Why Do You Reject God?

[Chaplain David]

I don't know. I can't claim there is or isn't one because that is arrogant. We do not know. I don't believe because I find it unlikely/no reason for a god.

It is not arrogant to proclaim the truth of our Triune God. Some of us do know and are hoping and praying others will listen to the stirrings of the Holy Spirit in their lives. The last sentence I understand but have seen many change their mind. I hope that you do. God bless everyone.

 

[Gath]

I'm fairly surprised an intelligent and rational human has been tricked into believing intelligence came from un-intelligence and rationality from chaos. I'm surprised how seriously people take atheism.

Well, when you say that, you're solving the 'problem of complexity' by invoking an even more complex being. If you're saying human intelligent can't come from un-intelligence, where does God's intelligence come from?

I reject God because of numerous things including
1. Evolution
2. The Big Bang
3. Lack of Evidence
4. Contradictions in the Bible
5. Occam's Razor (Why assume God exists when he doesn't have to?)

 

[mentalkitty789]

So why do you? What rational thoughts, or scientific breakthroughs, or personal experiences have taken God and thrown Him out the window of existence?

The first thing is that there is nothing to prove god, or at the very least a specific god. So I don't see the point in embracing what appears to be little more than a fairytale or lie. This is some that leads to my rejection of faiths and religions in general. For Christianity specifically, the claims about god and his behavior in the bible, and the reality we live in, seem very counter to the claims of love and kindness, in other words contradictory.
He loves us, but sends those who don't worship him to eternal punishment, for finite crimes? It is absurd and sadistic in my eyes, along with many other actions he takes in the bible.

 

[omanid]

I've always thought He chooses us, Girder....

John 6:44..

 

[StickwithJesus]

1. Evolution

Takes a lot of faith to believe you came from a rock

2. The Big Bang

How did nothing explode?

3. Lack of Evidence

The alternative (the two at the top of your list) remain highly improbable theories

4. Contradictions in the Bible

If you told ten people to give an account of something they witnessed a week after they saw it; they would probably give you fairly accurate reports which would be different from the others while still portraying the truth.

I think

5. Occam's Razor (Why assume God exists when he doesn't have to?)

Well if he didn't exist; assuming God is the reason for our existence, then you wouldn't exist now either.

 

[mentalkitty789]

Takes a lot of faith to believe you came from a rock



How did nothing explode?

That is Abiogensis you're talking about, it has NOTHING to do with evolution. Evolution only states how creatures developed after whatever event that created the first one. So I wonder if you really understand it.

The Big Bang Theory, has NOTHING to do with an actual explosion. It has to do with the rapid expansion of a singularity, and this only explains how reality as we know it came into being. Was there something before completely alien to our reasoning and our thinking? Possibly, we have yet to develop a way to see what, if anything, was before the big bang.

 

[Gath]

Takes a lot of faith to believe you came from a rock

Really?
1. Adaptation has been proven and observed to occur, such as with bacteria that can process the by-products of nylon. (Which was not made until the 1900s) If adaptation exists, evolution isn't any more of a stretch than assuming meters exist once you have learned about the centimeter.
2. It has been scientifically tested and proven that single-celled organisms can develop into multi-cellular organisms.
3. Natural selection has been demonstrated over and over again.
4. Fossils show a progression from more primitive creatures leading up to the modern forms.
5. Convergent evolution shows how certain creatures that are completely unrelated develop similar traits because these traits are most beneficial to their survival.
6. Ring species leave a clear trace of how evolutionary processes can create different species.
7. Experiments have been done to show that it is likely that it is possible for amino acids to form in the early Earth atmosphere, which would lead to abiogenesis.

So it isn't like there's a lack of evidence there, and in fact, it doesn't really require any faith at all, besides the faith that the entire scientific community is lying to us. (I've only written a small sample, I recommend Why Evolution is True by Jerry Coyne)

How did nothing explode?

How does God exist?

There are unanswerable questions on both sides. However, I'll admit that-we have absolutely no idea why matter exploded. (There are a few hypotheses, but that's it.)

What we do have, though, is a wealth of evidence that points to the fact that there was an explosion.
1. The expansion of the universe, as evidenced by redshift seen in other galaxies.
2. Cosmic-Microwave Background radiation, which can be seen from any direction around the earth and is exactly what we would expect to see if a huge explosion had taken place. (Incidentally, 1% of all the static on TVs is from this radiation, so you've probably seen it.)
3. The elemental makeup of the universe is consistent with predictions made. Again, assuming the big bang did happen, we would observe the same amount of each element. (For example, hydrogen and helium being very common.)

So we don't know everything, but the evidence points in one direction, so I'm going to accept it.

The alternative (the two at the top of your list) remain highly improbable theories

Highly improbable theories? Really? We really haven't begun to get into the BB yet, but all current evidence points towards it, while evolution is as much of a scientific fact as gravity.

If you told ten people to give an account of something they witnessed a week after they saw it; they would probably give you fairly accurate reports which would be different from the others while still portraying the truth.

That's true, so you can easily explain these contradictions-If the Bible was written by man. However, don't you believe that the Bible is the word of God? Why would the be contradictions in the Holy Book of a perfect God?

Well if he didn't exist; assuming God is the reason for our existence, then you wouldn't exist now either.

Assuming God is the reason for our existence, he has to exist because we exist. Ok, yeah, sure. But why would we assume God is the reason for our existence when there are better explanations?

 

[StickwithJesus]

So I wonder if you really understand it.

You're right, I don't really know anything about this other than the things I learned from Kent Hovind.

But than again my knowledge is surprisingly lacking.

Anyway sorry to cause offense to you guys. I've forgotten what it was like to debate with Atheists and although at one time I was able to do it quite effectively; I did find it was like metaphorically fighting a hydra; I don't have enough time or energy to reply to posts that are over a page long.

 

[Gath]

You're right, I don't really know anything about this other than the things I learned from Kent Hovind.

But than again my knowledge is surprisingly lacking.

Anyway sorry to cause offense to you guys. I've forgotten what it was like to debate with Atheists and although at one time I was able to do it quite effectively; I did find it was like metaphorically fighting a hydra; I don't have enough time or energy to reply to posts that are over a page long.

Don't feel like you were offensive. (to me at least) This place is called 'Christian Forums' for a reason, and I wouldn't be here if I didn't expect my beliefs to be attacked. In fact, that's why I'm here, so I can show other people why I think God is illogical and so that I can see if my reasoning holds up under questioning.

 

[StickwithJesus]

Don't feel like you were offensive. (to me at least) This place is called 'Christian Forums' for a reason, and I wouldn't be here if I didn't expect my beliefs to be attacked. In fact, that's why I'm here, so I can show other people why I think God is illogical and so that I can see if my reasoning holds up under questioning.

Would you be open to reading about some of my experiences with God; which doesn't involve me making something happen, but rather things happening around me because of something I have thought?

Sounds strange but I understand if you decline

 

[Gath]

Would you be open to reading about some of my experiences with God; which doesn't involve me making something happen, but rather things happening around me because of something I have thought?

Sounds strange but I understand if you decline

I'd be happy to. I will warn you that it is likely that I will dismiss any personal experiences you have had that 'prove' God in your view as coincidences, but I will certainly be interested in hearing why you believe.

 

[StickwithJesus]

I'd be happy to. I will warn you that it is likely that I will dismiss any personal experiences you have had that 'prove' God in your view as coincidences, but I will certainly be interested in hearing why you believe.

Well I'm glad that you will at least read them


About six months ago; around June last year I started searching for a new church because the one I had been attending for months had led me no-where as a Christian and I felt that the praise and worship was dead; so I looked for a church and I found one, but it was much further than I’m accustomed to traveling.

During this period I was marveling a certain Christian drummer called Aaron Gillespie; anyway when I went to this certain church I still had notion of drumming in my heart and I really wanted to drum. The church probably had around a hundred or two hundred people inside the building so I thought it was unusual when the drummer walked over to me and invited me to come and play on the drums. To my understanding and knowledge I was the first person he asked. I thought it was cool that he said just the right things to make me feel comfortable behind the drum-kit because you can imagine playing a new instrument in front of an experienced person is a little daunting.

Anyway after that I played on the drums whenever I could; I went to a different church after that and I played on the drums almost every single time I could get the opportunity; which amounted to once a week for a period of time of thirty minutes to a couple of hours.

At a certain point down the line I asked God for a drum-kit because I really wanted one and I didn’t have enough money to buy one. Anyway I didn’t really communicate this to anyone and on Christmas my parents purchased me a drum a kit which was weird because they told me to ask for something small because they didn’t have much money.
Please don’t think I demand things from my parents; I find it almost impossible to ask them for things because I love them and I would rather them spend the money on themselves than on me.

The funny part is that a couple of the people in my church are convinced that I’m the drummer that God wants to drum. I find it amazing and beautiful

Anyway I have a couple more stories; but this one is really beautiful to me.

 

[Gath]

Well I'm glad that you will at least read them


About six months ago; around June last year I started searching for a new church because the one I had been attending for months had led me no-where as a Christian and I felt that the praise and worship was dead; so I looked for a church and I found one, but it was much further than I’m accustomed to traveling.

During this period I was marveling a certain Christian drummer called Aaron Gillespie; anyway when I went to this certain church I still had notion of drumming in my heart and I really wanted to drum. The church probably had around a hundred or two hundred people inside the building so I thought it was unusual when the drummer walked over to me and invited me to come and play on the drums. To my understanding and knowledge I was the first person he asked. I thought it was cool that he said just the right things to make me feel comfortable behind the drum-kit because you can imagine playing a new instrument in front of an experienced person is a little daunting.

Anyway after that I played on the drums whenever I could; I went to a different church after that and I played on the drums almost every single time I could get the opportunity; which amounted to once a week for a period of time of thirty minutes to a couple of hours.

At a certain point down the line I asked God for a drum-kit because I really wanted one and I didn’t have enough money to buy one. Anyway I didn’t really communicate this to anyone and on Christmas my parents purchased me a drum a kit which was weird because they told me to ask for something small because they didn’t have much money.
Please don’t think I demand things from my parents; I find it almost impossible to ask them for things because I love them and I would rather them spend the money on themselves than on me.

The funny part is that a couple of the people in my church are convinced that I’m the drummer that God wants to drum. I find it amazing and beautiful

Anyway I have a couple more stories; but this one is really beautiful to me.

That's actually pretty awesome. I will admit that, if that happened in the way you described it, and if I was you, I would be pretty inclined to believe in God.

Unfortunately, I have had no such experiences and therefore have nothing that really 'proves' to me that God exists. When you couple this with the fact that most religious people I meet reject scientific ideas that are, in both my view and the view of the scientific community, as true as gravity. And then you have people who are religious and hate homosexuals, favor limiting rights, and want to push their religion onto others in public schools...well, I'll say that I disagree with the average Christian on both matters of science and politics. So, my experience with Christianity has not been good, to say the least.

 

[StickwithJesus]

That's actually pretty awesome. I will admit that, if that happened in the way you described it, and if I was you, I would be pretty inclined to believe in God.

It was really amazing; I talked to my Dad last night about it and apparently my parents wanted to get me a less expensive model than the one I have now and apparently that model was not available until April this year. So they upgraded to a more expensive version which was made affordable by the store owner splitting the difference.

I was a little shocked.

I have a lot more stories if you have time =]

Unfortunately, I have had no such experiences and therefore have nothing that really 'proves' to me that God exists. When you couple this with the fact that most religious people I meet reject scientific ideas that are, in both my view and the view of the scientific community, as true as gravity. And then you have people who are religious and hate homosexuals, favor limiting rights, and want to push their religion onto others in public schools...well, I'll say that I disagree with the average Christian on both matters of science and politics. So, my experience with Christianity has not been good, to say the least.

I understand where you are coming from; to be honest when I first approached the church I wasn't very impressed with the people and most of the time I didn't understand what they were saying. But the thing is I had a void in my life that needed filling because I was killing my self with all the rubbish I dumped into my soul; all the rubbish I watched, listened to and thought about.

It got so bad at one point that I almost killed myself. During that time; I said, "God if you're there, then stop this" within a couple of seconds my Mom appeared and she stopped me. Which was weird. I went through a huge period of self-loathing and hatred which was directed at others which God completely healed.

But the thing is; everyday I'm excited because I don't know what God is going to do. I'm happy now; which is amazing because I used to be very depressed and I feel peaceful all the time which is so good I can't describe. When I was younger I would have given anything for a moment of the peace I have now. it is amazing.

Don't let other people influence your decision about Christianity because if you look to people then they will always disappoint you.

 

[HarborOrange]

I've never rejected God. But, at this point, I have rejected Christianity, nearly all of its doctrines, and the church establishment. It's all wrong. Considering the fact that the "holiest" days of the year in Christianity are based entirely upon Paganism and the church has rejected the Law that God specifically said time and time again to never forget, I don't see any redeemable quality in the Christian church. Granted, there are some truly caring people in the Christian faith whom actually do good in the world, so all is not lost. However, I went to a private Lutheran high school, whence I met the meanest, most hateful, judgmental, shallow and evil people I have ever known. They all claimed to be Christians too, which made realize that it has become a surface lifestyle. Go to church on Sunday (which isn't even the Biblical Sabbath day anyway, so that's wrong too.) and listen to the pastor speak on one Bible verse that has been taken out of context, then go home and go live a sinful life- that's the life of the common Christian. Basically, I don't see much good in Christianity anymore, I found out that the majority of modern Christianity is actually based upon Paganism, and I have found most Christians are genuinely terrible people. Due to this, and the fact I've actually read the Bible in its entirety as of late, I've realized that Christianity is not the way.

 

[Gath]

I understand where you are coming from; to be honest when I first approached the church I wasn't very impressed with the people and most of the time I didn't understand what they were saying. But the thing is I had a void in my life that needed filling because I was killing my self with all the rubbish I dumped into my soul; all the rubbish I watched, listened to and thought about.

Well, I was a Catholic at one point, so this isn't the first time I've approached the church. I will say that I don't think I'm closing myself off from God (assuming he exists) because I'm still trying to see whether something can convince me he exists, (and I would much rather live in a universe with an awesome afterlife) but nothing has really stuck out so far.

I'd say that one reason I forgot to mention before is the supreme arrogance of religion (in my opinion.) The universe is 26 billion light years wide...think about that for a moment. That's huge. Huge to the point that no human can really comprehend how big it is.

A small statistic to help you understand-the distance from one end of the earth to the other is 5 quadrillionths of a percent of the the entire universe. In other words, 0.000.000.000.000.000.005%. That's how tiny the earth is, in comparison. And religious people really believe that everything in existence was created for humans-in other words, for that 5 quadrillionths of a percent? I'm sorry, but I find that very hard to believe.

It got so bad at one point that I almost killed myself. During that time; I said, "God if you're there, then stop this" within a couple of seconds my Mom appeared and she stopped me. Which was weird. I went through a huge period of self-loathing and hatred which was directed at others which God completely healed.

But the thing is; everyday I'm excited because I don't know what God is going to do. I'm happy now; which is amazing because I used to be very depressed and I feel peaceful all the time which is so good I can't describe. When I was younger I would have given anything for a moment of the peace I have now. it is amazing.

Don't let other people influence your decision about Christianity because if you look to people then they will always disappoint you.

Well, if God prevented you from killing yourself, that's one thing in the positive column for him. However, I find it hard to believe that an 'all-loving' God would have killed people, as with the flood in the Bible.

If God helps you now though, by all means, believe.

 

[StickwithJesus]

Well, I was a Catholic at one point

I went to a Catholic School; it never felt right to me.

I will say that I don't think I'm closing myself off from God

Why are you looking to humans for an answer? If you want to see if God is real; read your Bible and then invite him into your life. You don't need a church for this.

(assuming he exists) because I'm still trying to see whether something can convince me he exists,

Nothing will convince you; that's the truth.

(and I would much rather live in a universe with an awesome afterlife) but nothing has really stuck out so far.

The thing is; when I first started following God I thought the same. I wanted to go to heaven because I was afraid of hell but now I've come to realize that even heaven would be hell if Jesus was not there.

I'm running this race so I can meet my dearest friend; because he died for me. He makes the darkness disappear and makes me feel happy and found.

I'd say that one reason I forgot to mention before is the supreme arrogance of religion (in my opinion.)

Amen x]

The universe is 26 billion light years wide...

Assuming the speed of light is a constant; Kent Kovind seems to think it is getting faster.

think about that for a moment. That's huge. Huge to the point that no human can really comprehend how big it is.

Yup =]

A small statistic to help you understand-the distance from one end of the earth to the other is 5 quadrillionths of a percent of the the entire universe. In other words, 0.000.000.000.000.000.005%. That's how tiny the earth is, in comparison. And religious people really believe that everything in existence was created for humans-in other words, for that 5 quadrillionths of a percent? I'm sorry, but I find that very hard to believe.

Then don't believe it; I don't believe the Bible says that either unless you can find a scripture to prove otherwise.

However, I find it hard to believe that an 'all-loving' God would have killed people, as with the flood in the Bible.

Well if you read the Bible you will find that those people were murderers; the Bible says that there was not a moment where they did not think evils things and God was sorry that he made them. Before the flood the Bible speaks how the sons of God (I presume that means the angels) found the daughters of men beautiful and they took them as their wives. As a result there were giants in those days.

I presume things were very messed up back then.

If God helps you now though, by all means, believe.

If you want to know why I believe in God then look at this;

Aaron Gillespie of Underoath - live in Nashville VIII - YouTube


I need a passion I can live for; these guys are all Christians.

Anyway I'm a little dizzy. I didn't sleep enough last night. I'm sorry for breaking up your post so much. I'm just real exhausted.

God bless you

 

[Paradoxum]

I've never rejected God. But, at this point, I have rejected Christianity, nearly all of its doctrines, and the church establishment. It's all wrong. Considering the fact that the "holiest" days of the year in Christianity are based entirely upon Paganism

I hope you don't mind me interjecting here. It is true that Christmas is at the time of a pagan holiday, but I don't see why that is a problem. The point of Christmas is what is symbolises, exact dates don't matter. As you can see I don't have a Christian symbol, so I'm not massively biased on this.

and the church has rejected the Law that God specifically said time and time again to never forget, I don't see any redeemable quality in the Christian church.

Well it seems you haven't rejected the doctrine of inerrancy or infallibility of the Bible then? I would say there is your problem. Even if you think the Bible is infallible the Law is for the Jews.... there is freedom from the law in Christ.

Granted, there are some truly caring people in the Christian faith whom actually do good in the world, so all is not lost.

True.

However, I went to a private Lutheran high school, whence I met the meanest, most hateful, judgmental, shallow and evil people I have ever known. They all claimed to be Christians too, which made realize that it has become a surface lifestyle.

True, but there is a difference between cultural Christians and those who really believe. It is probably different in the UK because people only tend to come out as Christians if they actually believe. I remember as a kid I was scared to tell people I was a Christian. In America it is too easy.

Go to church on Sunday (which isn't even the Biblical Sabbath day anyway, so that's wrong too.)

And Jesus worked on the Sabbath. Is He guilty of breaking the Law? No, because I would say the Sabbath is only a means to an end, not an end in itself.

Due to this, and the fact I've actually read the Bible in its entirety as of late, I've realized that Christianity is not the way.

I also sadly doubt Christianity is the way, but with that I doubt any God. Christianity has great potential for amazing good and I think legalism is one of the big things that keeps people from love.

 

[HarborOrange]

I hope you don't mind me interjecting here. It is true that Christmas is at the time of a pagan holiday, but I don't see why that is a problem. The point of Christmas is what is symbolises, exact dates don't matter. As you can see I don't have a Christian symbol, so I'm not massively biased on this.



Well it seems you haven't rejected the doctrine of inerrancy or infallibility of the Bible then? I would say there is your problem. Even if you think the Bible is infallible the Law is for the Jews.... there is freedom from the law in Christ.



True.



True, but there is a difference between cultural Christians and those who really believe. It is probably different in the UK because people only tend to come out as Christians if they actually believe. I remember as a kid I was scared to tell people I was a Christian. In America it is too easy.



And Jesus worked on the Sabbath. Is He guilty of breaking the Law? No, because I would say the Sabbath is only a means to an end, not an end in itself.



I also sadly doubt Christianity is the way, but with that I doubt any God. Christianity has great potential for amazing good and I think legalism is one of the big things that keeps people from love.

Oh, no problem at all. Yes, it's horribly Pagan, and it's not something that should just be dismissed by people... Exact dates do matter. But it's not the dates that concern me so much, it's the fact that one is undertaking absolutely Pagan practices and traditions in the name of God. It's like if a husband tells his wife that he wants to celebrate her birthday on a different day, the day of one of his old ex-girlfriends. And instead of taking her to her favorite restaurant, he takes her to a restaurant that his ex-girlfriend used to love. How do you think she'd feel? Also, mixing is an abomination to God. After all, why did he command the Israelites to kill the Amalekites? He commanded them to do so because he knew they would mix with their Pagan practices. That's right, he wanted an entire line of people wiped out because he detested the mixing that would inevitably happen... It's a big deal to God, in my opinion.

Also, that's not a church doctrine, that's just fact. Haha, and you couldn't be more wrong in saying the Law is for the Jews and Christians are free from that in Christ. Seriously, all over the New Testament it is stressed how important the Law is. After all Paul (the one who Christians claim is entirely against the Law) states in Hebrews 10:26-28 "For if we deliberately continue to sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but only the terrifying prospect of Judgment, of raging fire that will consume the enemies. Someone who disregards the Torah of Moshe is put to death without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses." That is just one of countless verses claiming the importance of the Torah (Law) in the New Testament. If one actually reads Paul's writing, they see him constantly referring to the Torah. Also, Yeshua (Jesus) states in Matthew 5:17-20 " ' Don't think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah-- not until everything that must happen has happened. So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot (commandments) and teaches others to do so will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers and the P'rushim, you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!." Sounds pretty bloody obvious to me. How Christians can miss this, I don't even understand. The Torah is essential, and this is coming from Yeshua's own lips. Most of this is simply passed over due to misunderstandings. If one does not read the Old Testament regularly, they will not understand any of the New Testament, for it is all a cycling and fulfillment of the Old Testament. It's like trying to read the end of a book without first knowing the characters or how it all started.


I certainly agree with you there. That's part of the problem though, it shouldn't be cultural... If it becomes just an identity and not a lifestyle, then there must be something flawed in it, at least there must be something flawed in the way that Americans believe, it's all so surface and shallow. I honestly have nothing wrong with true Christians, ones that actually have a heart for God and the Scriptures. But, I detest those who claim to be Christians but swear, drink, have sex with whomever, and basically act like the rest of the world. That's not how it should be...


Lol, Yeshua never worked on the Sabbath, at least not according to the true Law. To the oral traditions that the Pharisees had made up, yes he was working. However, he never worked on the Sabbath. If you can give me a verse in which you think that occurred, you should show me. It's a misunderstanding of the truth. He never broke the Law for he is the Word, as John states in John 1:1. If the Word is the Law, which has been in existence since the dawn of time, then isn't Yeshua the embodiment of the Law?


Ah, I feel that Christianity may allow some to achieve eternal life, but not most... For most know not Adonai, his Son, or the Law. However, for those who have been taught wrong their whole lives by the Christian church, and who have a heart for the truth, and for God, I believe they will be saved. However, I think it is a salvation issue if one knows about the Commands of God but rejects them, for they are rejecting Yeshua himself in the process. Everything Yeshua stood for was the Law, and his entire deed was to fulfill the Law. Honestly, I don't know how people believe fulfill means that he "did away" with it. Seriously, fulfill means to 'make complete' which is definitely the opposite of what people seem to think it means. It's bizarre how it's been perceived that Yeshua was anti-Law. Anyway, Legalism is no good. A lot of people who follow the Law tend to only follow the Law, which is errant and not good at all. I follow the Law because I know God wants it, and it helps me understand him better due to the fact he operates by it. Love is the over-reaching story of all the Scriptures, but it has sadly been corrupted over time. The only purpose of the Law is for God's people to live healthy lives in a close relationship with him. It is not to condemn as most people think.

Thus, I conclude my rambling. Haha.

 

[Gath]

I went to a Catholic School; it never felt right to me.

Well, TBH, Catholicism would be my favorite variant of Christianity. (out of the ones I know.) If I had to choose a religion, it would have to be one that accepted the BB and evolution.

Why are you looking to humans for an answer? If you want to see if God is real; read your Bible and then invite him into your life. You don't need a church for this.

Nothing will convince you; that's the truth.

I've heard that before-you have to want to know God in order to. However, that doesn't feel right to me, because if you really want to find proof of something, you will.

I'm running this race so I can meet my dearest friend; because he died for me. He makes the darkness disappear and makes me feel happy and found.

Assuming the speed of light is a constant; Kent Kovind seems to think it is getting faster.

He also thinks evolution isn't true, so I doubt he's much of a scientist.

Then don't believe it; I don't believe the Bible says that either unless you can find a scripture to prove otherwise.

Well, it doesn't expressly say that, but the idea is there-man is created in the image of God and is allowed to rule over all of God's creations, so that implies that everything in the universe was created for humans.

Well if you read the Bible you will find that those people were murderers; the Bible says that there was not a moment where they did not think evils things and God was sorry that he made them.

Oh, right. I forgot. Silly me. I thought all that 'thou shalt not kill' stuff was absolute. I mean, the Bible says it's fine to kill them if they're really really bad, right?

Before the flood the Bible speaks how the sons of God (I presume that means the angels) found the daughters of men beautiful and they took them as their wives. As a result there were giants in those days.

I presume things were very messed up back then.

Messed up by our standards, but commonplace at the time.