Why do YEC Christians commonly challenge the theory of evolution, while...

[BigV]

not challenging math or physics?

For example, lets assume there is Jesus/God, etc... Then Creationism could be right, however, 2+3= 5 could be wrong.

Because the miracle working Jesus could make 2+3=4,000 or maybe equal 400,000! Why not? Why must only the biology (and earth sciences when it pertains to dating methods) be challenged but no other challenges?

If I could only go back in time and attend a Christian school! I'd be their top student.

-teacher: "BigV, how much is 2+3"?
-BigV: "4,000"!
-teacher: "But last week you said it was 400,000!"
-BigV: "so what? Jesus is a miracle worker, he can do anything, he can make a snake talk, he can make a man walk on water without drowning and he can make 4,000 or 400,000 out of 2+3!

 

[Sketcher]

not challenging math or physics?

For example, lets assume there is Jesus/God, etc... Then Creationism could be right, however, 2+3= 5 could be wrong.

Because the miracle working Jesus could make 2+3=4,000 or maybe equal 400,000! Why not? Why must only the biology (and earth sciences when it pertains to dating methods) be challenged but no other challenges?

If I could only go back in time and attend a Christian school! I'd be their top student.

-teacher: "BigV, how much is 2+3"?
-BigV: "4,000"!
-teacher: "But last week you said it was 400,000!"
-BigV: "so what? Jesus is a miracle worker, he can do anything, he can make a snake talk, he can make a man walk on water without drowning and he can make 4,000 or 400,000 out of 2+3!

There's nothing in Scripture to suggest that God does what you say he might do with math. Sure, he'll multiply fish and loaves, but that's different from changing what numbers are. (Also, changing what numbers are would essentially make that miracle of the fish and loaves meaningless.)

 

[Sabertooth]

not challenging math or physics?

Math & physics are observable & reproducible.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Disclaimer: I am not a creationist.

Your argumentum ad absurdum example aside, you raise a good point. I think it's partly related to the fact that the simple arithmetic of your OP is an easily observed and falsifiable equation. Literally anybody can reproduce the sum of 3+5 (and other equations). However, evolutionary theory requires considerable study and (all due respect to everybody) an average or above average IQ.

In other words, a nuanced understanding of the fullness of the theory of evolution is beyond some objectors' intellectual capacities.

If it helps, there are skeptics out there who express disbelief in the existence of nuclear weapons. Others express similar doubts concerning Einstein's theory of special relativity. To be fair, their objections are not couched in religious terms. However, in several cases, I do notice some overlap between devout religious faith and a lack of belief specifically in those two items.

 

[Sabertooth]

However, evolutionary theory requires considerable study and (all due respect to everybody) an average or above average IQ.

The proportion of different opinions among Mensa members and Intertel members mirrors that of the general society, as do political opinions.

(edit: I don't think that I have ever met a Platygeist in either group, though.)

 

[coffee4u]

not challenging math or physics?

For example, lets assume there is Jesus/God, etc... Then Creationism could be right, however, 2+3= 5 could be wrong.

Because the miracle working Jesus could make 2+3=4,000 or maybe equal 400,000! Why not? Why must only the biology (and earth sciences when it pertains to dating methods) be challenged but no other challenges?

If I could only go back in time and attend a Christian school! I'd be their top student.

-teacher: "BigV, how much is 2+3"?
-BigV: "4,000"!
-teacher: "But last week you said it was 400,000!"
-BigV: "so what? Jesus is a miracle worker, he can do anything, he can make a snake talk, he can make a man walk on water without drowning and he can make 4,000 or 400,000 out of 2+3!

Unsure of what you mean.

I challenge evolution because
It isn't in the Bible
It makes no sense to no death before sin
Because Adam was a man who died 930 years after he was created
and it's a theory that is not only not repeatable by experiments but the idea that complex life and all that balances it from gravity to breathable air could have arisen from chance random process is mind-boggling. I think that model takes a lot more faith than believing God did a miracle.

2 + 3 is simply 5 and it will be everytime little Jonny puts down his math blocks.

 

[public hermit]

not challenging math or physics?

Big V, isn't the YEC challenging physics in terms of how physics determines the age of the universe?

 

[BigV]

There's nothing in Scripture to suggest that God does what you say he might do with math. Sure, he'll multiply fish and loaves, but that's different from changing what numbers are. (Also, changing what numbers are would essentially make that miracle of the fish and loaves meaningless.)

Come on, Jesus took two fish and five loaves, fed the five thousand AND had twelve extra baskets left over!

Bible says that Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever!

have you no faith?

Geology question: Can a mountain be moved from one continent to the next?

 

[Sketcher]

Come on, Jesus took two fish and five loaves, fed the five thousand AND had twelve extra baskets left over!

Bible says that Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever!

have you no faith?

I believe that miracle. I simply pointed out that it is different from the absurdity of making numbers essentially meaningless.

 

[BigV]

I think that model takes a lot more faith than believing God did a miracle.

Vs

2 + 3 is simply 5 and it will be everytime little Jonny puts down his math blocks

why do you assume miracles don’t happen with Johnny’s blocks?

I mean, Jesus is a living being that is active today, is he not?

In fact, according to the Bible, in him all things hold together.

 

[BigV]

I believe that miracle. I simply pointed out that it is different from the absurdity of making numbers essentially meaningless.

So, let me get this. You’re a naturalist when it comes to math but a miracle believing and affirming faithful when it comes to biology?

 

[BigV]

Math & physics are observable & reproducible.

so what? Just because you didn’t observe a miracle doesn’t mean miracles don’t happen. No?

According to Jesus, faith in Jesus helps people do great things. Perhaps 2+3 always = 5 because you don’t have faith?

how can Jesus’s promises be wrong?

 

[coffee4u]

why do you assume miracles don’t happen with Johnny’s blocks?

I mean, Jesus is a living being that is active today, is he not?

In fact, according to the Bible, in him all things hold together.

Creation was a miracle, Jonny's math homework is not.

 

[Sabertooth]

Perhaps 2+3 always = 5 because you don’t have faith?

IMX, 2 + 3 can equal 10 or 11, too, depending on one's frame of reference.

(edit: Even the miracle that you keep referring to had another factor outside of your frame of reference.)

 

[essentialsaltes]

Ectually... Holding YEC views requires one to reject most of the sciences, not just biology. The age of the earth is set by the laws of physics in radiometric dating. The age of the universe likewise in astronomy/cosmology. The age of sediments and features and continental drift by geology. Paleontology. The list could go on and on.

 

[GaveMeJoy]

not challenging math or physics?

For example, lets assume there is Jesus/God, etc... Then Creationism could be right, however, 2+3= 5 could be wrong.

Because the miracle working Jesus could make 2+3=4,000 or maybe equal 400,000! Why not? Why must only the biology (and earth sciences when it pertains to dating methods) be challenged but no other challenges?

If I could only go back in time and attend a Christian school! I'd be their top student.

-teacher: "BigV, how much is 2+3"?
-BigV: "4,000"!
-teacher: "But last week you said it was 400,000!"
-BigV: "so what? Jesus is a miracle worker, he can do anything, he can make a snake talk, he can make a man walk on water without drowning and he can make 4,000 or 400,000 out of 2+3!

Do you want a real answer or are you just trolling?
Arithmetic is created by man, according to specific set rules. 2+2=4.

the theory of evolution was invented by a guy who sincerely believed that African Americans were the missing link between apes and humans.

evolution is a theory just like creation. Math is not a theory.

 

[BigV]

Do you want a real answer or are you just trolling?
Arithmetic is created by man, according to specific set rules. 2+2=4.

Yes, I want real answers. 2+2=4 in a purely naturalistic world! In a world where donkey's speak, and a man can walk on water, in a world where 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread feed 5,000+ people AND you have baskets full of food left, why would a 2+2=4?

It seems to me Christians resort to a naturalistic mindset when they study arithmetic, but then pick up a 'miracles can happen' hat when they study biology. Why the inconsistency?

 

[essentialsaltes]

the theory of evolution was invented by a guy who sincerely believed that African Americans were the missing link between apes and humans.

No it wasn't.

 

[SPF]

not challenging math or physics?

For example, lets assume there is Jesus/God, etc... Then Creationism could be right, however, 2+3= 5 could be wrong.

Because the miracle working Jesus could make 2+3=4,000 or maybe equal 400,000! Why not? Why must only the biology (and earth sciences when it pertains to dating methods) be challenged but no other challenges?

If I could only go back in time and attend a Christian school! I'd be their top student.

-teacher: "BigV, how much is 2+3"?
-BigV: "4,000"!
-teacher: "But last week you said it was 400,000!"
-BigV: "so what? Jesus is a miracle worker, he can do anything, he can make a snake talk, he can make a man walk on water without drowning and he can make 4,000 or 400,000 out of 2+3!

Because the attribute of omnipotence as applied to God does not include the ability to perform the illogical.

When Christians say that God can do anything, we mean that God can do anything that is possible.

It is possible to take an inadequate amount of bread and fish and create more bread and fish to feed people.

It is not possible for God to create a pool so deep He can't swim to the bottom.

It is not possible for God to create another eternal being.

It is not possible for God to draw a square-circle.

It is not possible for God to create another God more powerful than Himself.

It is not possible for God to make a quantity of 1 plus another quantity of 1 equal a quantity of 3.

God can do all things possible.

 

[Ed1wolf]

not challenging math or physics?

For example, lets assume there is Jesus/God, etc... Then Creationism could be right, however, 2+3= 5 could be wrong.

Because the miracle working Jesus could make 2+3=4,000 or maybe equal 400,000! Why not? Why must only the biology (and earth sciences when it pertains to dating methods) be challenged but no other challenges?

If I could only go back in time and attend a Christian school! I'd be their top student.

-teacher: "BigV, how much is 2+3"?
-BigV: "4,000"!
-teacher: "But last week you said it was 400,000!"
-BigV: "so what? Jesus is a miracle worker, he can do anything, he can make a snake talk, he can make a man walk on water without drowning and he can make 4,000 or 400,000 out of 2+3!

While I am a OEC, not a YEC, the miracle of the feeding of the 4000 was Jesus creating food not doing math. The reason there are no problems with physics is that it can be empirically tested and also in the case of the BB theory even empirically observed in real time even though it occurred in the deep past. The theory of Evolution is a historical extrapolation and cannot be either one of those things.