard for rules. She did not get into trouble, but she would just push my buttons. If her curfew was 12, she came home at 1. If her curfew was 3, she came home at 5. It was just really silly, and I mainly blame myself because I let it get to me so much. She is actually a dynamic young lady, very responsible. I am very proud of her, but she has always just pushed the limit of authority even when she was a small child.

Here is probably the funniest thing she ever did as an act of rebellion:

So we are arguing. She is probably around 12 or 13. I don't even remember now why we were arguing. She says, "You don't want a daughter! You want a puppy! You want me to sit up, shake hands, and roll over! Arf! Arf!" From that point on, for the next day or so, no matter what I said, all she would do was bark at me! Oh, Lord, I could have wrung her neck. Now, she is nearly 20, and if we disagree on anything, I will tell her, "Don't you start barking at me!" It never fails to make us both laugh now.

Anyway, I have enjoyed talking with you. Stay safe. Be wise. Don't do anything that could affect your future long-term. (I cannot help it. Once a Mom, always a Mom!)

Lisa

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

Well, I hope your parents are proud of that great mind of yours. (Either a great mind or you have a gift of BS, not sure yet, LOL!)

Worry did not kill me with my daughter. It was more like frustration and crazy anger that she had no regard for rules. She did not get into trouble, but she would just push my buttons. If her curfew was 12, she came home at 1. If her curfew was 3, she came home at 5. It was just really silly, and I mainly blame myself because I let it get to me so much. She is actually a dynamic young lady, very responsible. I am very proud of her, but she has always just pushed the limit of authority even when she was a small child.

Here is probably the funniest thing she ever did as an act of rebellion:

So we are arguing. She is probably around 12 or 13. I don't even remember now why we were arguing. She says, "You don't want a daughter! You want a puppy! You want me to sit up, shake hands, and roll over! Arf! Arf!" From that point on, for the next day or so, no matter what I said, all she would do was bark at me! Oh, Lord, I could have wrung her neck. Now, she is nearly 20, and if we disagree on anything, I will tell her, "Don't you start barking at me!" It never fails to make us both laugh now.

Anyway, I have enjoyed talking with you. Stay safe. Be wise. Don't do anything that could affect your future long-term. (I cannot help it. Once a Mom, always a Mom!)

Lisa

That is actually really funny.

 

[Gusoceros]

God is said to be all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, so why does he allow evil to exist on Earth?

Some of you may say evil exists because of our sins, others say its the devil, however, God is all powerful, so he should have the power to eliminate those things. Why won't he?

Many people say that evil exists on Earth as a punishment from God, so our all loving God kills innocent children and adults because of someone else's sin?

"Well, we all sin" Well, shouldn't our all knowing perfect God know that we would all sin when he created us? So why does he punish us for it?

Thank you! This should be a good debate.

God HAS defeated evil, and He is giving you to time to grab the life vest He threw you, if you want to.

What we have now is not part of the original plan-

G

 

[elman]

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If God did control our being loving or unloving it would not be us that is loving or unloving but God.

God is not a human being, He is 'spirit', the stuff that MOVES human beings ... and it moves most men to do evil as well as some to do good ,do you disagree with God's own prophets ??? e.g. :-

Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

Judges 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit...

1 Samuel 18:10 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God...

Yes!!! That is not from God and it is not a true teaching on the nature of God. God is good and loving. That would say God is evil which is the opposite of good and loving.

 

[elman]

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Because LOVE REQUIRES A FREEWILL!

No it does not. God is all powerful, he can change this and purge all destruction on earth.

If He purged all evil, all unloving beings, would you be purged?

An example of this is the people in North Korea. Is free will being taught as a child? Yes, it is, They can choose not to love the leader, but they don't.

None chose to not love their leader?

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

Of course they chose to love the leader. No outside force can tell you what to do. You are responsible so they are responsible. The people pushing love onto them are not responsible, the children are responsible for accepting. Your responsible for every action you take because no person has will over your "self". You are condemned to choose a choice.

 

[elman]

Of course they chose to love the leader. No outside force can tell you what to do. You are responsible so they are responsible. The people pushing love onto them are not responsible, the children are responsible for accepting. Your responsible for every action you take because no person has will over your "self". You are condemned to choose a choice.

The question was do any chose to not love their leader?

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

The question was do any chose to not love their leader?

They have the choice to choose not to love the leader. They dont accept it because they werent told they were given a choice to choose not to love their leader. If they choose to love their leader they also have a choice not too, if it wasnt a choice then it would be a condemnation, and sadly only freedom and life are condemnations.

 

[elman]

They have the choice to choose not to love the leader. They dont accept it because they werent told they were given a choice to choose not to love their leader. If they choose to love their leader they also have a choice not too, if it wasnt a choice then it would be a condemnation, and sadly only freedom and life are condemnations.

I am not understanding any of that. I tend to think they don't have a choice because they know the consequences of chosing to not love the leader would be dire.

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

I am not understanding any of that. I tend to think they don't have a choice because they know the consequences of chosing to not love the leader would be dire.

They can choose to love him, and they also have the choice not to love him. They choose to love him because they havent been told they have a choice.

 

[elman]

They can choose to love him, and they also have the choice not to love him. They choose to love him because they havent been told they have a choice.

First of all I suspect there are some who do not love him. Secondly if you don't know you have a choice then what you are doing you are doing because you think you have no choice, not because you chose to do it.

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

First of all I suspect there are some who do not love him. Secondly if you don't know you have a choice then what you are doing you are doing because you think you have not choice, not because you chose to do it.

they havent realized they have a choice because they have failed to realize they are responsible. They are havent realize they have been condemned to be free and to choose choices with full responsiblity on them. Im sure many are aware and dont love him, but they choose to not make the choice of revealing their hate(or dislike) because they are scared of the consequences. They may not realize it but they are responsible, and they may not realize it but they have the choice not to love him, they just need to be told by someone. If they make the choice not to listen then thats their choice. They are responsible.

 

[quatona]

First of all I suspect there are some who do not love him. Secondly if you don't know you have a choice then what you are doing you are doing because you think you have not choice, not because you chose to do it.

But... I have told you dozens of times that I think I have no choice, and you keep telling me that I am choosing nonetheless....

 

[Lisa0315]

But... I have told you dozens of times that I think I have no choice, and you keep telling me that I am choosing nonetheless....

But...you are choosing. You choose to believe that faith requires reason, when faith only requires, well, faith. The reason and evidence comes later...

Lisa

 

[elman]

But... I have told you dozens of times that I think I have no choice, and you keep telling me that I am choosing nonetheless....

I am chosing to think you know you do have a choice but are in denial of it based on some philosophical assumption.

 

[elman]

they havent realized they have a choice because they have failed to realize they are responsible. They are havent realize they have been condemned to be free and to choose choices with full responsiblity on them. Im sure many are aware and dont love him, but they choose to not make the choice of revealing their hate(or dislike) because they are scared of the consequences. They may not realize it but they are responsible, and they may not realize it but they have the choice not to love him, they just need to be told by someone. If they make the choice not to listen then thats their choice. They are responsible.

I don't know how responsible someone is for what they do out of fear of the consequences. I think that varies based on the circumstances.

 

[quatona]

But...you are choosing. You choose to believe that faith requires reason, when faith only requires, well, faith. The reason and evidence comes later...

What makes you think I choose this? (And what does "choose" exactly mean when you use it here, in the first place)?

 

[quatona]

I am chosing to think you know you do have a choice but are in denial of it based on some philosophical assumption.

And I am determined to think you know you have no choice but are determined to be in denial of this fact.