Why do you think the sabbath is always such a 'hot topic'?

[ThomasDa]

The Sabbath is a day isn’t it?

Jesus told us that the Sabbath was made for man not God. He told us he is Lord of the Sabbath, and he showed by his example that it was no longer a law. .

Jesus' example was to always keep the Sabbaths, and we are to follow His example.

You cant just make things up. That doesn't make them true.

 

[Timothew]

Jesus' example was to always keep the Sabbaths, and we are to follow His example.

You cant just make things up. That doesn't make them true.

"Some of the Pharisees asked, 'why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?'" (Luke 6:2)

Evidently, there were some who believed He did not always keep the Sabbath.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

"Some of the Pharisees asked, 'why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?'" (Luke 6:2)

Evidently, there were some who believed He did not always keep the Sabbath.

For those sabbatarians who keep the Sabbath, what is and is not lawful for them to do? Thanks

 

[Giver]

Jesus' example was to always keep the Sabbaths, and we are to follow His example.

You cant just make things up. That doesn't make them true.

(Matthew 12:1-8) “ At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath." He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? I tell you that one] greater than the temple is here. If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Just to make sure that you see what Jesus said I would point out that he told us the disciples were innocent of breaking any law.

 

[Stryder06]

The Sabbath is a day isn’t it?

Jesus told us that the Sabbath was made for man not God. He told us he is Lord of the Sabbath, and he showed by his example that it was no longer a law. Now if you want to keep the Sabbath for the Glory of God, go right ahead, but don’t put people down who don’t agree with you. that it is still a law.

Where exactly did Jesus, by example, show us that the sabbath was no longer a law?

For a Christian every day is holy. A Christian is a temple of God, and as such is always in God’s presence.

Who said that every day is holy. The bible states that there is only one holy day, and that day is the sabbath. Now I will totally agree with you that we should live our lives in a holy fashion each day because of who we are. But every day is not holy. If it were, we'd be unable to do any secular activities.

 

[Stryder06]

For those sabbatarians who keep the Sabbath, what is and is not lawful for them to do? Thanks

In a nutshell, we are to take care of all secular business before the sabbath. Anything that can be done should be done before the sabbath.

That 24hr period is suppose to be spent in worship and reflection. We also use this time to minister to others and to fellowship together.

As God asked us, we make the sabbath a delight. Nothing burdensome about.

 

[Giver]

Where exactly did Jesus, by example, show us that the sabbath was no longer a law?


Who said that every day is holy. The bible states that there is only one holy day, and that day is the sabbath. Now I will totally agree with you that we should live our lives in a holy fashion each day because of who we are. But every day is not holy. If it were, we'd be unable to do any secular activities.

It is obvious that you prefer to obey the Old Law, well go ahead, and my God bless you.

(Romans 14:2-6) “People range from those who believe they may eat any sort of meat to those whose faith is so weak they dare not eat anything except vegetables. Meat-eaters must not despise the scrupulous. On the other hand, the scrupulous must not condemn those who feel free to eat anything they choose, since God has welcomed them. It is not for you to condemn someone else’s servant: whether he stands or falls it is his own master’s business; he will stand you may be sure, because the Lord has power to make him stand. If one man keeps certain days as holier than others, and another considers all days to be equally holy, each must be left free to hold his own opinion.”

One bit of advice I would like to share. Before you go around telling people they are not living the Word of God, it would be wise to ask Jesus if what you believe is right.

 

[ThomasDa]

"Some of the Pharisees asked, 'why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?'" (Luke 6:2)

Evidently, there were some who believed He did not always keep the Sabbath.

Those people had added all kinds of requirments that God never intended.

They had added to God's word against His will.

They turned God's wonderful blessing of the Sabbath into a burden. That was never God's intent.

Jesus did not break the Sabbath no matter what these self righteous folks said or thought.

Don't call Jesus a sinner!

 

[Frogster]

Where exactly did Jesus, by example, show us that the sabbath was no longer a law?


Who said that every day is holy. The bible states that there is only one holy day, and that day is the sabbath. Now I will totally agree with you that we should live our lives in a holy fashion each day because of who we are. But every day is not holy. If it were, we'd be unable to do any secular activities.

As far as a law,it is quite clear.Scripture says,dont let them judge you for not keeping the Sabbath,dont let them insist on asceticism,etc.The context is clear.

If one thinks Paul is saying,"dont let them judge you for keeping it" then one has to presume Paul is saying it is ok worship angels.I say that because somene here implied paul was defending Sabbath keeping!

Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind.

 

[ThomasDa]

(Matthew 12:1-8) “ At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath." He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? I tell you that one] greater than the temple is here. If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Just to make sure that you see what Jesus said I would point out that he told us the disciples were innocent of breaking any law.

So, if you don't want to follow Jesus' example of keeping God's Sabbaths, then don't.

But Christians will continue to do their best to follow Jesus' example.

It boggles the mind that anyone would reject all the blessings that come from keeping God's Sabbaths, and it is such an easy thing to do. It's a whole lot easier that not lusting.

 

[visionary]

This topic is just as hot as homosexuality.

 

[RND]

The Sabbath is a day isn’t it?

Not just "a" day but "the" day - God calls the sabbath "His" day.

Exd 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:

Jesus told us that the Sabbath was made for man not God. He told us he is Lord of the Sabbath, and he showed by his example that it was no longer a law.

Just exactly how did Jesus do this?

Now if you want to keep the Sabbath for the Glory of God, go right ahead, but don’t put people down who don’t agree with you. that it is still a law.

I never pull people down. If people feel they are being "pulled down" it might be the conviction of the HS.

For a Christian every day is holy. A Christian is a temple of God, and as such is always in God’s presence.

So how does that notion, which has always been true BTW, change the fact that God's sabbath is the seventh-day and He asked for us to remember it?

 

[RND]

It is obvious that you prefer to obey the Old Law, well go ahead, and my God bless you.

(Romans 14:2-6) “People range from those who believe they may eat any sort of meat to those whose faith is so weak they dare not eat anything except vegetables. Meat-eaters must not despise the scrupulous. On the other hand, the scrupulous must not condemn those who feel free to eat anything they choose, since God has welcomed them. It is not for you to condemn someone else’s servant: whether he stands or falls it is his own master’s business; he will stand you may be sure, because the Lord has power to make him stand. If one man keeps certain days as holier than others, and another considers all days to be equally holy, each must be left free to hold his own opinion.”

One bit of advice I would like to share. Before you go around telling people they are not living the Word of God, it would be wise to ask Jesus if what you believe is right.

Wouldn't that work both ways? Before you tell people that they don't have to observe the sabbath shouldn't you have proof of that? BTW, do you consider the Ten Commandments of doubtful disputations?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This topic is just as hot as homosexuality.

Nah......Mary is a hotter topic than that

Mariology & Hagiography - Christian Forums
Mariology & Hagiography

 

[Giver]

Not just "a" day but "the" day - God calls the sabbath "His" day.
Now think about it you believe that the Sabbath is God’s Day. Did Jesus think the Sabbath was God’s Day? Read again what Jesus said about his day then.


(Mark 2:27) “And he said to them, ‘The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; so the Son of Man is master even of the Sabbath.”

Now to me that is telling us that the Sabbath was made for man. It was a special day for man, now all days are special for man, because God has mad his home in us.


(Matthew 12:1-8) “ At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath." He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? I tell you that one] greater than the temple is here. If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

 

[Giver]

Wouldn't that work both ways? Before you tell people that they don't have to observe the sabbath shouldn't you have proof of that? BTW, do you consider the Ten Commandments of doubtful disputations?

By the way yes it does go both ways and Jesus told me I was right. Trufully have you ever asked him? Have you ever heard him tell you to keep the Sabbath?

The Ten Commandments are relevant as completed by Jesus.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

By the way yes it does go both ways and Jesus told me I was right. Trufully have you ever asked him? Have you ever heard him tell you to keep the Sabbath?

The Ten Commandments are relevant as completed by Jesus.

I think they answered that on this other Sabbath thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7399478/
We keep the sabbath because God asked us to

 

[RND]

Now think about it you believe that the Sabbath is God’s Day. Did Jesus think the Sabbath was God’s Day? Read again what Jesus said about his day then.


(Mark 2:27) “And he said to them, ‘The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; so the Son of Man is master even of the Sabbath.”

So then Jesus is saying He is God, I agree. Jesus is God. I mean He did write the Ten Commandments with His finger did He not?

Now to me that is telling us that the Sabbath was made for man. It was a special day for man, now all days are special for man, because God has mad his home in us.

Where does scripture tell us that it "was" a special day but is no longer a special day? Where does scripture ever say, "Forget the sabbath...it's no longer Holy"? Where are we ever shown in scripture that the day God sanctified, set apart and made Holy was changed and thus no longer sanctified, set apart and made Holy?

(Matthew 12:1-8) “ At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath." He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? I tell you that one] greater than the temple is here. If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Question: Who's law was Jesus accused of breaking?

 

[Stryder06]

It is obvious that you prefer to obey the Old Law, well go ahead, and my God bless you.

(Romans 14:2-6) “People range from those who believe they may eat any sort of meat to those whose faith is so weak they dare not eat anything except vegetables. Meat-eaters must not despise the scrupulous. On the other hand, the scrupulous must not condemn those who feel free to eat anything they choose, since God has welcomed them. It is not for you to condemn someone else’s servant: whether he stands or falls it is his own master’s business; he will stand you may be sure, because the Lord has power to make him stand. If one man keeps certain days as holier than others, and another considers all days to be equally holy, each must be left free to hold his own opinion.”

It's obvious that this isn't an answer to the question. It's not about follownig the old law. Admit it or not my brother, but we are both in the same boat when it comes to obedience to the law. The problem is how much of the law to obey.

Your quotation of Romans is taken out of context. Is it ok to eat the flesh of humans? If no than obviously Paul isn't saying that those who choose to eat mean are welcomed by God to eat whatever they want. Established rules need not be reitterated, especially to those who already know them. Same goes with the sabbath. The day God made holy will remain Holy unless He says otherwise. The feasts which pointed to Christ and were fulfilled by Him need not to be kept, but some choose to do so. These sabbaths are the issue of controversy, not the seventh day sabbath. Had Paul and the other disciples openly been advocating disregard for the sabbath day the priests and rulers who wanted them dead would have had just cause against them. Just as they tried to call Jesus a lawbreaker, they would have done the same to His disciples were they advocating an unbiblical day of worship over the biblically established day of worship.

One bit of advice I would like to share. Before you go around telling people they are not living the Word of God, it would be wise to ask Jesus if what you believe is right.

If you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15)

Here is the patience of the saints, here are they which keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus (Rev 14:12)

Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples (Isa 8:16)

But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlsting upon them that fear Him, and his righteousness unto children's children's; To such as keep His commandments to do them. (Psalms 103:17,18)

The works of His hands are verity and judgment; all His commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth in uprightness (Psalms 111:7,8)

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners nor sitteth in the seat of the scronful. But his delight is in the law of the Lord, an in His law doth he meditate day and night. (Psalms 1:1,2)

12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 712)


It seems clear that the scriptures place a huge amount of importance upon not just the law itself, but keeping it. So yeah, I don't have to ask Jesus if I'm right, the scriptures let me know that I am.

Is it possible to throw out one text of scripture? To say we no longer have to keep the sabbath, without scriptural support, means you have to throw out one scripture in favor of the other. One scripture is all that I ask for to show that sunday replaced the sabbath of creations.

On a side not, does no one else find it interesting that the most controversial commandment is the one dealing with worship and that outlines God as creator and Master of all? Satan's campaign has always been to receive worship. He tried in heaven and failed, and now he is trying on earth, and it's sad and scarry to see how well he is succeding.

(Disclaimer: I am not saying that those who worship on sunday are worshiping the devil.)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*

(Disclaimer: I am not saying that those who worship on sunday are worshiping the devil.)

Are there any sabbatarians that do view it that way?