Do you understand?
I suspect that perhaps you just don't understand what I am saying. I've repeated it 3 times now and you simply aren't acknowledging what you're being told.[/QUOTE]
"It comes down to...wait for it....morphology and stratigraphic position/timing. "
THERE IS NO GEOLOGIC COLUMN!! SO THERE IS NO STRATIGRAPHIC POSITION / TIMING!
"You simply aren't acknowledging what you're being told...
LOL Projection aint your strong suit is it sport? Ahaha
FOR OUR READERS!!
GEOLOGIC COLUMN
Complete Geologic Column Is NonExistent, Except In Text Books
NOT REALLY ANYWHERE! VON ENGELN & CASTER, "If a pile were to be made by using the greatest thickness of sedimentary beds of each geological age, it would be at least 100 miles high. ....lt is, of course, impossible to have even a considerable fraction of this great pile available at any one place. The Grand Canyon of the Colorado, for example, is only one mile deep." GEOLOGY, p.417
BUILT BY CORRELATION, L. DON LEET (Harvard) & SHELDON JUDSON (Princeton), "Because we cannot find sedimentary rocks representing all of earth time neatly in one convenient area, we must piece together the rock sequence from locality to locality. This process of tying one rock sequence in one place to another in some other place is known as correlation, from the Latin for 'together' plus 'relate'". PHYSICAL GEOLOGY, P.181
Complete Column Is Pieced Together By Circular Logic
NONRADIOACTIVE CORRELATION, DEREK AGER (Past President, British Geol. Asso.), "....fossils have been and still are the best and most accurate method of dating and correlating the rocks in which they occur .... I can think of no cases of radioactive decay being used to date fossils.", New Scientist, Nov.10, p.425, 1982
BUILDING THE COLUMN, PUTMAN AND BASSETT, "A rock that had an early form of an organism was clearly older than rocks containing later forms. Furthermore, all rocks that had the early form, no matter how far apart those rocks were geographically, would have to be the same age. ....fossil successions made it possible to say that the Cambrian rocks are older than the Ordovician rocks. In this way our geologic time table came into being…Without the theory of evolution and the interdisciplinary science of paleontology, it could not exist.", GEOLOGY p.544
Circular Argumentation
R. H. RASTAL, Cambridge University, "It cannot be denied that from a strictly philosophical standpoint geologists are here arguing in a circle. The succession of organisms has been determined by a study of their remains embedded in the rocks, and the relative ages of the rocks are determined by the organisms that they contain." ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNIA, Vol.X, p.168
NILES ELDREDGE, Columbia Univ. "And this poses something of a problem,: If we date the rocks by their fossils, how can we then turn around and talk about patterns of evolutionary change through time in the fossil record?" TIME FRAMES, 1985, p.52
TOM KEMP, Oxford, "A circular argument arises: Interpret the fossil record in the terms of a particular theory of evolution, inspect the interpretation, and note that it confirms the theory. Well, it would, wouldn't it?" New Scientist, Vol.108, Dec.5, 1985, p. 67
J. E. O'ROURKE, "The rocks do date the fossils, but the fossils date the rocks more accurately. Stratigraphy cannot avoid this kind of reasoning. if it insists on using only temporal concepts, because circularity is inherent in the derivation of time scales.", American Journal of Science, Vol. 276, p.51
D. B. KITTS, Univ. of Oklahoma, "But the danger of circularity is still present.... The temporal ordering of biological events beyond the local section may critically involve paleontological correlation....for almost all contemporary paleontologist it rest upon the acceptance of the evolutionary hypothesis.", Evolution Vol. 28, p.466
DAVID M. RAUP, U. of Chicago; Field Museum of N.H., "The charge that the construction of the geologic scale involves circularity has a certain amount of validity...Thus, the procedure is far from ideal and the geologic ranges are constantly being revised (usually extended) as new occurrences are found.", FMONH Bulletin, Vol. 54, Mar. 1983, p.21
Falsification Of Column Is Theoretically Possible But Practically, Very Difficult
EVOLUTION IS FALSIFlABLE RICHARD DAWKlNS, Oxford,, "If a single, well verified mammal skull were to turn up in 500 million year old rocks, our whole modern theory of evolution would be utterly destroyed. Incidentally this is a sufficient answer to the canard, put about by creationist and their journalistic fellow travelers, that the whole theory of evolution is an 'unfalsifiable' tautology. Ironically, it is also the reason why creationist are so keen on the fake human footprints, which were carved during the depression to fool tourist, in the dinosaur beds of Texas," THE BLIND WATCHMAKER, 1986, p.225
Taylor Trail Mystery Solved; 14 Human Tracks In RL Sequence In Dino. Tracks
"FOOTPRINTS IN THE ASHES OF TIME" MARY D. LEAKEY, "On the other hand, the prints of the larger are blurred, as if he had shuffled or dragged his feet. In fact, I think that the surface when he passed was loose and dusty, hence the collapsed appearance of the prints. The bigger hominid left one absolutely clear print, probably on a patch of once damp ash." National Geographic, Vol.155, No.4, p.453
STEPPING IN THE STEPS, R. H. TUTTLE, Prof. of Anthro., U. of Chicago & Primate Research Center, Emory U. "....the third individual (G3) carefully walked in the footprints of the second.... Gwi hunters of southern Africa follow in the footprints of the person ahead in order to minimize noise and to protect their feet. Over printing would be a prudent habit...." Natural History, 3/90, p.64
Burdick Track Vindicated By Sectioning; Conforming Pressure Structures
Evidence Accumulates: 9" Cat Track; Fossil Finger; Iron Hammer
Implications Of Paluxy Finds
ERNST MAYR, Harvard, "Creationists have stated that humans and dinosaurs were contemporaries in time...Were this momentous statement true the names of its discoverers would thunder down the corridors of time as individuals who made one of the most outstanding discoveries of the twentieth century." Gish - Mayr Debate, Evansville, Indiana.
STEVEN M. STANLEY, Johns Hopkins Univ., "There is an infinite variety of ways in which, since 1859, the general concept of evolution might have been demolished. Consider the fossil record a little known resource in Darwin's day. The unequivocal discovery of a fossil population of horses in Precambrian rocks would disprove evolution. More generally, any topsyturvy sequence of fossils would force us to rethink our theory, yet not a single one has come to light. As Darwin recognized, a single geographic inconsistency would have nearly the same power of destruction." THE NEW EVOLUTIONARY TIMETABLE, 1981, p. 171
MILNE & SCHAFERSMAN, "Such an occurrence would seriously disrupt conventional interpretations of biological and geological history and would support the doctrines of creationism and catastrophism. "Journal Of Geological Education, 1983, p.111
Alternate Explanation Of Fossil Record; Universal, Cataclysmic, Year Long Flood.
NICHOLAS STENO "Father of Modern Statigraphy", DOTT & BATTEN, "Besides correctly interpreting fossils, Steno drew some even more important conclusions about the strata in which they occur. The result was formulation of most basic principles for analysis of earth history. Steno showed great insight... Steno's axioms provide the ultimate basis of practically all interpretation of earth history, so their importance can hardly be overemphasized.", EVOLUTION OF THE EARTH, p.24
Revolution To Catastrophism Among Contemporary Geologist
RECORD IS CATASTROPHIC, DAVID M. RAUP, Chicago Field Museum, Univ. of Chicago, "A great deal has changed, however, and contemporary geologists and paleontologists now generally accept catastrophe as a 'way of life' although they may avoid the word catastrophe... The periods of relative quiet contribute only a small part of the record. The days are almost gone when a geologist looks at such a sequence, measures its thickness, estimates the total amount of elapsed time, and then divides one by the other to compute the rate of deposition in centimeters per thousand years. The nineteenthcentury idea of uniformitarianism and gradualism still exist in popular treatments of geology, in some museum exhibits, and in lower level textbooks....one can hardly blame the creationists for having the idea that the conventional wisdom in geology is still a noncatastrophic one." Field Museum of Natural History Bulletin (Vol.54, March 1983), p.2 1
"THE RULE", ROBERT H. DOTT, Presidential Address To Society of Economic Paleontologists & Mineralogists, "I hope I have convinced you that the sedimentary record is largely a record of episodic events rather than being uniformly continuous. My message is that episodicity is the rule, not the exception. .we need to shed those lingering subconscious constraints of old uniformitarian thinking." Geotimes, Nov. 1982, p.16
CATACLYSMIC BURIAL, JOHN R. HORNER, "...there were 30 million fossil fragments in that area. At a conservative estimate, we had discovered the tomb of 10,000 dinosaurs ...there was a flood. This was no ordinary spring flood from one of the streams in the area but a catastrophic inundation. ... That's our best explanation. It seems to make the most sense, and on the basis of it we believe that this was a living, breathing group of dinosaurs destroyed in one catastrophic moment." DICGING DINOSAURS, 1988, p.131
Alternate Explanations
ORDERED SEQUENCE?, DAVID M. RAUP, U. of Chicago, Chicago Field Mus. Nat. Hist., "The fossil record of evolution is amenable to a wide variety of models ranging from completely deterministic to completely stochastic.", American Scientist, Vol.166, Jan.Feb. P 57
TIME RELATIONS?, DUNBAR & ROGERS "....though facies and faunal relations are recorded in the rocks and fossils, and their determination can be reasonable exact and objective, time relations are not so recorded, and their determination remains an ideal, toward which we strive, but which we can only approximate.... It follows that correlation, being....essentially an interpretation, is the result of personal judgment, and that it can never be wholly objective,....", PRINCIPLES OF STRATIGRAPHY, p.272
SEGREGATED FOSSIL ASSEMBLAGES?, GILLULY, WALTERS, WOODFORD, "In correlating rock strata by comparison of fossils, it is inimportant to keep in mind the limitations to the spread of organisms imposed by their natural habitats. Many different depositional environments exist.... Each environment has its characteristic group of animals and plants, that live contemporaneously.... For example, we do not expect to find the bones of antelopes in a coral reef, nor coral in a desert sand dune…we would not expect to find the same fossils entombed in all the varied deposits formed.", PRINCIPLES OF GEOLOGY, p. 101
FOSSIL PROGRESSION?, DAVID M. RAUP, Chicago Field Museum, Prof. of Geology, Univ. of Chicago, "A large number of welltrained scientists outside of evolutionary biology and paleontology have unfortunately gotten the idea that the fossil record is far more Darwinian than it is. This probably comes from the oversimplification inevitable in secondary sources: lowlevel textbooks, semipopular articles, and so on. Also, there is probably some wishful thinking involved. In the years after Darwin, his advocates hoped to find predictable progressions. In general, these have not been foundyet the optimism has died hard, and some pure fantasy has crept into textbooks...One of the ironies of the creationevolution debate is that the creationists have accepted the mistaken notion that the fossil record shows a detailed and orderly progression and they have gone to great lengths to accommodate this 'fact' in their Flood Geology." New Scientist, Vol. 90, p.832, 1981
Superior Explanatory Value Of Vapor Canopy. Geologic Implication Of Greenhouse Effect
World Wide Tropical Climate Larger Plants & Animals Catastrophic Change at Poles Previously Lower Sea Level Low Carbon 14 Level Origin of Bedded Limestone
CLIMATE OP THE PAST, DOTT AND BATTEN, Evolution of the Earth, "Devonian land plants are similar the world over, suggesting that climate was rather uniform. Wide distribution of richly fossiliferous middle Paleozoic marine carbonate rocks, and especially the great latitudinal spread of fossil reefs, suggest subtropical conditions....lt. has long been felt that the average climate of the earth through time has been milder and more homogeneous than it is today. If so the present certainly is not a very good key to the past in terms of climate!" p.298
DIFFICULT FOR WHOM? VON ENGELN & CASTER, "The warm, equable climate, characteristic of the entire Cretaceous, prevailed also over most of the world throughout the Jurassic with, possibly, localized exceptions. This universal tropicallity is difficult to explain." GEOLOGY, p.491
ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE, & LIMESTONE, W.C.KRUMBEIN, L.L.SLOSS, Northwestern Univ., "Changes in atmospheric partial pressures of carbon dioxide produce corresponding changes in carbon dioxide solubility. Because of these relations, there is a direct connection between atmospheric carbon dioxide and the amount of dissolved calcium ion in sea water....If the carbon dioxide dissolved in seawater decreases, some bicarbonate ions change to carbonate, thereby causing precipitation of calcium carbonate.", STRATIGRAPHY AND SEDIMENTATION, p.223
