Why do you believe in the evolution theory?

[SkyWriting]

Nope no fingers pointing back at me.

Well. I can see em.

 

[pgp_protector]

Well. I can see em.

Amazing !!! You can see the fingers !!!!
Can you see that they're not pointing back at the person pointing also? Or did you miss that point?

 

[Shemjaza]

Hi. You don't know me, but you've just accused me publicly of lying and fabricating evidence. Your posts make it quite clear that you don't know much of anything about the science involved, so you must feel comfortable slandering people based on, what, a gut feeling? Something somebody else told you? Do you really think this is a moral or Christian approach to take?


Right. That's why the Discovery Institute Fellows are all living in poverty, while evolutionary biologists are driving Rolls Royces.


By all means, let us know when this evidence starts appearing in the real world, rather than in your hopes and dreams. In the meantime, evolution has nothing to do with excluding God and everything to do with explaining the natural world, something you cannot do.

Well said.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I'm still trying to figure out what science all of them talk about? E coli that after billions and billions of generations and mutations are still in the end, E coli?

Dogs that after years of breeding have many different variations or breeds, but are still Canidae?

Cats still Felidae?

I mean come on. There is not one bit of science that agrees with evolution, it all agrees with Kind after Kind. Merely differences in infraspecific taxa. Not traceable beyond the last darkness.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7866448-16/#post67087243

 

[Audacious]

I'm still trying to figure out what science all of them talk about? E coli that after billions and billions of generations and mutations are still in the end, E coli?

Dogs that after years of breeding have many different variations or breeds, but are still Canidae?

Cats still Felidae?

I mean come on. There is not one bit of science that agrees with evolution, it all agrees with Kind after Kind. Merely differences in infraspecific taxa. Not traceable beyond the last darkness.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7866448-16/#post67087243

Speciation can lead to large, diverse changes... over time. The issue isn't that 'kind' can't change from 'kind', but that we haven't been doing science long enough to see the larger changes arising from smaller ones.

How do you define 'kind' to begin with?

 

[Shemjaza]

Dogs that after years of breeding have many different variations or breeds, but are still Canidae?

Cats still Felidae?

As people have told you a thousand times, things don't lose their ancestry in evolution.

Domestic Cat Kind - > Felidae Kind -> Mammal Kind -> Tetra-pod kind

We're all for kind after kind, but we can just see the evidence that kinds branch into different groups.

 

[ViaCrucis]

You will see the accusation that only Christians in name only accept the theory of evolution, even though that would be most Christians in the world.

For many Fundamentalists that is perfectly in line with how they see the world. Back in my Fundagelical days an important part of the narrative was that the ratio of "Real Christians" to fake Christians was that there were far, far more fake Christians in the world than real ones. They either weren't really Christian because they went to the wrong churches (Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, etc), because they were simply raised Christian but never "made a personal commitment to a saving relationship with Jesus Christ", or any many number of reasons.

It is in this mindset that the figures that the US is something like 80% self-identified Christian didn't actually mean anything, because most of that 80% weren't Real Christians--they couldn't be, because after all the US "is being taken over by godless secularists and atheists (etc)".

As such it is always a boon within that manufactured narrative that most Christians weren't this or that, because that meant being part of God's special club; being one of the few true believers, a special sheep in a sea of goats.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Strathos]

There's also the fact that Christianity in the US has been effectively hijacked by the conservative movement, and their Ayn Rand-inspired philosophy (ironic as Rand was an atheist who hated Jesus).

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm still trying to figure out what science all of them talk about? E coli that after billions and billions of generations and mutations are still in the end, E coli?

Dogs that after years of breeding have many different variations or breeds, but are still Canidae?

Cats still Felidae?

I mean come on. There is not one bit of science that agrees with evolution, it all agrees with Kind after Kind. Merely differences in infraspecific taxa. Not traceable beyond the last darkness.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7866448-16/#post67087243

I am sure that this has been explained to you before, but there is no "change of kinds" in evolution. So what would you expect E. coli to become but E. coli? Part of your problem is that you cannot even come up with a consistent definition of "kind". But if you use "kind" as being synonymous to "clade" that problem goes away.

 

[Shemjaza]

There's also the fact that Christianity in the US has been effectively hijacked by the conservative movement, and their Ayn Rand-inspired philosophy (ironic as Rand was an atheist who hated Jesus).

They love to use you guys to bolster their numbers when they claim to be the "moral majority", but kick you to the curb with you say anything about science.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

I accept evolution. It has never entailed belief, emotion, or conflict with my faith. It is the central unifying theme of biology, and the evidence for it is overwhelming.

“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.”
- Galileo Galilei

 

[Phenotype]

I don't accept the farce of evolution. It has no proof, no evidence, and will not stand the test of time.

It is a lie, perpetuated by the elect intellectuals and they will fabricate, formulate, extrapolate data to prove it. Then hide, bastardize, destroy anything that proves against it.

If any educated, accredited, learned and respected person stands up publicly against this lie they will be discredited, harassed, blasphemed, ridiculed, and bullied for going against the powers that be that owe their lives, careers, credibility, financial backing and status to the perpetuation of this fallacy.

The time is coming where it is going to be harder and harder to hold on to this hoax. Things coming will make it harder and harder to deny that there is a dimension that exists in a different realm than ours and is spiritual in nature. It is going to get louder and louder and louder.

Things unexplainable by the joke called "empirical science" are coming to this age. Sights, and occurrences that will be impossible to accept and at the same time say that this world happened on it's own and life was spontaneous as well as all living things came from this one little impossibility.

With the advancing of cell phones and cameras, everyone has one, more and more real events will be recorded and unexplainable by the minds of the people chained by the closed system of evolution where mere chance and natural factors have molded this one organism as it moved through the stages of morphing, mutating, and deviation, living and dying until what we have today was arrived at.

They will be left, mouth hanging open, while events unfold that shatter the concept that this is all chance and random.

All ready, scientists and educated accredited people are documenting things that are unexplainable by this archaic principle. These "wise" people are scrambling to understand what they can use next as an excuse for the facts they are observing.

Eventually, it will end up that we did not start by chance, but we were seeded here by some extremely more advanced intelligent beings that can move through time space and dimensions.

They will of course, never accept that this is what the Bible has said all the time. Yet they will still not believe that the Biblical account is true. They will propose another story that, in the end, will exclude God.

This is the effusion of a fanatic. Totally deluded, given over to confirmation bias. We're really not actually discussing 'causality.' This is about you.

You have everything invested in this. How could you possibly even entertain the thought of beginning to extricate yourself from the cult you are in?

I fear you are too far gone. You gloat over the thought of the conflagration of the world. Oh dear.

We don't own guns in my country. The government bought them back from the owners, paid them their worth and destroyed them all. We all know nobody 'carries.' How cool is that?

We finally abolished the death penalty for all states in 1967. In Queensland it had been abolished in 1922.

The DP has a brutalising effect on society. These progressive ethical laws were the result of reason, based on Universal Human Rights, ethics based in secular discourse.

Free thinking is nothing to be frightened of. Maybe some people prefer conformism, or is it control. Is it a penchant for formulaic thinking, odious, horrible 'teachings?'

Proscriptions against even being gay, deemed a vile disease, curable by Jesus. Not to even entertain gay people's rights, such as to marry. The forbidding a woman rights over her own body and life. Stamping out stem cell research. Euthanasia, the right to die with dignity when the one realises they have to, they truly want to die and escape the suffering.

Not this little black duck. I'm not guilty of forbidding any of it. Those who do bear a heavy onus.

Evolution isn't something one 'believes in.' Substantive knowledge is based on sound, unfalsified, and continually verified evidence and extrapolation from it, as Charles Darwin had done by 1836, on the voyage of the Beagle.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Oh, he is very forgiving. Forum posters could learn a thing or two from God.
It's been said that he forgives all your sins...somewhere in that book.

Then you believe that you should sin more so Christ's grace can abound more?
St. Paul disagrees. Romans 6:1-2

 

[Loudmouth]

I'm still trying to figure out what science all of them talk about? E coli that after billions and billions of generations and mutations are still in the end, E coli?

Dogs that after years of breeding have many different variations or breeds, but are still Canidae?

Cats still Felidae?

Humans still Hominidae? Yep, they sure are. Do you accept humans sharing a common ancestor with other apes?
Hominidae

Humans still Primates? Yep, they sure are. Do you accept that humans sharing a common ancestor with other primates?
Primates

Humans still Mammals? Yep, they sure are. Do you accept that humans sharing a common ancestor with other mammals?
Mammalia

I mean come on. There is not one bit of science that agrees with evolution, it all agrees with Kind after Kind.

Kind after kind agrees with evolution, as I showed you above.

 

[CabVet]

I've never seen a half monkey half man....

You could use a half monkey half man to disprove evolution. That's how much you know about it.

 

[SkyWriting]

That's because we didn't evolve from monkeys, but a common ancestor of monkeys.

OK....why are there not transitional species?

Why is there not many examples of intermediate species?

 

[Loudmouth]

OK....why are there not transitional species?

What features would a fossil need in order to be transitional between modern humans and a common ancestor shared with chimps?

It is my experience that creationists will refuse to accept any evidence for a transitional, no matter what it is. Am I right?

 

[Split Rock]

OK....why are there not transitional species?

Why is there not many examples of intermediate species?

Surely you have been here long enough to have seen numerous examples posted. Do you need to see them all again?

 

[SkyWriting]

Surely you have been here long enough to have seen numerous examples posted. Do you need to see them all again?

One at a time please....
And don't call me Shirley.


My question was why aren't there more examples.
In a random, non designed theory, I would expect more
than 50% of species to be examples of an intermediate species.

If you were scientifically inclined, you would know perfectly well that
all evidence must be questioned till the cows come home.

 

[lesliedellow]

I don't see a denial of evolution as a failure to think critically. It's a theory for a reason and just like everyone says I shouldn't just accept things from the bible without critical thinking people shouldn't accept theories as fact. Micro evolution makes sense and is factual but the theory of evolution is not. Evolution is nothing more then a flawed theory. I've never seen a half monkey half man.... And where's that missing link again??? It can't be fact if it's not proven.

So if you believe in evolution tell us why.

Because there has to be a reason why the overwhelming majority of biologists, who presumably know something about biology, sign up to Evolution. And they do so irrespective of whether they are atheists, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists or otherwise.

That kind of unanimity cannot very easily be explained, except upon the supposition of overwhelmingly strong evidence.