Why do YE Creationists insist on a simplistic literal reading of the bible?

[lasthero]

Accepting evolution as taught requires total rejection of many parts of the Bible, including creation, the destruction and reconstruction of life, and the Fourth Commandment. I don't seen any scenario by which such important components could be false and the remainder of the Scriptures be true. If so, there are hundreds of other miracles which cannot happen in a purely natural world, so those must be false as well. Of course, we all know that the dead cannot return to life after three days, so there goes that "myth."

Maybe believing in evolution doesn't require atheism, but it requires a total rejection of most of the Bible. It also requires you to believe that things like origination of life, origination of matter, and the fact that there is no mechanism for the magical acquisition of genetic information do not matter and are not a part of science.

Comparatively speaking, Marvel comics and evolutionary biologists make exactly the same claims, only Stan Lee never tried to claim his work was factual.

How, exactly do you think evolution works? If you had to give a flat definition.

 

[KWCrazy]

How, exactly do you think evolution works? If you had to give a flat definition.

The truth or the lie?

The truth is that it doesn't because there is no increasing complexity. There is speciation which is designed into every organism; the ability to multiple and to adapt to different surroundings. It's possible to use selective breeding to create generations of offspring that are different from their ancestors, but speciation has its limits. At a certain point, the result is sterility and death. That's why all descendants of dogs will forever be members of the dog family. Adaptation is a conservative process by which genetic information can be lost or suppressed, but never augmented. There exists no process in nature for the magical development of new characteristics and the encoding of these into the reproductive system. That's why after decades of testing, irradiated fruit flies are still fruit flies.

The lie of evolution that is being taught is that all of life came from a single common progenitor, which give rise to the entire planet's biodiversity through benevolent mutations over billions of years. The cop out definition is that evolution is merely "the study of changes in allele frequency over time."

What is observed in nature is adaptation, which is a conservative process. What is being taught is the opposite; increasing complexity.

 

[lasthero]

There exists no process in nature for the magical development of new characteristics and the encoding of these into the reproductive system.

The earliest snake we've found is this thing called najash.

Najash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It had tiny legs, which modern snakes don't have. What it doesn't have is a rattle. How do rattlesnakes have that and najash doesn't? Isn't that a new characteristic? And never one that we have larger snakes with many more bones, like the anaconda, and special venom, like the cobra. How are these not new characteristics?

And what about these?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_wall_lizard

Do the secal valves these lizards developed not count as a new charectoristic? Why not?

. At a certain point, the result is sterility and death.

What is that 'certain point'?

 

[bhsmte]

You can discount the compass by which I live my life if you wish. I find it a bit interesting that people who hold little stock in religion enjoy talking about it so much

Recent studies have showed, non-believers have investigated religion quite thoroughly (often more so than believers of religion) and likely find it fascinating that so many people believe so strongly in it.

I can only speak for myself, but being the psychology buff that I am, it is very interesting to see people describe their reasons for believing what they do and it intrigues me.

Lastly, I hold nothing against someone who believes because it truly makes them a better person, but do have issue when those same folks make false claims about what is fact (without evidence), deny the glaring credibility issues with the bible and or attack science, because it may have a discovery that goes against what the bible states.

Beyond that, believe what you like, knock yourself out!

 

[Split Rock]

The truth is that it doesn't because there is no increasing complexity.

I suppose that is why simple chordates are first found in the fossil record before boneless jawless fish, which are first found before jawed boneless fish, which are first found before jawed bony fish, which are fist found before fishapods, which are first found before amphibians, etc.

There is speciation which is designed into every organism; the ability to multiple and to adapt to different surroundings.

Specifically how was this ability "designed" into every organism. Tell us.

It's possible to use selective breeding to create generations of offspring that are different from their ancestors, but speciation has its limits. At a certain point, the result is sterility and death.

Provide some evidence to back this claim up, please.

That's why all descendants of dogs will forever be members of the dog family.

How many times do you have to be told that we do not argue against this? Ten times? Twenty? Thirty? One Hundred?

Adaptation is a conservative process by which genetic information can be lost or suppressed, but never augmented.

So, if a gene is replicated and then mutated so that it carries out a new function, is this new information or not?

There exists no process in nature for the magical development of new characteristics and the encoding of these into the reproductive system.

We leave the "magic' to you YECs who think GEN 1-2 is a historical account.

 

[Kellyvee]

I'd have to say that many of the atheist posters often do just as much to drive people away from evolution and science as the creationists.

Sorry but that is just ridiculous I can honestly say with hand on heart that it has never ever happened,
people are not driven away from evolution by the words or deeds of other people because evolution is a fact,
there are dozens of different sciences so which ones did you have in mind? which one scares away the most?
people who say they were driven away never understood enough about them to be pushed away in the first place.

Evolution is there whether we all believe it or not, it just doesn't care about us or command us to believe,
people who know that evolution is the best explanation do not care about or even talk about evolution,
evolution is taken for granted like the weather, it's there and there's nothing we can do about it,
the only people who ever talk about evolution are creationists, that's why we are all so dumbfounded,
it's like a religious sect telling you that every raindrop that falls is controlled by their God, you would laugh at them.

You do realise that if creationists were not doing damage in schools they would be as ignored as the Amish.
But as they say, 'it's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil'.

 

[Kellyvee]

You can discount the compass by which I live my life if you wish.

You could accomplish the same thing just by being a good caring person, no need for a mythical God.

I find it a bit interesting that people who hold little stock in religion enjoy talking about it so much

We are interested because most of us know just how much damage religions can do to people and communities.

 

[AV1611VET]

We are interested because most of us know just how much damage religions can do to people and communities.

Is that why your ilk reminds us of the passage in the Bible about not suffering a witch to live?

You guys secretly are afraid of them, and want us to remove them for you?

At least religion lets a community get started first.

They even give them a chance to fight back.

As opposed to those who don't even give them a chance to take their first breath.

 

[BrianJK]

Recent studies have showed, non-believers have investigated religion quite thoroughly (often more so than believers of religion) and likely find it fascinating that so many people believe so strongly in it.

I can only speak for myself, but being the psychology buff that I am, it is very interesting to see people describe their reasons for believing what they do and it intrigues me.

Lastly, I hold nothing against someone who believes because it truly makes them a better person, but do have issue when those same folks make false claims about what is fact (without evidence), deny the glaring credibility issues with the bible and or attack science, because it may have a discovery that goes against what the bible states.

Beyond that, believe what you like, knock yourself out!

I wish simply that my family and I, and preferably the community of others with like mind, would be allowed to practice our faith without interference.

Nobody here has posed a single credibility issue that does not hinge upon reverence for scientific experiments.

You think you have the right to attack religion but religious people don't have the right to attack science (which I have not done; I have just tried to answer questions)

 

[Kellyvee]

I wish simply that my family and I, and preferably the community of others with like mind, would be allowed to practice our faith without interference.

Who is stopping you from doing just that? if you talk to someone you should expect them to talk back,
they might not always say the things you want to hear but if not then don't talk to them.

Nobody here has posed a single credibility issue that does not hinge upon reverence for scientific experiments.

You feel that you can say whatever you like to other people just because you believe in an imaginary God,
not so, you can't.

You think you have the right to attack religion but religious people don't have the right to attack science (which I have not done; I have just tried to answer questions)

Creationists talk about science in ways that show they know nothing about science, what should people do?
just listen and say nothing? creationism damages lives so please feel free to go some place and damage your own.

You can talk about and even attack something providing you can back up what you are saying,
if you can't back it up then it's perhaps best that you stay quiet, making unfounded statements is never a good thing,
saying bad things about subjects of which you know nothing is also never a good thing.

 

[BrianJK]

Who is stopping you from doing just that? if you talk to someone you should expect them to talk back,
they might not always say the things you want to hear but if not then don't talk to them.

You feel that you can say whatever you like to other people just because you believe in an imaginary God,
not so, you can't.

Creationists talk about science in ways that show they know nothing about science, what should people do?
just listen and say nothing? creationism damages lives so please feel free to go some place and damage your own.

You can talk about and even attack something providing you can back up what you are saying,
if you can't back it up then it's perhaps best that you stay quiet, making unfounded statements is never a good thing,
saying bad things about subjects of which you know nothing is also never a good thing.

You are the one calling other people's beliefs damaging. You are doing the attacking. You talk about religion from an anti-religious point if view and get upset when someone doesn't accept everything you do about science? You feel like you can insult people's beliefs all day and you have a problem when someone doesn't believe what you do?

There is nothing that damages lives about creation.

 

[KWCrazy]

Sorry but that is just ridiculous I can honestly say with hand on heart that it has never ever happened,

You have no way to validate your assertion.

evolution is a fact,

Your statement is false. Evolution is a theory, which is why it's constantly modified. Laws are considered facts, not theories.

Evolution is there whether we all believe it or not, it just doesn't care about us or command us to believe,

Evolution is not an incarnate being with feelings.

evolution is taken for granted like the weather, it's there and there's nothing we can do about it,

This is complete nonsense. You know this, right?

the only people who ever talk about evolution are creationists, that's why we are all so dumbfounded,

NEWS FLASH! You're talking about evolution! That must mean you're a creationist.

You do realise that if creationists were not doing damage in schools they would be as ignored as the Amish.

Okay, so you've established your biggotry. What's wrong with the Amish?

But as they say, 'it's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil'.

That's grease, by the way, not oil.

 

[Kellyvee]

You are the one calling other people's beliefs damaging. You are doing the attacking. You talk about religion from an anti-religious point if view and get upset when someone doesn't accept everything you do about science? You feel like you can insult people's beliefs all day and you have a problem when someone doesn't believe what you do?

There is nothing that damages lives about creation.

I honestly do not care what you believe, you can believe whatever you want.

Have a look around the Internet and see what the world thinks about creationism, in the schools where it exists it is destroying the pupils education, don't take my word take a look for yourself, go to sites other than creationist sites and see what people are saying then ask other creationists why people are saying it.
Creationists are the last people to learn that creationism is bad, just like the person being cheated on is the last person to find out, everyone knows before they do.
It will hurt but you will at least find out the truth.

 

[BrianJK]

I honestly do not care what you believe, you can believe whatever you want.

Have a look around the Internet and see what the world thinks about creationism, in the schools where it exists it is destroying the pupils education, don't take my word take a look for yourself, go to sites other than creationist sites and see what people are saying then ask other creationists why people are saying it.
Creationists are the last people to learn that creationism is bad, just like the person being cheated on is the last person to find out, everyone knows before they do.
It will hurt but you will at least find out the truth.

Your opinion is that creationism is bad. The world has created laws that force this lie of evolution on Christian children an you say CREATION is destructive??

 

[KWCrazy]

You feel that you can say whatever you like to other people just because you believe in an imaginary God,

Please change your religious icon. Non denominational is not the same in believing God is imaginary. You're misrepresenting yourself, and I don't think that's allowed.

Creationists talk about science in ways that show they know nothing about science, what should people do?

False. We know there are things science cannot study, measure, test, validate or disprove.

just listen and say nothing? creationism damages lives

Please present evidence to back this statement.

if you can't back it up then it's perhaps best that you stay quiet, making unfounded statements is never a good thing,

I look forward to seeing the proof of your previous statement.

 

[AV1611VET]

I honestly do not care what you believe, you can believe whatever you want.

Have a look around the Internet and see what the world thinks about creationism, in the schools where it exists it is destroying the pupils education, don't take my word take a look for yourself, go to sites other than creationist sites and see what people are saying then ask other creationists why people are saying it.
Creationists are the last people to learn that creationism is bad, just like the person being cheated on is the last person to find out, everyone knows before they do.
It will hurt but you will at least find out the truth.

You type like this, while railing against quality education?

Are you telling me kids can't divide by ten in their heads or find the North Pole on a map because of creationism?

Do kids punctuate sentences like you because of creationism?

Is this what you want us to believe?

 

[AV1611VET]

Please change your religious icon. Non denominational is not the same in believing God is imaginary. You're misrepresenting yourself, and I don't think that's allowed.

If he is who I think he is, he's misrepresenting a lot of things; including his gender.

 

[Split Rock]

If he is who I think he is, he's misrepresenting a lot of things; including his gender.

I have to agree with AVET on this one... you guys should just ignore that sock-puppet.

 

[bhsmte]

I wish simply that my family and I, and preferably the community of others with like mind, would be allowed to practice our faith without interference.

Nobody here has posed a single credibility issue that does not hinge upon reverence for scientific experiments.

You think you have the right to attack religion but religious people don't have the right to attack science (which I have not done; I have just tried to answer questions)

Are you not allowed to practice the faith of your choosing freely?

If you don't believe in the objective verifiable evidence that science relies upon, that is your choice to do so, just don't claim people who do rely on evidence, are attacking religion, because they are simply looking for the truth in a logical rational way.

Again, if someone wants to believe in something without objective evidence, I have no issue what so ever, just don't state you do have objective evidence, because doing so only makes a person look foolish.

 

[BrianJK]

Are you not allowed to practice the faith of your choosing freely?

If you don't believe in the objective verifiable evidence that science relies upon, that is your choice to do so, just don't claim people who do rely on evidence, are attacking religion, because they are simply looking for the truth in a logical rational way.

Again, if someone wants to believe in something without objective evidence, I have no issue what so ever, just don't state you do have objective evidence, because doing so only makes a person look foolish.

If by objective evidence you mean scientific evidence, I have left science out of this. There are people who attack religion (try to restrict the practice thereof). I didn't mean to imply an attack by you. However it gets tiresome when people who think their way is the only right way use belittling language simply because we have different standards for what is truth. If you truly have no issue, why speak down?