Why does a good God allow pain and suffering to exist in this world?

[Ace777]

There was no Catholic Church until the 4th century.

A lot of churches believe in apostolic succession. Catholic means universal church and the church began when Peter was peaching on Pentacost. Are you talking about the Roman Catholic church. Because there is a whole book in the Bible written to the Romans. Are you talking about the Edict of Milan?

 

[Neogaia777]

A lot of churches believe in apostolic succession. Catholic means universal church and the church began when Peter was peaching on Pentacost. Are you talking about the Roman Catholic church. Because there is a whole book in the Bible written to the Romans. Are you talking about the Edict of Milan?

Before the Roman Catholic Church, the word Catholic was never used to apply to any of followers of Jesus Christ, or Christians. But they were simply known as Christians, or followers of Jesus Christ, or followers of "The Way".

The word "Catholic" never appears/appeared until the Roman Catholic Church was first formed during the fourth century, regardless of what any other professing Catholics might believe, etc.

And I don't believe in apostolic succession when it comes to Catholics, or the Pope, or anyone else in the Roman Catholic Church. The original Apostles, are the original Apostles, and no one else is, or is not, etc. I believe Catholics only made that up in order to claim the same kind of power and/or authority, etc.

And, yes, I'm very aware that there is a entire book in the Bible called Romans, thank you very much.

God Bless.

 

[Ace777]

And I don't believe in apostolic succession

In the anglo churches like the Methodist and Episcopal when you join the church the bishop lays on hands because of apostolic succession.

 

[Ace777]

And, yes, I'm very aware that there is a entire book in the Bible called Romans, thank you very much.

Ok so you are saying the name Catholic did not exist because the church has been there from the beginning.

 

[Neogaia777]

Ok so you are saying the name Catholic did not exist because the church has been there from the beginning.

The church was a whole lot different before the name or title "Catholic" ever got involved, which only started with the Roman Catholic Church, etc.

 

[Neogaia777]

In the anglo churches like the Methodist and Episcopal when you join the church the bishop lays on hands because of apostolic succession.

And yet nowhere is the Bible/scriptures is apostolic succession ever mentioned at all, etc.

Laying on of hands, by the power of the Holy Spirit, yes, but not the concept/idea/theory of apostolic succession at all, etc.

 

[Ace777]

And yet nowhere is the Bible/scriptures is apostolic succession ever mentioned at all, etc.

Do you know of anyone that has gotten saved that no one was a part of? You seem to think we do not need each other and nothing can be further from the truth.

 

[Neogaia777]

Do you know of anyone that has gotten saved that no one was a part of? You seem to think we do not need each other and nothing can be further from the truth.

How did you take that to mean that?

I just simply meant that there are not any more actual Apostles anymore now, etc.

We do need each other, and we can all still have the Holy Spirit, and His gifts, etc, it's just that anyone who was an Apostle, and therefore carried the same authority/witness as them, ended with the twelve, etc.

What offends me about the way the Catholic Church tried to use it, was to expressly claim that they were of a higher authority than any others, when we are not, but are all on equal footing in Christ, even the Pope, etc.

Even the original twelve did not ever do this, and they were a higher authority than anyone else, with the exception of Jesus Christ, etc.

The Catholic Church, and many other churches also, claim apostolic succession in order to make or create a hierarchy out it, and that is not the true way for all the true followers of Jesus Christ, etc.

By doing that, they rob Christianity of what was originally intended by Jesus Christ, etc.

It's also how they start to become corrupt, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Ace777]

I just simply meant that there are not any more actual Apostles anymore now, etc.

Did you ever read in Acts 8 17 about the laying on of hands? Peter and John then placed their hands on everyone who had faith in the Lord, and they were given the Holy Spirit.

 

[Neogaia777]

Did you ever read in Acts 8 17 about the laying on of hands? Peter and John then placed their hands on everyone who had faith in the Lord, and they were given the Holy Spirit.

I thought I mentioned that earlier, etc.

But yes, a believer in Jesus Christ, who has the Holy Spirit, can lay hands on you, and pray for you to recieve the Holy Spirit, but anyone who is a believer, and who has the Holy Spirit, can do this, etc, but it is not the only way to receive the Holy Spirit, etc.

But this hierarchy business, at least under the New Covenant anyway, is not of God, and I don't know that those participating in it truly have the true Holy Spirit, or truly know the true Holy Spirit, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Larniavc]

What is the difference between a rock and a plant? The plants need sun but even we are made up of the elements of this earth. What the Bible calls dust and science calls star stuff.

I'm sorry but your flight of ideas is too much for me. Plants have metabolism; rocks don't.

 

[Valletta]

e.

Before the Roman Catholic Church, the word Catholic was never used to apply to any of followers of Jesus Christ, or Christians. But they were simply known as Christians, or followers of Jesus Christ, or followers of "The Way".

There is no "Roman Catholic Church." The term "Catholic" appears to have used around the end of the first century. It is well accepted that "catholic," which has been pointed out means "universal," was probably used to distinguish Catholics and the Catholic Church from the various heretical religions that were springing up.

 

[Valletta]

And I don't believe in apostolic succession when it comes to Catholics, or the Pope, or anyone else in the Roman Catholic Church. The original Apostles, are the original Apostles, and no one else is, or is not, etc. I believe Catholics only made that up in order to claim the same kind of power and/or authority, etc.

Study the Bible. You will see that when Judas died he was replaced. Likewise Jesus paralleled words from Isaiah in giving the first pope the keys to the kingdom. Isaiah chronicles the giving of the keys to the kingdom to the prime minister. There also you can read that when the office of prime minister became vacant a new prime minister was chosen. There were also many other ministers besides the prime minister. Catholics consider the Bible as being God-breathed, the Word of God. It is not something Catholics made up.

 

[Neogaia777]

Study the Bible. You will see that when Judas died he was replaced. Likewise Jesus paralleled words from Isaiah in giving the first pope the keys to the kingdom. Isaiah chronicles the giving of the keys to the kingdom to the prime minister. There also you can read that when the office of prime minister became vacant a new prime minister was chosen. There were also many other ministers besides the prime minister. Catholics consider the Bible as being God-breathed, the Word of God. It is not something Catholics made up.

Apostolic succession is something Roman Catholics, who didn't come about until the 4th century, made up. It is not found anywhere in the Bible.

There was no first Pope/Bishop of Rome until the 4th century.

I never said the Word of God was made up.

 

[Neogaia777]

e.

There is no "Roman Catholic Church." The term "Catholic" appears to have used around the end of the first century. It is well accepted that "catholic," which has been pointed out means "universal," was probably used to distinguish Catholics and the Catholic Church from the various heretical religions that were springing up.

From chat GPT A.I.

Early Christians had multiple names for themselves, including "The Way", "disciples", and "Christians":

The Way
Early Jewish Christians called themselves "The Way" (ἡ ὁδός), which may have come from Isaiah 40:3, "prepare the way of the LORD". This term is important because Christianity was seen as a journey and path, rather than just a religion.

Disciples
Before being called Christians, Jesus's followers were called "disciples" or "students" of Jesus of Nazareth.

Christians
The term "Christian" (Χριστιανός) was first used in Antioch in the 30s AD to refer to Jesus's disciples, meaning "follower of Christ". The term spread quickly, possibly to the dismay of some Jewish people who did not want to acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah. Ignatius of Antioch was the first to use the term "Christianity" (Χριστιανισμός) around 100 AD.

 

[Neogaia777]

@Valletta

First use of the word of term Catholic

The term "Catholic Church" was first used in writing by Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans around 110 AD. The letter was written in about 107 AD while Ignatius was being escorted to Rome for execution for his Christian faith. In the letter, Ignatius wrote, "Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" (To the Smyrnaeans 8:2). The term "Catholic Church" literally translates to "universal church", and the word "Catholic" comes from the Greek word katholikos, which also means "universal". Ignatius may have used the term to describe the scope of Christ's mission and the extent of his community.

And I would add that it has strayed very, very far from it's original meaning and definition it had originally, and that that happened rather quickly, etc.

Probably around the time that all Christians were no longer 100% completely equal to one another probably, etc.

 

[Neogaia777]

@Valletta

Does the Bible say that Peter was the first Pope?

Chat GPT

No, the Bible does not say that Peter was the first pope. In fact, scripture does not indicate that Peter was in authority over the other apostles or the church, and it doesn't explicitly mention Peter ever being in Rome.

Wikipedia

Primacy of Peter - Wikipedia

There is no biblical or historical evidence for the claims of the Roman Catholic church that Peter was the first Pope.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Peter was the first pope because they believe Jesus chose him to build his church on. However, some say that Peter was not the first pope for a number of reasons, including:
Peter was not the head of the church: The Bible only refers to Christ as the head of the church.
Peter is not the foundation of the church: In 1 Corinthians 3:11, Paul says that Christ is the foundation of the church, not Peter.
Peter was not the head apostle: All the apostles were equal in authority.
Other reasons that some say Peter was not the first pope include:
Scripture doesn't state that the apostles' authority was passed on to those they ordained to keep the church from error.
The word "rock" (petra) in the Bible grammatically refers to a small part of a ledge, not a boulder.

There is no biblical or historical evidence for the claims of the Roman Catholic church that Peter was the first pope.
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia › wiki › P...
Primacy of Peter -

 

[Neogaia777]

@Valletta

Look, all of the churches have strayed from what Jesus Christ originally intended when they started to give themselves special titles and created a hierarchy where some followers of Jesus Christ were more important, or were more special, or were said to carry more authority than other followers of Christianty or "The Way", etc. Since that time, they have all been corrupt, and have all become corrupted, and do not truly know God, or Jesus, or God the Holy Spirit, and I do not think ever had Him or His true anointing.

The early commoners, or common Christians, were the only ones truly following or walking in "The Way", etc.

It was quickly lost to the ages for a time after what I just now mentioned started happening, etc.

We are all to always be 100% totally equal to one another in Christ always, etc. And I do mean "all of us", "always", etc.

That was the only real true "Way" followed by the original followers of "The Way", etc, which were just plain simple common folk after the Apostles mainly, etc.

Christianity everywhere quickly became corrupted when this was no longer the case, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Valletta]

@Valletta

Look, all of the churches have strayed from what Jesus Christ originally intended when they started to give themselves special titles and created a hierarchy where some followers of Jesus Christ were more important, or were more special, or were said to carry more authority than other.followers of "The Way", etc. Since that time, they have all been corrupt, and have all become corrupted, and do not truly know God, or Jesus, or God the Holy Spirit, and I do not think ever had Him or His true anointing.

The early commoners, or common Christians, were the only ones truly following or walking in "The Way", etc.

It was quickly lost to the ages for a time after what I just now mentioned started happening, etc.

We are all to always be 100% totally equal in Christ always, etc.

That was the only real true "Way" followed by the original followers of "The Way", etc, which were just plain simple common folk after the Apostles mainly, etc.

Christianity everywhere quickly became corrupted when that was no longer the case, etc.

God Bless.

The Church had bishops from the very beginning, and roles have various degrees of authority. Your theory that the Way people were not corrupt and then "since that time, they have all been corrupt" is not supported by the Bible. To the contrary, we know there were some incredibly holy saints since that time. Also, don't confuse the position or role someone is given with their holiness. A person may do a good job or a bad job in their position in life, and Jesus is our judge.

 

[Valletta]

@Valletta

Does the Bible say that Peter was the first Pope?

As I have said so many times, Wikipedia should not be used for any subject where there is disagreement or controversy. I use Wikipedia maps for finding cities and counties, but I know that Wikipedia is highly slanted and anyone can go out and write what they wish. Learn that. If you want to start a new thread about what the Bible says about Peter being the first pope please do so, that has been discussed many times before but strays from the specific subject of this thread.