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Can we proove faries don't exist? No. Faries must exist then too huh.How does science and logic prove there is no God? Most scientist including the atheists scientists would say that is an incorrect statment.
Can we proove faries don't exist? No. Faries must exist then too huh.
90% of biologists are atheists actually. Theism, is only overwhelming in the public.
Free will is about the ability to love others. It is not about being able to love others perfectly all the time. Proving we are not perfect does not elimanate our having free will in any particular circumstance and course of action.If you are all so 'free-willed', why can you not ACT on your CHOICE to be loving to all people all the time ... ?
The fact is that you CANNOT even if you will to do so, so your will is not free at all, you just like to think it is... self-deceit ... !
But do not let this worry you, we are all made that way and God only makes very few to be perfectly loving like Jesus in this life :-
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Not only that ,but everyone has the opportunity at last to be loving in the new earth :-
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Free will is about the ability to love others. It is not about being able to love others perfectly all the time. Proving we are not perfect does not elimanate our having free will in any particular circumstance and course of action.
=stranger;33064244]Love indeed seems the best attitude... and there is none better as far as I can see...
But there is a problem, if one is CAREFUL enough to WATCH oneself ...
What is sin? Sin is simply breaking the law :-
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
What is the law? The law is simply to love God and thus love all men ...
Thus sin is ANY unlovingness to anyone in the world [or not loving God]
Thus we see that all men [save only Jesus] are sinners , all are unloving then , so what point talking about being loving when one CANNOT do it ?
The problem for men who WANT to be able to love is that FAITH to be ABLE to love is GIVEN ONLY by God , it does NOT come from ourselves by our will! :-
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Thus God DETERMINES who wil STOP sinning and become saints in THIS earth and who will stop sinning and be saints in the righteous new earth :-
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Thus it is God alone who FITS men to destruction in death and the END of THIS world, but redeems the many by perfecting their love as saints in the righteous kingdom COME in the new earth....
Why then does God take a FEW FIRST in THIS earth?
Simply that God needs but 144,000 sainst from this earth by grace of His new covenant with the House of Judah [Jews] and t|he House of Israel [lost, paganised as gentiles for millenia] - Heb 8:3-13 is absolutely specific, ONLY these two Houses receive grace in THIS world, and not all Israel died as saints either, Jesus takes only 144,000 first and there are far more than that in Israel... Rev 7:3-8
Thus God takes His FEW kings and priests first , at Jesus' return , so that they will be ready in the kingdom in the new earth to serve as priests and kings, that is why they are firstfruits, but the mANY are saved after BY THEIR MINISTRY [Rev 7:9-10]
Thus the many go by the BROAD way to Jesus ALSO, but not in this earth, rather in the kingdom...
But Jesus' kingdom is NOT of THIS earth, he says so :-
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:
BUT it is NOT in haeven either because Jesus' kings RULE on EARTH [thus it s the new earth where they rule!]
Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
So God alone determines who shall be wholly loving and follow Jesus now as saints tried in perfection of their GIVEN ability love ...
and God alone determines thus the MANY who will die first as SINNERS, [without love], and yet be redeemed afterwards by those who were CHOSEN to be first BEFORE god even created the world ! :-
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Thus it is the scripture taht gives the truth about man, not the pagan phlosophy of free will that denies God's power to conform men to the image of Jesus [perfectly loving, without any sin] ... God WILL show that power - Romans 9:22 - and men will give up in the new earth their self-contradictory faith in themselves which denies our most basic belief that things are CAUSED , they are not random as free-will attempts to give men...
Men are intelligent, they RESPOND to things in determinate ways, not randomly... thus God can determine men's lovingness simply by giving SOME men the WHOLE truth NOW, and many men all truth later, once God has His servants ready to RULE as perfect kings and priests in His kingdom COME on earth[but not this earth, not now then!][/SIZE
I think you get off the track when you go from the point that none of us can be perfectly loving to assume therefor none of us can be loving.
We can be loving. We can be good neighbors to each other even though we cannot do it perfectly. We can be good fathers even as we cannot be perfect fathers.
God does not control who we are loving to and who we are not loving to
and that is why Jesus encouraged us to be loving
and John encouraged us to be loving
and Paul encouraged us to be loving
and why Jesus gave us the parable of the good Samaitan to show us it is something we can do.
If God did control our being loving or unloving it would not be us that is loving or unloving but God.
Paul said faith without love is meaningless
and John said we cannot be a child of God if we do not love.
No it does not. God is all powerful, he can change this and purge all destruction on earth.Because LOVE REQUIRES A FREEWILL!
Your post is based of a universal, or natural agreement on what an evality is. It is, what society chooses it to be as. Those who view a phenomenon can interpret it as good or bad. Evil has no nature, it has no set definition. Evil is everything.
No it does not. God is all powerful, he can change this and purge all destruction on earth.
The basis of your entropy, or your evality of the human identity is still based of a universal concept that their are some who identity evil and therefore create the concept for all. This is an impossiblity since so called "saints" and prophets were all men just like you and me. Evil is everything, what i find bad can be evil, what i find good can be transcendingly and overwhelmingly blissful.
Your concept of love does not imply, because you have not given the definition of love by which you imply it as. I could "love" to eat i could "love" to cause suffering. Hitler for example loved his perspectives and the german people thus gained a sense he was achieving a personified example of a naturality good by which in fact he was achieving a societical evality. His "love" for the master race was in fact good to him, but the destruction he caused thus renamed him as the societical essential of evil.
There is a set definition to war. There is no set definition to murder when it is involved in war. I could murder someone while in war with another. There is no ingrained limit on human behavior, or of the choices between good and evil. If i was a hermit and lived in the woods and suddenly looked upon the modern society i would see something totally evil. If i was one who lived as a man in modern society and looked upon the peacefullness of the hermit i would see something so unused by me i would find it evil and almost blasphemous to my upraising. The hermit may look upon the modern society and see something so untuned to him that he may find it interesting and blissful while those who have lived it their entire lives find it frightening and condeming.That is an interesting way of looking at good and evil. However, for those who believe in God, we measure good and evil by Him. I also believe that within all of us is the image of God, and in all cultures, certain things are considered "good" and certain things are considered "evil".
For example, in all cultures, murder is considered evil. So is cowardice. Yet, those words have different meanings in different cultures. What is murder to some, will be war to others. What is cowardice to some is tolerence to others. Yet, there is still an ingrained limit on behavior and a definition of "good" vs "evil".
Lisa
There is a set definition to war. There is no set definition to murder when it is involved in war. I could murder someone while in war with another. There is no ingrained limit on human behavior, or of the choices between good and evil. If i was a hermit and lived in the woods and suddenly looked upon the modern society i would see something totally evil. If i was one who lived as a man in modern society and looked upon the peacefullness of the hermit i would see something so unused by me i would find it evil and almost blasphemous to my upraising. The hermit may look upon the modern society and see something so untuned to him that he may find it interesting and blissful while those who have lived it their entire lives find it frightening and condeming.
Evil is everything, evil is other people. Until i commit act and see the phenomenon of the other may i thus change the evality of the individual or thing of the other into a whole new concured approach.
So the definition is not set? You contradict yourself. You are agreeing with me when you say this and therefore stray from your original argument since you are now denying the existence of set social evalities and blisses.The set definition of war varies from century to century and from culture to culture. To us, eating one's enemy would be evil. To another culture, it is power, and therefore, good.
Lisa
Gotta agree with you here.The set definition of war varies from century to century and from culture to culture. To us, eating one's enemy would be evil. To another culture, it is power, and therefore, good.
So the definition is not set? You contradict yourself.
Gotta agree with you here.
Didn´t want to leave this sort of unique occasion unmentioned.
That is the line by which our beliefs of atheism and christianity cross.WHAAAA????
At last, the light of God has shown down on you and revealed to you the truth and wisdom of ALL I have ever written. This truly is a day that must be occasioned by a great big ole, JUST KIDDING!
This is kind of cool. I don't think you and I have EVER agreed on a single thing.
Lisa
That is the line by which our beliefs of atheism and christianity cross.
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