Why does everyone think Evolution contradicts Creationism?

[Larniavc]

It is not that He invented Cancer, it is just a result of living in rebellion to the world we live in. God created the universe with laws that need to be followed.

So why does he not say "no more cancer"?

 

[DogmaHunter]

There are wild dogs and there are domesticated dogs. Just like there are wild and domesticated plants. Often the domesticated plants and animals can adapt outside of their bio diverse ecology. Here in America we are told that the Amish and Mennonite people were some of the first to get plants from Europe to adapt to grow here in American.

Of course in some cases animals that were domesticated at one time can become wild again.

Okay.

Not that it has anything whatsoever to do with the quote you are replying to, off course

 

[DogmaHunter]

Creationism uses Science to help us understand God's message for us today.

No... It abuses science to retro-actively "reïnterpret" bronze age religions in a rather desperate attempt to make sense of the non-sensical, to clinge to a priori beliefs.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No... It abuses science to retro-actively "reïnterpret" bronze age religions in a rather desperate attempt to make sense of the non-sensical, to clinge to a priori beliefs.

You abuse science to serve your agenda, don't try to pin that one on us.

 

[Phenotype]

Joshua19 you have sold your birthright for a bowl of lentil pottage. You need to work harder at the requirement to think critically and take up the challenge to getting yourself educated.

In evangelism training one is told their personal testimony is most powerful to convict the lost. I regrettably got a few saved. My mother is one. She scorns me that I am going to hell. She has to, poor mum. Am I responsible for their gullibility, their credulity?

By 1993 I had been a very committed Christian for 13 years. I still had no computer. I personally met no one who could or would be bothered to challenge me, to explain to me what I am now able to do on this forum to people in America I will never meet. Why would I care? I must be an altruist, hence the vulnerability to getting saved and living for the glory of God, sacrificing my best years.

I had a scripture verse spring to mind in answer to absolutely everything, which recall I attributed to the Holy Spirit, as inspired revelation. I know my Bible. I also studied the theologies, doctrines and writings of Protestantism, Catholicism, Pentecostalism.

If back then, I had met me now, I would have been seriously listening. After all I am still me, though that seems remotely true sometimes, I have done so much reading and thinking things through. The Christian paradigm is not wasted on me. I think about it critically, which is all good. Yes, I would have capitulated to me now, wanting to get educated.

I don't expect anyone to suddenly capitulate to me when I engage them here. We are all endowed with our pride, useful for self preservation. Maybe I can arouse some healthy skepticism in my interlocutor, which may happily blossom into full blown intellectual courage and surreptitiously reading popular science and scholarship. Or they will, like I did, enroll in off-campus studies at a good secular university, doing Social Sciences. Psychology is in the Social Sciences.

I have heard ad nauseum, Christians telling me I never really knew Jesus. That's true. No one does. He's dead, if there even was a bloke with followers called Jesus.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You abuse science to serve your agenda, don't try to pin that one on us.

I don't have an agenda. I just follow the evidence.
The people with agenda's here are the people with a priori beliefs.
I don't have any a priori beliefs. I'm not a theist.

 

[bhsmte]

Sorry, but I don´t see how this is an answer to my question.

Don't you know, every disease can be prevented with diet?

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationism is not science. It is antithetical to science and its criterion of falsifiability. Creationism is antithetical to science.

Someone else here harps on that too.

He used to have a Custom User Title that said: SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE.

 

[Troy Rambo]

If I were an all powerful being who wanted to create something as big and beautiful as the ENTIRE UNIVERSE... I would NEVER do it all by hand. I'd be too smart for that. First, I'd create the Laws of Physics, chemistry, etc. Then I would design a mechanism by which life of all forms can flourish.... IE... Evolution.

To me, Evolution is proof of creationism. It is proof that there is an Omniscient, Omnipotent being out there.

Most people who don't believe in evolution say "it's just a theory, it hasn't been proven" Which is a blatant misunderstanding of the word "theory". In scientific terms, a theory is something that has been proven, but not quantified (As opposed to a Law which is always true in every instance and can be calculated). It happens folks. No amount of whining and moaning can un-prove or undo evolution. So instead of believing that it is some affront to God, why not realize that Evolution is actually God's work?

We've seen evolution in our lifetimes. On microbial scale, we see things like algae being coaxed into evolving into fuel producing species. As humans, we've had a hand in the evolution of Dogs. We chose the ones that are loyal and that look nice, and the rest were routinely killed off. Even an astute person can see how traits are passed down from human parent to human child. We see hundreds or thousands of versions of the same plants and animals in different regions of the world.

So lets look at this differently.

Evolution does not disprove creationism, it is the mechanism. Science is how were discover God's universe. It is not the unholy tool by which we unravel God. It is God's tool by which we discover HIM!

If God revealed to me that He created us through evolution, then I would certainly accept it as truth. But I know that if He created the heavens and the earth in seven days, then He can do that also. It simply doesnt matter how He created us because God is awesome either way. Now Im inclined to believe that He did it seven days because I believe the word of God is absolute truth.

Im digressing here, but you Mormons seem to make up your own rules as you go along. Adding the Book of Mormon to the Bible is wrong according to Revelations. And then believing that we are married forever and will be like gods. What a bunch of nonsense. Repent and throw away your Book of Mormon. And stop making stuff up.

 

[Phenotype]

Don't you know, every disease can be prevented with diet?

bhsmte, you have contempt for the rigour of medical science, the applied intelligence, the historical development, the training and education requisite in any field within it, the dedication and ethical requirements to at least do no harm, the successes in medicine and the breakthroughs which are the positive stories in the daily news.

What you said is lazy. I'm thinking maybe your personality is in the way of your intellect. What you said is contemptible. I don't want you to have to eat your words because of contracting something horrible, like cancer or mental illness.

Education is actually something of a preventive against mental illness. There are a lot of Christian nutters with a lower than average IQ.

 

[Phenotype]

Someone else here harps on that too.

He used to have a Custom User Title that said: SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE.

So he woke up to himself?

 

[bhsmte]

bhsmte, you have contempt for the rigour of medical science, the applied intelligence, the historical development, the training and education requisite in any field within it, the dedication and ethical requirements to at least do no harm, the successes in medicine and the breakthroughs which are the positive stories in the daily news.

What you said is lazy. I'm thinking maybe your personality is in the way of your intellect. What you said is contemptible. I don't want you to have to eat your words because of contracting something horrible, like cancer or mental illness.

Education is actually something of a preventive against mental illness. There are a lot of Christian nutters with a lower than average IQ.

Maybe you didn't catch it, but I was being sarcastic.

 

[Phenotype]

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If God revealed to me that He created us through evolution, then I would certainly accept it as truth. But I know that if He created the heavens and the earth in seven days, then He can do that also. It simply doesnt matter how He created us because God is awesome either way. Now Im inclined to believe that He did it seven days because I believe the word of God is absolute truth.

Im digressing here, but you Mormons seem to make up your own rules as you go along. Adding the Book of Mormon to the Bible is wrong according to Revelations. And then believing that we are married forever and will be like gods. What a bunch of nonsense. Repent and throw away your Book of Mormon. And stop making stuff up.

The stipulation that God has to reveal the veracity of evolution to you is your obstacle.It will disappear for you if you simply dismiss the God proposition.

Easy peasy. Rather cathartic. We all need to cathart sometimes.

 

[Phenotype]

Maybe you didn't catch it, but I was being sarcastic.

Oh dear. I should have known. That right there is Poe's Law got me again.

 

[Phenotype]

Anyway, the answer to the thread title's question is that science and pseudo science simply do contradict one another.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So why does he not say "no more cancer"?

Science is doing a lot of research on what the cause of cancer is. So we are making a lot of progress in how to overcome this and a lot of other diseases through diet, exercise and lifestyle changes a lot of disease can be eliminated.

Guidelines from DEC Disease Control and Prevention recommend that adults do at least 2.5 hours of moderate-intensity aerobic activity weekly (or an hour and fifteen minutes of vigorous activity), and also do muscle-strengthening activities, such as push-ups or weight lifting, at least two days a week.

The percentage of adults who met both those recommendations nationally was 20.6 percent, according to the report. But more people met the aerobic activity guidelines (51.6 percent) than the muscle-strengthening guidelines (29.3 percent).

 

[joshua 1 9]

Don't you know, every disease can be prevented with diet?

Not just diet, you have to add exercise and behavior modification. It is the behavior mod that is the real zinger. This is not just the Bible, this is Science saying this based on research and articles in peer reviewed journals. We all know if it is published in a peer reviewed journal then it must be true. For example it has been found that: "Lifestyle factors related to obesity, eating behavior, and physical activity play a major role in the prevention and treatment of type 2 diabetes." http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/24/1/117.short Just putting the body into weight loss mode is very healthy. You can almost instantly turn around a lot of disease. That is why prayer and fasting is so effective for so many issues. So either way Science and the Bible seem to be confirming each other again. Even though the Bible is spiritual and Science is physical so when you try to compare them it is difficult to find common ground. Ie uncertainty principle and the observer effect.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I don't have an agenda. I just follow the evidence.

Then your alleged agenda is to follow the evidence. Of course the question is what do you consider to be evidence? Because I would venture to say you follow your interpretation of the evidence. Because my argument is that your interpretation of the evidence does not accurately represent the evidence. Even though we do owe a debt of gratitude to Science for their meticulous gathering of the evidence.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Then your alleged agenda is to follow the evidence.

Of course the question is what do you consider to be evidence?

Data in support of a testable, falsifiable idea.

Because I would venture to say you follow your interpretation of the evidence. Because my argument is that your interpretation of the evidence does not accurately represent the evidence. Even though we do owe a debt of gratitude to Science for their meticulous gathering of the evidence.

No. You start with a conclusion and then try to force-fit the evidence.
I don't.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Data in support of a testable, falsifiable idea.

So you do admit then that you do not really follow the evidence, just your falsifiable ideas about the evidence.

No. You start with a conclusion and then try to force-fit the evidence.

Yes I do but the Bible is not so engraved in stone as people would think. When you look into the original language we have more flexibility then what the translations give us.