Why does everyone think Evolution contradicts Creationism?

[pakicetus]

Cancer and all sickness, illness, disease, pain, suffering and death is a product of NOT following the Law and Commandments of God. He is a God of justice and He would not allow people to suffer unjustly. Even when people do suffer He will cause good to come out of it. So that all things work together for the good for those who love God and are following His plan and purpose for them and their life.

If we ever come up with a cure for cancer, do you think we should use it?

 

[joshua 1 9]

If we ever come up with a cure for cancer, do you think we should use it?

Of course, we pray for people with Cancer all the time and often they recover. The Bible says to choose life, health, blessing and prosperity. It is never to late to repent, turn away from your sin and live righteous before God,

 

[Larniavc]

Of course, we pray for people with Cancer all the time and often they recover. The Bible says to choose life, health, blessing and prosperity. It is never to late to repent, turn away from your sin and live righteous before God,

I think it is a real shame your God invented cancer: he must have been really ticked off, that day.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The idea that it is the result of not following the law and commandments of god is doubly ludicrous

Again, science is more strict then the Bible when it comes to eating the right food to avoid cancer, heart disease and diabetes. Even IF you have a genetic predisposition to cancer still you can hinder the expression of those genes with the right program of diet and lifestyle changes. So based on what you say that cancer is "is present in virtually all complex eukaryotes." then all the more we need to be very careful to hinder that cancer so that we can continue to be healthy.

Some people think we can starve the cancer and hinder it's expression, but research still needs to be done on that.

 

[The Cadet]

Of course, we pray for people with Cancer all the time and often they recover. The Bible says to choose life, health, blessing and prosperity. It is never to late to repent, turn away from your sin and live righteous before God,

And yet, a virus does not care if you are Mother Theresa or Charles Manson; it will reproduce regardless.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I think it is a real shame your God invented cancer: he must have been really ticked off, that day.

It is not that He invented Cancer, it is just a result of living in rebellion to the world we live in. God created the universe with laws that need to be followed.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And yet, a virus does not care if you are Mother Theresa or Charles Manson; it will reproduce regardless.

If you want to live to be 80 then diet is going to be a part of that.
We have a lot of control over how long we live and how healthy we are.

 

[ljglazner]

If I were an all powerful being who wanted to create something as big and beautiful as the ENTIRE UNIVERSE... I would NEVER do it all by hand. I'd be too smart for that. First, I'd create the Laws of Physics, chemistry, etc. Then I would design a mechanism by which life of all forms can flourish.... IE... Evolution.

To me, Evolution is proof of creationism. It is proof that there is an Omniscient, Omnipotent being out there.

Most people who don't believe in evolution say "it's just a theory, it hasn't been proven" Which is a blatant misunderstanding of the word "theory". In scientific terms, a theory is something that has been proven, but not quantified (As opposed to a Law which is always true in every instance and can be calculated). It happens folks. No amount of whining and moaning can un-prove or undo evolution. So instead of believing that it is some affront to God, why not realize that Evolution is actually God's work?

We've seen evolution in our lifetimes. On microbial scale, we see things like algae being coaxed into evolving into fuel producing species. As humans, we've had a hand in the evolution of Dogs. We chose the ones that are loyal and that look nice, and the rest were routinely killed off. Even an astute person can see how traits are passed down from human parent to human child. We see hundreds or thousands of versions of the same plants and animals in different regions of the world.

So lets look at this differently.

Evolution does not disprove creationism, it is the mechanism. Science is how were discover God's universe. It is not the unholy tool by which we unravel God. It is God's tool by which we discover HIM!

 

[DogmaHunter]

Will you answer the question then, or do you too wonder if I'm too dumb to understand?

It's not a matter of being too dumb.
It's a matter of being stubborn and willfully ignorant.

I explained, in detail, why your question is invalid (since it's loaded with invalid assumptions).

There is no "first" dog, just like there is no "first" spanish speaking child.

New species, just like new languages, don't come about overnight.

 

[The Cadet]

Will you answer the question then, or do you too wonder if I'm too dumb to understand?

Let me see if I can help.

Can you tell me what the first purple word in that text is?

 

[Loudmouth]

Or you might have to abandon the idea that dinosaurs died 70 million years ago.

Then why can't we find any dinosaur fossils above igneous rock that date to 30 or 10 million years old? Why are all of the dinosaur fossils below igneous deposits that date to 65 million years and older?

 

[Loudmouth]

Thanks for that AV. Such wisdom from the atheists that is ahem, wisdomless.

Which one of these is Piltdown or Nebraska Man?

 

[Zosimus]

That quote attributed to Jesus (most likely a mythical character; certainly there was no Christ), is a comment on hypocrisy. It is borrowed from the Greeks as is a great deal of the New Testament, Platonism.

Few scholars would agree that Jesus is a mythical character.

Zosimus, education, reading science and scholarly books and interwebz articles is transformational. I can attest to it. Neural pathways are created in the brain with the acquisition of understandings, paradigms like evolution, geology, genetics, ethics. As the intellect is developed, one simply becomes more of oneself, opened up, realising intellectual potential. It is the great preventive against bigotry and narrow mindedness. It is rather important for mental health.

Phenotype, I am surprised and touched by the heartfelt plea that you have included in this post. It seems that you truly feel for the welfare of my soul. You have taken the time to bear your personal testimony of how valuable the study of empirical fallacies can be. I believe the term for this is "witnessing." I am glad that you took this moment to ensure that I was "saved" and to share your personal conversion story.

I just didn't think that atheists were evangelic in that way. This is the first time I've ever been witnessed to by an atheist.

Of course, if science is to be believed (something I personally doubt) then there are a number of ways to create neural pathways in the brain. Learning new foreign languages or playing video games are both believed to create neural pathways.

What makes your faith so special?

 

[Zosimus]

Then why can't we find any dinosaur fossils above igneous rock that date to 30 or 10 million years old? Why are all of the dinosaur fossils below igneous deposits that date to 65 million years and older?

Your argument presupposes that the igneous rock really is 30 to 10 million years old.

Personally I think it's a strange range... 30 to 10 million years old. Did you, perhaps, mean 3 to 10 million years old?

 

[Phenotype]

Few scholars would agree that Jesus is a mythical character.


Phenotype, I am surprised and touched by the heartfelt plea that you have included in this post. It seems that you truly feel for the welfare of my soul. You have taken the time to bear your personal testimony of how valuable the study of empirical fallacies can be. I believe the term for this is "witnessing." I am glad that you took this moment to ensure that I was "saved" and to share your personal conversion story.

I just didn't think that atheists were evangelic in that way. This is the first time I've ever been witnessed to by an atheist.

Of course, if science is to be believed (something I personally doubt) then there are a number of ways to create neural pathways in the brain. Learning new foreign languages or playing video games are both believed to create neural pathways.

What makes your faith so special?

I'm wondering if I detect a note of the passive/aggressive. I can't be certain though.

I'm talking about paradigms, understandings by which to do cognition, like the anthropological understanding, psychology, genetics, Darwinism. Video games I think are a waste of time when you could be studying old time music and nailing theory like Randy Newman has. Redeem the time.

Daniel C. Dennett wrote Intuition Pumps and other tools for thinking. He also wrote Darwin's Dangerous Idea, a classic. Also Consciousness Explained and Freedom Evolves.

The thing about Creationism versus science, the study of nature in the very quest to explain the account of biology, is falsifiability which Carl Popper identified in his seminal development in the philosophy of science.

Any hypothesis is vulnerable to falsification. The evidence needs to be compelling and conclusive. It needs to be empirical, objective, substantive. It is tested in rigorous experiment. Others can and will ruthlessly test one's conclusions to see if they are unsound. Only the good theories survive, to be taken tentatively as explanatory and operational, until and if, a better and tested theory later supplants it.

Creationism is bent only on claiming itself verified. The science is all bogus, spurious. They force their conclusions. They are certainly not honourably seeking to falsify their assumptions and suppositions.

Creationism is not science. It is antithetical to science and its criterion of falsifiability. Creationism is antithetical to science. It parades as science and fools and impresses the credulous, the uneducated or miseducated.

Creationism is apologetics. The implications for Genesis being mythology are historic, seismic. That renders Calvary meaningless, because there was no Adam and Eve, no Fall, no inherited sin nature to be redeemed from before an absolutist God. Hence the Christian life is puerile. Christianity is really the Jesus cult. Thank you, Saul of Tarsus.

The science of evolution is just that, bona fide science, subordinated to the criterion of falsifiability. Despite what you are told in your world, what is promulgated in that dogmatized scene, evolution by natural selection on (non)random mutation, horizontal and vertical gene transfer and sexual selection has only ever been verified, never falsified.

One can confidently aver that wherever life has been able to emerge on any other planet in this particular stupefyingly vast universe, out of ionic, dynamic chemical interaction becoming ever more complex and varied, until self replicators eventually arise, life will evolve and speciation will obtain by the same process of evolution by natural selection. Life is fecund, because chemistry is interactive.

I have heard that this is all so impersonal. I am warm blooded, capable of empathy, since I am a Homo sapiens individual, evolved to have that social orientation for survival.

God is redundant, superfluous.

I don't have a faith.

 

[quatona]

It is not that He invented Cancer, it is just a result of living in rebellion to the world we live in.

Could you explain that mechanism in more detail?

God created the universe with laws that need to be followed.

How´s that statement different from "God invented cancer" when cancer is part of the laws that God created?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Could you explain that mechanism in more detail?

How´s that statement different from "God invented cancer" when cancer is part of the laws that God created?

We can bring out the best or worst in our genetic predispositions based on the nutrition, exercise and lifestyle choices we make.

Read more: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/fe...-disease-and-breast-cancer.html#ixzz3joxhx5M9

 

[joshua 1 9]

Creationism is not science.

Creationism uses Science to help us understand God's message for us today. He talks to us through the Bible. Also God talks to us through the natural record that He created for us in the natural world. Through things like geology we can study the geological ages in the past. Through fossils and now DNA God gives us a record of his Creation so we can better understand how He created the world we live in.

 

[joshua 1 9]

There is no "first" dog, just like there is no "first" spanish speaking child.

There are wild dogs and there are domesticated dogs. Just like there are wild and domesticated plants. Often the domesticated plants and animals can adapt outside of their bio diverse ecology. Here in America we are told that the Amish and Mennonite people were some of the first to get plants from Europe to adapt to grow here in American.

Of course in some cases animals that were domesticated at one time can become wild again.

 

[quatona]

We can bring out the best or worst in our genetic predispositions based on the nutrition, exercise and lifestyle choices we make.

Read more: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/fe...-disease-and-breast-cancer.html#ixzz3joxhx5M9

Sorry, but I don´t see how this is an answer to my question.