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Not to mention the innumerable Bathtub Virgins I see very frequently.
I can easily appreciate your point. Our friend may unintentionally be saying that some devotees congratulate themselves for relating to Mary as though she were a demi-god, even though any mention of the term routinely brings a shocked denial.
I am not sure what may be confusing about my post.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive and, yes, Catholics also describe her in similar terms. The discussion here merely bent the facts in order to substantiate an accusation that isn't valid.The problem is when some protestants say Mary was just the birth mother of Jesus, or "just a "vessel God used", denying that Mary was the mother of Jesus.
OK, then let's at least be honest enough to speak to the issue or problem of certain Gnostics. What we've seen here is a broadside against Protestants, not Gnostics, and Protestants are not Gnostics.This is important as certain groups have denied the humanity of Jesus in the past. They made out (quasi-Gnostics) Jesus as being God in human appearance.
Well, the same can be said of Catholicism, too, but some of us are not eager to paint a whole church with a brush that is intended for a tiny, unrepresentative sect here or there. You might consider adopting the same policy.Protestantism revived elements of Gnosticism some taking on more elements than others.
OK, then let's at least be honest enough to speak to the issue or problem of certain Gnostics. What we've seen here is a broadside against Protestants, not Gnostics, and Protestants are not Gnostics.
I am not sure what may be confusing about my post.
The problem is when some protestants denying that Mary was the mother of Jesus.
Please document that all Protestants deny that Mary was the mother of Jesus, and the rationale for THAT documenting that therefore they specially HATE Mary (the sole issue of this thread - that HATE).
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many of them say that Mary is the "earthly mother of Jesus"
many of them say that Mary is the "earthly mother of Jesus"
many of them say that Mary is the "earthly mother of Jesus"
I could not even document that all Protestants believe in the Trinity
you have the Oneness Pentecostals and a few other sects that deny the Trinity
Well THAT'S an awfully broad statement. Considering any orthodox Protestant denomination would agree with each other on all of the basic tenets, I'd say your assertion isn't correct. Do they all agree with 100% of everything? Of course not, but then again neither does the RCC. I posted before a link to the USCCB, which plainly crates that the woman of Revelation 12 is not Mary, yet I've continuously seen it affirmed that the RCC teaches that it is. We're all human Rham, so sometimes we disagree.no, I can not document that ALL Protestants refer to Mary as this, in fact, the various Lutheran denominations tend be more respectful to the Blessed Mother
Protestants are not united in any belief, so I can not find documentation on this
do you call your mother "my earthly mother"?
it is an unneeded qualifier meant to demean
No, it's to qualify that we don't believe that God had a mother in the sense of another deity. Did Mary not give birth to Jesus here on earth? Was not the God the Son, the deity of the hypostatic union, not present since eternity past? Therefore she is His earthly mother. To say otherwise is to ascribe some aspect of deity to her, and while she is blessed and I love her for bearing Jesus, I will not ascribe any aspect of God to her. She is a creature as we all are.
Mary is a creature, no one is disagreeing with you, so there is no need to make the distinction
so do you call your mother "your earthly mother"?
does Jesus have a Divine Mother as well? is that why we have to distinguish Mary as the earthly Mother?
since Jesus only has one mother, we can just say "the mother of Jesus"
or we can say "the mother of God" because Jesus is God
No, we say the mother of Jesus. Jesus is the God man. He is God, but she did not give birth to God. The Father and Holy Spirit were not born, correct? Only God the Son, who in the hypostatic union, took on a human nature. That still leaves 2/3 of the Trinity.lol.
I wonder if CaliforniaJosiah would agree 100 percent with this statement.
As long as we're talking about Mary being the mother of Jesus, I have a question I'd like others to ponder and share their opinion.
Of course, in biblical times, people didn't know about sperm cells and egg cells as a part of procreation. So we don't have a definitive Bible statement about those details in Christ's birth.
Did Jesus come into Mary's womb as a completely new egg in fertilized condition, or was one of Mary's eggs used as the starting point for the incarnation of Jesus?
I'd love to hear folks share their thoughts on that.
Now that can go both ways.
No, we do not go by private interpretation. We look at the whole as it has been taught since the beginning.
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