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As a Pentecostal I certainly value Mary as the birth mother of Jesus but beyond that she has no other role within the New Covenant.
That's derogatory. Mary was the mother of Jesus. She was not a "vessel" or "birth mother" as if she were some kind of surrogate.
Mary is the mother of Jesus and He knows her as His mother in His humanity. Jesus is FULLY GOD and FULLY MAN. Think about that, He is still fully man. That means in that she remains His mother, always.
I believe Mary's my mother for various reasons. My Father is God in heaven. I know most will scoff and hate at that idea and that's fine. I wont chance denying my inhertance and being in the family of Christ lol.
To demonstrate this common hatred, I posted some Talmud teachings of Mary:
Sanhedrin 106a Says Jesus' mother was a ****: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."
Shabbath 104b States Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had *** with many men.
People were also saying Mary's bloodine wasnt verified which is absurd. Do you know what 'a virgin' really means during those times? The Muslims know. The Church was more than happy to change it to 'young maiden' despite the unfound calims. But lets just say the 12 year old girl would have had her geneology verified garunteed and also would have been sinless. People just seem to reach for anything it's amazing.
My big issue though is how Mary is denied, yet Sarah somehow gets a pass. And she gets the title of Mother and no one complaints. But with Mary you are asking for a boxing match.
I asked them "ok, how did Sarah get pregnant"? And it's like how dare I ask. After maybe 10 minutes of them not understanding the question, finally the answer was God 'willed it', 'allowed it', or 'spoke it' into happening. Then an American born Muslim comes in defending Mary. He actually then stumbles on evidence which demontrates Sarah likely had reproductive issues (barren woman).
As commentary suggests, obviously Sarah needed the 'hand of God' to ensure the pregnancy. The same one that made Adam and Eve. However, they refused to admit this possibility.
But for some reason Sarah gets a special, uncontested miracle pregnancy and also the Mother title. Sometimes you'll see nic's like 'DaughterOfSarah', 'SarahsDaughter'.
If Inheritance runs from the fathers side, and Mary is Jesus mother, then imagine the inhertance given from the Father lol?
I'm curious where the inner hate and denial for Mary comes from? Why do people hate the idea of calling Mary their mother? Where does this distance come from?
No, it's not. There is nothing derogatory about attesting to Mary being the birth mother of Christ (and isn't that automatically to say that she is special?). And if that is her role, then that is her role. There was no putdown in stating the Biblical POV on the matter without any embellishments.That's derogatory.
Apparently, you are speaking for your own particular use of such terminology. For everyone else, "birth mother" means the one who gave physical birth to the person in question as opposed to someone who raises the child but did not give birth to him. Or would you prefer that we refer to Mary as the one who, from all eternity, created the Second Person of the Trinity? I'd hope not.She was not a "vessel" or "birth mother" as if she were some kind of surrogate.
That's derogatory. Mary was the mother of Jesus. She was not a "vessel" or "birth mother" as if she were some kind of surrogate.
Mary is the mother of Jesus and He knows her as His mother in His humanity. Jesus is FULLY GOD and FULLY MAN. Think about that, He is still fully man. That means in that she remains His mother, always.
I dont think Christians hate Mary, I think the problem is when others put her in such a way to the point like the are worshiping her. The bible says to pray to the father, NOT pray to Mary.
No, it's not. There is nothing derogatory about attesting to Mary being the birth mother of Christ (and isn't that automatically to say that she is special?). And if that is her role, then that is her role. There was no putdown in stating the Biblical POV on the matter without any embellishments.
Apparently, you are speaking for your own particular use of such terminology. For everyone else, "birth mother" means the one who gave physical birth to the person in question as opposed to someone who raises the child but did not give birth to him. Or would you prefer that we refer to Mary as the one who, from all eternity, created the Second Person of the Trinity? I'd hope not.
I dont think Christians hate Mary, I think the problem is when others put her in such a way to the point like the are worshiping her. The bible says to pray to the father, NOT pray to Mary.
The bible says not to ask people to pray for us? I missed that one.
The Mary some people hate would be the false Mary of Catholic doctrines such as coredemptrix, or immaculate conception or bodily assumption, perpetual virginity or the hail Mary prayer asking Mary to pray for you.
All that extra contrived fiction, doctrine of men, non of which is biblically based.
Mary Queen of Heaven, crowned by the Trinity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_of_the_Virgin_(Velázquez)
Anyone think this is blasphemous? Why do you think MEN would elevate Mary like this?
That Mary gave birth to Jesus who was God incarnate--as the Gospel of Luke records--is somehow the ""Gnostic" view?That's not a biblical point of view. It's a Gnostic one.
Wow. I guess we have more work to do here than I first thought.She did not give birth to him and that was it.
That Mary gave birth to Jesus who was God incarnate--as the Gospel of Luke records--is somehow the ""Gnostic" view?
Wow. I guess we have more work to do here than I first thought.
That's derogatory. Mary was the mother of Jesus. She was not a "vessel" or "birth mother" as if she were some kind of surrogate.
Mary is the mother of Jesus and He knows her as His mother in His humanity. Jesus is FULLY GOD and FULLY MAN. Think about that, He is still fully man. That means in that she remains His mother, always.
Those saying He is "beside Himself" are already with Him (verse 21).
It is after the interchange with the scribes (verse 22 on) that Mark writes:
Then came (erxontai/arrived) the brothers and His mother ... (verse 31)
I am puzzled why this thread is not on the Mariology board. I think the bizarre assertion of the OP has been fully answered. I have yet to see any poster on this thread that hates Mary.
Or you do not understand what those are, as is usually the case.
"She did not give birth to him and that was it. She did more than expel Him from her body."
I don't appreciate your straw man either.
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