Why does God allow evil to exist on Earth?

[loudatheist101]

yes - but dad cant control your will

DAD IS ALL POWERFUL! What do you mean he "Can't control your will"? He can't not do anything! He is all powerful. (Assuming He was real)

 

[enjolras]

Hasn't anyone ever told you - the only thing "dad" cant do is change free will! he could heal my bros son, yet he cant change my bro from turning his back and not listening to him. And he wont heal - could you imagine what would happen then - chaos!

 

[Squeejie]

evil exists in this world, because we have created it. it is an unfortunate side effect of having creativity and free will. people can try to argue the point that there is or isn't a god,but what it all boils down to is that it's moot argument. it will always end in "Prove it" and then followed up by a "well this ancient book says it's true"

 

[loudatheist101]

evil exists in this world, because we have created it. it is an unfortunate side effect of having creativity and free will. people can try to argue the point that there is or isn't a god,but what it all boils down to is that it's moot argument. it will always end in "Prove it" and then followed up by a "well this ancient book says it's true"

Well, I go with thoeries that have scientific evidence you can actually see. Saying your god is "love", is like us saying, "Natural selection is everywhere, natrual selection is love". Good and bad are just things of chance. Sometimes good things happen, other times misrable things happen. No god decides if it does or not.

Assuming your god actually did exist however, he manages to create a heaven, where no babies are brutelly murdered and burned, no poverty, no natural disasters and killers, no etc. Why does he bother to create a world thats so messed up, yet he also makes one automatically perfect. Those people in Heaven can;t sin, are they "robots"? Are the not creative? They look pretty happy to me too. Assuming it all existed.

 

[loudatheist101]

Well, I go with thoeries that have scientific evidence you can actually see. Saying your god is "love", is like us saying, "Natural selection is everywhere, natrual selection is love". Good and bad are just things of chance. Sometimes good things happen, other times misrable things happen. No god decides if it does or not.

Assuming your god actually did exist however, he manages to create a heaven, where no babies are brutelly murdered and burned, no poverty, no natural disasters and killers, no etc. Why does he bother to create a world thats so messed up, yet he also makes one automatically perfect. Those people in Heaven can;t sin, are they "robots"? Are the not creative? They look pretty happy to me too. Assuming it all existed.

Well, I have to go for now, see you all tommowow!

 

[loudatheist101]

One more thing I forgot to menion is, we all have to understand that this world is surely fudged up, and all we humans need to understand, that we need to fix it ourselves. Sitting on your knees talking to youself hoping some invisible man will come down and save us does not work. Obviously it does not work. We all need to realize only humans can fix this world into shape, and talking to youself at night on your knees does not fix anything, it does not send police into a genocide area, it does not put out the fire burning babies in Darfur, it does NOTHING. This is the sad reality folks. I wish as much as you all do, it was not, but I also wish there was a billion dollars buried in my backyard. We need to physically get off of our knees, stop talking to ourselves at night thinking we're talking to our imiginary magical freind who does nothing to help us, and clean up this troubled world ourselves.

Good night, and see you all tommowow, have a great day.

 

[quatona]

God has given us the choice to be evil.... or to love, thats what im trying to say.

And I say:
1. I don´t care for this "freedom", I haven´t asked for it.
2. An allegedly omnipotent omniscient creator god sure could have created us without this dualism.
3. And, according to Christian theology, he indeed has: Heaven.
4. Let alone that, prior to creation, god was pure goodness and love, without an evil antagonist.
So the "love/good can´t exist without evil" excuse is not exactly credible, coming from a Christian.

 

[Lisa0315]

And I say:
1. I don´t care for this "freedom", I haven´t asked for it.
2. An allegedly omnipotent omniscient creator god sure could have created us without this dualism.
3. And, according to Christian theology, he indeed has: Heaven.
4. Let alone that, prior to creation, god was pure goodness and love, without an evil antagonist.
So the "love/good can´t exist without evil" excuse is not exactly credible, coming from a Christian.

<sigh> For the millionth time, the point is that the possibility of evil has existed along with the existence of God all along. You keep saying that it is possible for God to have created a world without evil. He did just that! However, creation, Heaven, angels, and everything EVER made was made with the possibility of evil. It is an obvious law that good cannot exist without at the very least the possibility of evil. It was an exercise of free will when Lucifer rebelled. It was an exercise of free will when man fell. Free will then, IS that possibility of evil. You are asking for a world without free will, not a world without evil. Heaven and the New Earth will not allow evil to enter, but evil will still exist.

Lisa

 

[quatona]

<sigh> For the millionth time, the point is that the possibility of evil has existed along with the existence of God all along.

I don´t recall you telling me that even only once.
Where did this "evil that existed along with the existence of God all along" come from (you know, that everything needs a cause is a favourite argument for the existence of a creatorgod ).

You keep saying that it is possible for God to have created a world without evil. He did just that!

Well, ok, then evil doesn´t exist in this world.

However, creation, Heaven, angels, and everything EVER made was made with the possibility of evil. It is an obvious law that good cannot exist without at the very least the possibility of evil.

I have no problem with the possibility of evil. I have a problem with its factual existence. I guess god could have easily created beings that can conceive of evil but not do it. Like in heaven. Like himself.

It was an exercise of free will when Lucifer rebelled. It was an exercise of free will when man fell. Free will then, IS that possibility of evil. You are asking for a world without free will, not a world without evil.

Yes, sure. That´s what I have explicitly stated even (a million times ).
Here it´s again, in bold:
What´s the point in creating creatures with the "freewill" to do evil (and, in view of the Christian doctrine that everyone is a sinner, apparently even a strong inclination to do so)?
I don´t care for the freedom to do evil. For to appreciate the good there is no need for the ability to do evil, having the idea of what would be evil would do.
There are a lot of evil things I do not have the slightest inclination to do. In fact, I feel unable to do them. I do not exactly miss this ability.
(On a sidenote: That´s also a reason why I find the "we are creating evil"thing absurd. I do not recall one single instance in which I intended to make someone suffer, yet there is suffering all over the place. I do, however, see how the conditions of our existence make it impossible to do anything without making someone suffer, inadvertantly. I haven´t invented those conditions of this our existence.)

Heaven and the New Earth will not allow evil to enter, but evil will still exist.

Then the question is: Why did god create Old World in a way that allowed evil to enter?

 

[elman]

Then the question is: Why did god create Old World in a way that allowed evil to enter?

In order to have beings around Him that He would love and who would respond to His love with love.

 

[elman]

=quatona;32764532]And I say:
1. I don´t care for this "freedom", I haven´t asked for it.

You did not ask to be born either. It comes with being born a human. You don't have to ask for it.

2. An allegedly omnipotent omniscient creator god sure could have created us without this dualism.

Not if He wanted us to be able to love Him.

3. And, according to Christian theology, he indeed has: Heaven.

I don't think our free will ends in heaven.

4. Let alone that, prior to creation, god was pure goodness and love, without an evil antagonist.
So the "love/good can´t exist without evil" excuse is not exactly credible, coming from a Christian.

The potential for evil is all that is required. When God was the only thing in existence, He did not do evil so there was no evil. When we come into existence, we do evil so evil exists.

 

[loudatheist101]

One more thing I forgot to menion is, we all have to understand that this world is surely fudged up, and all we humans need to understand, that we need to fix it ourselves. Sitting on your knees talking to youself hoping some invisible man will come down and save us does not work. Obviously it does not work. We all need to realize only humans can fix this world into shape, and talking to youself at night on your knees does not fix anything, it does not send police into a genocide area, it does not put out the fire burning babies in Darfur, it does NOTHING. This is the sad reality folks. I wish as much as you all do, it was not, but I also wish there was a billion dollars buried in my backyard. We need to physically get off of our knees, stop talking to ourselves at night thinking we're talking to our imiginary magical freind who does nothing to help us, and clean up this troubled world ourselves.

Good night, and see you all tommowow, have a great day.

Just saying that again.

 

[loudatheist101]

You did not ask to be born either. It comes with being born a human. You don't have to ask for it.
Not if He wanted us to be able to love Him.
I don't think our free will ends in heaven.

The potential for evil is all that is required. When God was the only thing in existence, He did not do evil so there was no evil. When we come into existence, we do evil so evil exists.

On the last thing you said, well, God sends millions of his own children to hell each day. He punshed Adam for simply not listening. Yet, God is all knowing, shouldn't he have known Adam would not listen to God?

 

[reillycool]

Evil exists because adam and eve sinned in the guarden of eden.
Why God allows evil to exist is because he loves us. He gave us freewill because he loves us. And with freewill comes choices. The result of that decision can make us closer to God (grace) or lead us farther away(sin). And when we get so far away from God we make horrible (evil) choices.
If God got rid of all evil in the world only two being would have existed. Mary and Jesus. Because they lived life without sin.Also, if he got rid of all evil in the world he would have to go rid of freewhill.
I hope I helped a little.

 

[reillycool]

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[loudatheist101]

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Dude, kid, it's the sad reality. It's science, science and logic proove there is no god. (PT me if you want to "save" me, try your best heh heh heh)

We did not reject him dear, there is no evidence for him. Please PT me I hate people that don't understand atheists.

 

[loudatheist101]

Evil exists because adam and eve sinned in the guarden of eden.
Why God allows evil to exist is because he loves us. He gave us freewill because he loves us. And with freewill comes choices. The result of that decision can make us closer to God (grace) or lead us farther away(sin). And when we get so far away from God we make horrible (evil) choices.
If God got rid of all evil in the world only two being would have existed. Mary and Jesus. Because they lived life without sin.Also, if he got rid of all evil in the world he would have to go rid of freewhill.
I hope I helped a little.

Dude, I know your trying to help but,

1. I've heard this story 100 times before.

2. How am I suppost to simply believe that story?

 

[elman]

On the last thing you said, well, God sends millions of his own children to hell each day. He punshed Adam for simply not listening. Yet, God is all knowing, shouldn't he have known Adam would not listen to God?

No God sends no one to an afterlife of pain. Adam is symbolic but even if literal, Adam did more than not listen. He did what he was told not to do. Yes God knew Adam would not obey and He knows you and I will be unloving toward each other and others, but He felt it was worth it for you and I to have the chance to mature into loving beings- become more like God.

 

[elman]

Dude, kid, it's the sad reality. It's science, science and logic proove there is no god. (PT me if you want to "save" me, try your best heh heh heh)

We did not reject him dear, there is no evidence for him. Please PT me I hate people that don't understand atheists.

How does science and logic prove there is no God? Most scientist including the atheists scientists would say that is an incorrect statment.

 

[stranger]

If you are all so 'free-willed', why can you not ACT on your CHOICE to be loving to all people all the time ... ?

The fact is that you CANNOT even if you will to do so, so your will is not free at all, you just like to think it is... self-deceit ... !

But do not let this worry you, we are all made that way and God only makes very few to be perfectly loving like Jesus in this life :-

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Not only that ,but everyone has the opportunity at last to be loving in the new earth :-

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.