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So the fact there is no evidence of the Marian doctrines prior to the gnostic writings being penned isn't a clue?
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The Gnostic "Gospels" in general have overlap/s with the NT Gospels; that does not mean everything in the NT Gospels is false.
Likewise, the Gnostic Gospels can utilize what is common knowledge or doctrine without rendering those things false in themselves.
So the fact there is no evidence of the Marian doctrines prior to the gnostic writings being penned isn't a clue?
Central fallacy of your position: earliest extent text = origin of concepts in the text.
Cultural fallacy of your position: all that is believed and is important is recorded in a text.
(Secondary fallacy: all texts recording important matters are presently extant.)
List of fallacies invoked to ignore the truth:begging the question; assuming the consequent; appeal to common practice; appeal to tradition; and an attempt to shift the burden of proof (forcing the other side to attempt to prove a universal negative; there is no evidence of a belief prior to the gnostic writings, yet you're asserting they existed, and are claiming I must prove you incorrect.)
This entire post is a strawman. No one "hates Mary" because we disagree with the idea that she is "our mother".
Jesus taught us not to pray to intercessors, but to pray directly to your true Father which is in Heaven. That said, those who pray to intercessors have a great advantage over those who don't pray at all.
The Gnostic "Gospels" in general have overlap/s with the NT Gospels; that does not mean everything in the NT Gospels is false.
Likewise, the Gnostic Gospels can utilize what is common knowledge or doctrine without rendering those things false in themselves.
Does EO prefer non-canon portrayals over the canon account?
Mary was not diety. Otherwise how could Jesus have been both all human and all God. The thinking that Mary is deity would imply that her parents were deity as well. She was all human with no other qualifications than that she and Joseph were devout, observant Jews.
One could easily conclude that you statement amounts to "leading with the chin".
well people have claimed that "no one hates Mary so this thread has no bearing"
well no one has said Mary is a deity, so what is your point?
Mary is not a deity, she is also not a pink aardvark
well people have claimed that "no one hates Mary so this thread has no bearing"
Why is it that non-Catholics on this forum disregard Holy Scripture and refuse to address Christ's mother as " Blessed Mary "?
Then prove that everyone DOES hate Mary. That's the issue of this thread: Do all people hate her? Or is the accusation of this thread false, wrong, a lie?
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If you don't hate Mary, which I know you do not, but then why not call Mary as ''blessed" just as the Holy Bible states ? Do you think because it would sound as if you would be agreeing with Catholicism ?
It looks like this is at the heart of the thread. It certainly was the presumption that launched the OP. So, can anyone substantiate it? If not, why should we be going off onto side issues?
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