Why does God allow evil to exist on Earth?

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

But... I have told you dozens of times that I think I have no choice, and you keep telling me that I am choosing nonetheless....

You always have a choice. Life is a choice of phenomena. I ve told you a dozen times you think you have no choice, but you choose to think you dont have a choice. Your choosing to deny the fact you have a condemnation of choice. You are your choices.

 

[quatona]

You always have a choice. Life is a choice of phenomena. I ve told you a dozen times you think you have no choice, but you choose to think you dont have a choice. Your choosing to deny the fact you have a condemnation of choice. You are your choices.

That´s all nice and circular - but do you have to offer anything in support of this your opinion?

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

That´s all nice and circular - but do you have to offer anything in support of this your opinion?

I cant prove anything when you dissallow yourself to logical evidence and deny it with faith.

 

[quatona]

I cant prove anything when you dissallow yourself to logical evidence and deny it with faith.

Could you please repeat the "logical evidence" you have provided? Sorry, I must have missed it.

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

Reread.

 

[quatona]

Reread.

Post #?

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

oh there are numbers? We learn something new every day >.>. Why are we arguing in 2 differant threads about the same thing? Just go to the other one.

 

[elman]

And I am determined to think you know you have no choice but are determined to be in denial of this fact.

 

[quatona]

oh there are numbers? We learn something new every day >.>.

Yes, the post number is in the upper left corner of each post. Makes it easy to point to a particular post.

Why are we arguing in 2 differant threads about the same thing?

Because we were determined to do so.

Just go to the other one.

Ok, let´s move there.

 

[quatona]

I am chosing to think you know you do have a choice but are in denial of it based on some philosophical assumption.

Then again, this is the philosophy forum, and not the "what my immediate perception suggests" forum.

 

[elman]

Then again, this is the philosophy forum, and not the "what my immediate perception suggests" forum.

So you are saying if we are to do philosophy we have to ignor what we see to be the facts?

 

[quatona]

So you are saying if we are to do philosophy we have to ignor what we see to be the facts?

No, this is not what I am saying.

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

No, this is not what I am saying.

Philosophy is like facts, but with no set definition to those facts. Alterations of those facts can be made. MMMMMMMM.

 

[quatona]

Philosophy is like facts, but with no set definition to those facts..

Whatever that might mean...

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

Whatever that might mean...

I hate you haha. Its a fact that can be altered. More like theorums i guess.

 

[quatona]

I hate you haha. Its a fact that can be altered. More like theorums i guess.

You mean something that is like a fact, except that it isn´t a fact (that it can not be arbitrarly altered is exactly what makes a fact a fact, after all)?
But I think I know what you mean. Theorems, assumptions, axioms are necessary part of philosophy. And we have to make sure we have some common ground. I am completely fine with elman axiomatically assuming that there is something like "free will". If, however, wanting to discuss if that is a valid concept he would have to do more than say "I like the idea, and I interprete things that way."
Anyways, philosophy, just as science, tries to go beyond face value, and both often question the validity of face value. "This oasis must exist because I can see it." is not really a compelling or impressive argument when the question is "Could that be a fata morgana?"

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

It exists as long as you believe it exists and when your shown it doesnt exist by someone who knows it doesnt exist then you also lose your perception of it existing. We are not only conscious of things that are there, but also of things that are not there. If i walk into a bar looking for a friend and he is not there the first comes to my mind is; My friend is not here, i dont include the fact that i am at the bar which is there, i am only aware of a non-existent fact that my friend is not there.....Thus when told it exists you say; It is no longer existent you arent concerned about it existing but only at the fact that it is not there.

I think i TOTALLY drove off the road in which you were talking about, i just linked it to your statement....>.>

 

[elman]

No, this is not what I am saying.

So what are you saying about our perceptions?

 

[quatona]

So what are you saying about our perceptions?

If you´d be so kind and reread the post in question...

 

[elman]

If you´d be so kind and reread the post in question...

Originally Posted by quatona
Then again, this is the philosophy forum, and not the "what my immediate perception suggests" forum.

I reread it. Now what are you saying about our perceptions?