Why does "15 Questions for Evolutionists" brochure confuse the meaning of "evolution?

[AV1611VET]

I don't think that anyone is claiming that there was a local flood for a year as high as the mountains AV. That is the usual word games you play.

When people say it is most likely people recounting the story of a large flood in that area (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Mesopotamien.png/800px-Karte_Mesopotamien.png)

You can see that there are several rivers and tributaries all running into a floodplain. There is evidence of silt deposits on this floodplain consistent with loclised flooding. There is evidence that the local population used dams to control the flow of water in this area.

All good evidence for localised flooding in that area. Of course that doesn't match what the Bible says so.... why am I bothering?

But this is my whole point, loktai.

Saying the Flood was just a local one eventually has a person having to deny other points made by the Bible, and then other points, and then other points; until finally, one doesn't believe the Bible at all, or has It so allegorized they can't use It for anything but a paperweight ... or underarm ornamentation to and from church.

 

[RickG]

It's full of criticism.

QV please: Black Sea Deluge criticism.

The site says it covered 60,000 square miles, but if it only covered it to a depth of 10 feet ... big deal ... your Black Sea Deluge can take a hike.

Going back to the link, I don't see a reference to only 10 feet at all. I think you may have mistakenly taken "reference 10" to mean 10 feet. I think the lowest amount cited was 30 meters, that's just under 100 ft.

 

[AV1611VET]

I remember being part of an exercise in grad school that demonstrated just that. The entire class except for one student was asked to leave the room. The instructor read a short story to the one person left behind. One at a time one person would come back and was told the story by the person that just heard it. Each time it was told it changed little by little. The really interesting thing was that the earliest participants got to see how the story "evolved". After the last person was told the story, the original story was read to the entire class which didn't resemble in the least what it had finally evolved to.

Yes ... that's played all the time here.

It's called The Telephone Game, Chinese Whispers, or my favorite: Arab Phone.

 

[AV1611VET]

The flood is just another story like many others in the Bible that grew with the telling.

And yet, God promised never to flood the earth like that again.

How many times has He broken his promise then?

Do you really expect me to believe you guys?

 

[AV1611VET]

Going back to the link, I don't see a reference to only 10 feet at all.

Yes, I know. I made up the "10 feet" myself to make my point.

 

[RickG]

And yet, God promised never to flood the earth like that again.

How many times has He broken his promise then?

Do you really expect me to believe you guys?

Once again. It is an allegory, not a factual event. You are misinterpreting the fallible word of man over the infallible physical evidence left by God.

 

[loktai]

But this is my whole point, loktai.

Saying the Flood was just a local one eventually has a person having to deny other points made by the Bible, and then other points, and then other points; until finally, one doesn't believe the Bible at all, or has It so allegorized they can't use It for anything but a paperweight ... or underarm ornamentation to and from church.

That is what I did, I was brought up as a christian, went to sunday school and a mid week christian youth club, went to church every week, was bullied in school for my beliefs but still defended them.

I believed in Noah's ark - David vs Goliath - Sampson and all the rest of it, 100% but I had never, ever questioned it. I was told this information by my family, my friends and other people I looked up to and respected.

It was only as I got older and looked at the world with my own eyes that I found I could not reconcile what was in the Bible with reality and that the stories were likely just that - stories. The same as the other myths and legends I read about (I read lots of books on Greek mythology).

So when presented with evidence (or lack of) that showed those stories to be false, I believed the evidence. I can go and look at it myself and not just take it on faith. I'm not a scientst but I understand the general concepts of the theories presented and find they do a much better job of explaining the world we live in and the universe than any religion.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

And yet, God promised never to flood the earth like that again.

How many times has He broken his promise then?

Do you really expect me to believe you guys?

That doesn't really prove there is a God, nor does it prove the flood was local.

I have one question, though. Where did the water come from?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm not a scientst but I understand the general concepts of the theories presented and find they do a much better job of explaining the world we live in and the universe than any religion.

Really?

And what is Mother Nature's explanation for 'your family, your friends and other people you looked up to' for not following in your footsteps?

 

[AV1611VET]

That doesn't really prove there is a God, nor does it prove the flood was local.

I have one question, though. Where did the water come from?

Some of it came from space.

Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Some of it came from space.

Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

I think you misunderstand. When I asked the question, I kind of expected it to be answered with some kind of evidence. But as always it seems, for you that is too much to ask.

I think I can handle my own answers ... thanks.

I doubt it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think you misunderstand. When I asked the question, I kind of expected it to be answered with some kind of evidence. But as always it seems, for you that is too much to ask.

You asked me where the water came from, and I said "space."

What do you want? a map?

 

[AV1611VET]

Or perhaps the writer recorded it incorrectly.

And God just let it happen, then preserved it for all future generations to read?

 

[RickG]

And God just let it happen, then preserved it for all future generations to read?

Yup! God didn't create the bible, man did. They debated for years what was and was not scripture and what would and would not be included in it. Many sects of Christianity grew out of that discussion because they could not come to complete agreement.

 

[AV1611VET]

I believe God too, but the story wasn't told or written by God, rather man.

Why did God sign It, then?

Revelation 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

 

[AV1611VET]

Yup! God didn't create the bible, man did. They debated for years what was and was not scripture and what would and would not be included in it. Many sects of Christianity grew out of that discussion because they could not come to complete agreement.

Is this supposed to be an answer to my rebuttal that perhaps the writers wrote it incorrectly?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you know how much kinetic energy that that much water coming from space would have?

None?

 

[Subduction Zone]

None?

Wrong, try again.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wrong, try again.

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[AV1611VET]

So when you say "Space" how far out in space and how much of the water that covered the Earth. We would need over 5 miles of water to cover the Earth globally.

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