Why do you believe in the evolution theory?

[JacksBratt]

So, acceptance of evolution caused homos3xu@lity?

I thought it was around long before Paul.

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It does not say acceptance of evolution causes homosexuality.

It says, anyone who does not accept the fact that God created the universe, has invisible qualities, has divine nature and that it is clearly seen so that nobody is without excuse. The nation worships the creature not the creator.

The whole passage is basically saying that God created the universe and all that was in it the way it is described in the bible and those that twist it or follow that nature did it of it's own accord are in error.

Not just evolution, but theistic creationists who don't give the proper honor to the God who created everything and told us how He did it.

The Nations that ignore this truth are nations that will be in the state that we are in today.

How many times have people on this forum used numbers and statistics to brag about how many people hold the biblical account of creation to be wrong?

This issue was around long before Paul, even at the time of Abraham.

 

[DerelictJunction]

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It does not say acceptance of evolution causes homosexuality.

It says, anyone who does not accept the fact that God created the universe, has invisible qualities, has divine nature and that it is clearly seen so that nobody is without excuse. The nation worships the creature not the creator.

The whole passage is basically saying that God created the universe and all that was in it the way it is described in the bible and those that twist it or follow that nature did it of it's own accord are in error.

It does not say that. It says those that don't acknowledge that God created everything are in error. It says nothing about Genesis or any other particular method that God may have chosen.

Not just evolution, but theistic creationists who don't give the proper honor to the God who created everything and told us how He did it.

That passage says nothing about the process God used.

The Nations that ignore this truth are nations that will be in the state that we are in today.

Please describe this "state" and how it is worse than the "state" the nations were in when Paul was alive.

 

[JacksBratt]

Of course there will be exceptions. Religion makes big promises.

Exceptions, or the rule? The religion of Christianity has persevered throughout thousands of years under all kinds of persecution, corruption, and apostasies.

Any religion that lasts is the rule not an exception. Your statement was false. People who follow the next strongest army are looking out for one thing and one thing only.... their self..... not the following of a belief.

Yes there are. And for what?

For a truth that they are willing to die for.

Would you die for the TOE? If someone put a gun to your head and said "state that the TOE is false or I will kill you"... would you denounce it or not?

 

[Davian]

Exceptions, or the rule? The religion of Christianity has persevered throughout thousands of years under all kinds of persecution, corruption, and apostasies.

Sure. It makes big promises. However, popularity is not an indication of the veracity of those promises.

Any religion that lasts is the rule not an exception. Your statement was false.

You are misrepresenting my statement.

People who follow the next strongest army are looking out for one thing and one thing only.... their self..... not the following of a belief.

Interesting that the history of religion can be described in a mapping of wars.

History of Religion

For a truth that they are willing to die for.

By "truth", you mean "opinion". Religion is not "truth".

Would you die for the TOE? If someone put a gun to your head and said "state that the TOE is false or I will kill you"... would you denounce it or not?

Of course I would denounce it. If they asked, I would tell them that the Earth was flat, or we could land a spaceship on the Sun and walk around (as long as it was nighttime). What is your point?

 

[Astrophile]

Really?

In what war has a strong army changed the belief of the ones with strong faith in that belief.?

The Albigensian Crusade, perhaps.

 

[Gracchus]

It says, anyone who does not accept the fact that God created the universe, has invisible qualities, has divine nature and that it is clearly seen so that nobody is without excuse.

So, God has invisible qualities, that are plainly seen?

This issue was around long before Paul, even at the time of Abraham.

There have always been those who are quite certain they know all about God, what he thinks, how he operates, and exactly what he is going to do. Some of us find it passing strange that God is always in perfect agreement with those certain persons, no matter that they disagree with each other to the point of murder.

 

[TLK Valentine]

For a truth that they are willing to die for.

Would you die for the TOE? If someone put a gun to your head and said "state that the TOE is false or I will kill you"... would you denounce it or not?

Suppose I was willing to do so... is that a good way to measure "truth," Jack -- in confirmed kills?

If someone put a gun to my head and demanded I renounce the Pythagorean Theorem, I would do so -- does that make it false?

 

[Davian]

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It says, anyone who does not accept the fact that God created the universe,

Well, that is not a "fact", is it?

has invisible qualities, has divine nature and that it is clearly seen so that nobody is without excuse.

Invisible qualities that are clearly seen? Is this an attempt at biblical humour?

 

[AV1611VET]

Invisible qualities that are clearly seen? Is this an attempt at biblical humour?

As the Bible says:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is the substance of things we hope for, and the evidence of things unbelievers can't see.

 

[Gracchus]

As the Bible says:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is the substance of things we hope for, and the evidence of things unbelievers can't see.

Or in other words, faith is wishful thinking and certainty about what has not been demonstrated to even exist.

If there is a God, then he gave me a mind, and I have to presume he didn't give it to me to hide under a rock, but rather to use it and develop it and improve it.

Others, of course, presume otherwise.

 

[AV1611VET]

If there is a God, then he gave me a mind, and I have to presume he didn't give it to me to hide under a rock, but rather to use it and develop it and improve it.

He gave you a heart too.

Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

 

[TLK Valentine]

He gave you a heart too.

Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Then He's compounded His failure, because the heart's not hiding under a rock, either -- nor is it going to accept what the mind rejects.

 

[Gracchus]

If there is a God, then he gave me a mind, and I have to presume he didn't give it to me to hide under a rock, but rather to use it and develop it and improve it.

He gave you a heart too.

Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Jeremiah did not understand physiology. My heart is a pump. It is my mind that searches for truth. It is my mind that reasons. It is my mind that empathizes with the weak, the helpless, and the downtrodden.

 

[AV1611VET]

Jeremiah did not understand physiology.

He didn't have to.

He gets the credit for writing what God wanted him to write.

Not what you think he knew or didn't know.

My heart is a pump.

Neat.

So is mine.

It is my mind that searches for truth. It is my mind that reasons. It is my mind that empathizes with the weak, the helpless, and the downtrodden.

The soul, which is in charge of the mind, the will, and the emotions, resides in the heart.

Put another way:

The brain is part of the body (soma).
The heart is part of the soul (psyche).
The spirit is ... well ... the spirit (pneuma).

That's the tripartite nature of mankind.

 

[Davian]

As the Bible says:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is the substance of things we hope for, and the evidence of things unbelievers can't see.

And that you cannot see either, unless you were to add to that passage. That is why you need faith. Correct?

 

[Gracchus]

He gets the credit for writing what God wanted him to write.

You're saying that God got it wrong?

The soul, which is in charge of the mind, the will, and the emotions, resides in the heart.

So, if you get a heart transplant you've got the soul of another person?

Put another way:
The brain is part of the body (soma).

Yes.

The heart is part of the soul (psyche).

No, the heart is a pump. The "psyche" is the mind, which is something the brain does, a physical, neurochemical process. No brain, no mind! Malfunctioning brain, malfunctioning mind.

The spirit is ... well ... the spirit (pneuma).

Pneuma (Greek) means wind or breath. The spirit is just so much wind, moving air, which may or may not carry intelligible meaning.

 

[TLK Valentine]

He didn't have to.

He gets the credit for writing what God wanted him to write.

Not what you think he knew or didn't know.

Then God gets the credit for getting it wrong. You sure you want to go there?

 

[AV1611VET]

Then God gets the credit for getting it wrong. You sure you want to go there?

Oh, absolutely.

God knows how to handle false accusers.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Oh, absolutely.

God knows how to handle false accusers.

It is how you paint your god that is the problem. You paint your god as a hopeless buffoon and when challenged on this say that your god can handle the false accusation. One can't help wondering though, how your god would feel about being repeatedly painted as a hopeless incompetent by his followers like you. I don't suppose it is the false accuations he would as concerned about as it would be the crass idiocy of his supposed followers, who seem to know so much about him, all of them having a personal relationship with him of course, that they never hesitate to make him out to be a complete fool.

 

[DerelictJunction]

As the Bible says:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is the substance of things we hope for, and the evidence of things unbelievers can't see.

I didn't see the word "unbelievers" in that verse.
I just read it in context and still don't see how "things not seen" applies only to unbelievers.
However, I don't have your depth of understanding and your way of finding the extra tidbits in the Word. Could you explain how you know that the "things not seen" only applies to unbelievers and not to believers as the examples in the rest of the chapter seem to indicate?