Why do YE Creationists insist on a simplistic literal reading of the bible?

[Split Rock]

You assume everyone reveres scientific evidence the way you do. That's not the case. Your standard isn't the standard of everyone else, even if you want it to be.

But its not just the science of biology, astronomy and geology. Its the history of literature in the Near East and the study of early cultures as well. All of this points to the early chapters of GEN being mostly allegorical. You have no problem "revering scientific evidence" when you want to travel across the country, or watch a live event on TV occurring in Europe, or need an operation. Why do you stop "revering scientific evidence" when it comes to the origin of our world and our species, or the interpretation of a book written long before your own time?

 

[Split Rock]

When YE's accept the world can only be less than 10, 000 years old and argue that dinosaur fossils and earth sediments that have been dated to millions of years old are a trick of the Devil placed there so as to test their faith, simplistic reading of the Bible is the only excuse that can be afforded to defend that.

I don't know who answered that the date testing for dinosaur fossils was a trick of the devil to test faith. It certainly wasn't me that said that. I think your equipment is off, personally.

Yes, I agree with you on this. That's an outdated idea that very few YECs hold to nowadays.

 

[BrianJK]

But its not just the science of biology, astronomy and geology. Its the history of literature in the Near East and the study of early cultures as well. All of this points to the early chapters of GEN being mostly allegorical. You have no problem "revering scientific evidence" when you want to travel across the country, or watch a live event on TV occurring in Europe, or need an operation. Why do you stop "revering scientific evidence" when it comes to the origin of our world and our species, or the interpretation of a book written long before your own time?

The Book, I believe, is God inspired, not just in idea but in every Word. If He chose to write it in a familiar way for readers, that is good. I don't see how comparing God's Word with the writing of men should have any effect on the Word's accuracy. If other people wrote allegory, that doesn't force God to.

I accept that science has its place and can do cool stuff, especially when it doesn't try to defy the Word of God. A scientist doesn't need to rely on a universe billions of years old to make a car that can take me on a road trip, to broadcast the 50th Anniversary special of Doctor Who, or to remove my gall bladder. Science can do all those things with an earth 6,000 years old as well.

When science decides it doesn't need God and sets out to find "evidence" specifically trying to "disprove" the Bible, that's where they lose me, not in car rides, broadcasts or surgeries.

 

[Kellyvee]

So you look down on people who do not share your beliefs on this subject? Same with other subjects? Why would you "cry" thinking back?

I don't look down on anyone why do you assume that I do? I can see how you are now in how I used to be.

I cried because I could see how easily I had been fooled and it made me feel both ashamed and angry.
How could I not have seen what was happening? other people are the fools not me so how did I let it happen?
I now know that I didn't let it happen I had been conditioned to accept it for a long long time.

I know it's a waste of time being here because I know from experience that I can not help anyone,
I know there is nothing I can write that will even dent the surface of your belief because nothing could dent mine.
I eventually through pure luck did it myself, a seed of doubt planted itself in my brain that I could not dismiss and grew until I had to deal with it, dealing with it made me eventually lose my faith, it took a while but it was worth it in the end.

I always likened my Christianity to being a two pack a day smoker, easy to start and keep going but impossible to stop,
but if you manage it you will be the one to benefit.

All I can do is wish you well.

 

[BrianJK]

So Christianity is deadly?

 

[AV1611VET]

consol??

IMO

 

[Kellyvee]

So Christianity is deadly?

What do you think I think of Christianity? if you got over a disease how would you feel about that disease?

I can see that religions are not good, they do more harm than good and the world would be a better place without them.

The US is living in a world that should be long gone, superstitions myths and poverty should all be long gone.

We should all be looking out for each other because we want to not because a magic man in the sky says we should.

 

[Split Rock]

The Book, I believe, is God inspired, not just in idea but in every Word. If He chose to write it in a familiar way for readers, that is good. I don't see how comparing God's Word with the writing of men should have any effect on the Word's accuracy. If other people wrote allegory, that doesn't force God to.

I accept that science has its place and can do cool stuff, especially when it doesn't try to defy the Word of God. A scientist doesn't need to rely on a universe billions of years old to make a car that can take me on a road trip, to broadcast the 50th Anniversary special of Doctor Who, or to remove my gall bladder. Science can do all those things with an earth 6,000 years old as well.

When science decides it doesn't need God and sets out to find "evidence" specifically trying to "disprove" the Bible, that's where they lose me, not in car rides, broadcasts or surgeries.

I submit you have a scewed view of science. There is no field of science that, generally speaking, involves trying to "disprove" the bible. That is not the intent. Science is a tool for understanding the physical/ natural world around us. Period. It has nothing to do with God or the bible. If the conclusions scientists come to from examining the physical evidence around us involves a very old earth, or common descent, it isn't the result of trying to "disprove" the bible. To put it another way, the bible isn't even on our radar.

 

[BrianJK]

What do you think I think of Christianity? if you got over a disease how would you feel about that disease?

I can see that religions are not good, they do more harm than good and the world would be a better place without them.

The US is living in a world that should be long gone, superstitions myths and poverty should all be long gone.

We should all be looking out for each other because we want to not because a magic man in the sky says we should.

So your issue isn't with young earth creation or even creationism at all... you take issue with any and all religion?

 

[AV1611VET]

I can see that religions are not good, they do more harm than good and the world would be a better place without them.

I see you've been listening to John (We're more popular than Christ) Lennon.

While singing ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE, they helped fund the war in Ireland.

For your information, more atrocities have occurred under atheist regimes, than religious ones.

Atheism and Mass Murder

 

[TLK Valentine]

I see you've been listening to John (We're more popular than Christ) Lennon.

While singing ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE, they helped fund the war in Ireland.

Guess John Lennon came not to bring peace, but a sword.

For your information, more atrocities have occurred under atheist regimes, than religious ones.

Atheism and Mass Murder

If I wanted information -- Conservapedia is the last place I'd look. Even the Bible itself is too liberal for them.

Conservative Bible Project - Conservapedia

Guess ol' King James can take a hike, eh AV?

 

[bhsmte]

Not revering scientific evidence is just a different standard. You have basically just reverted to schoolyard namecalling because I don't have the same standard that you do...

So, do you deny all evidence that science provides or just what you choose to deny?

 

[BrianJK]

I submit you have a scewed view of science. There is no field of science that, generally speaking, involves trying to "disprove" the bible. That is not the intent. Science is a tool for understanding the physical/ natural world around us. Period. It has nothing to do with God or the bible. If the conclusions scientists come to from examining the physical evidence around us involves a very old earth, or common descent, it isn't the result of trying to "disprove" the bible. To put it another way, the bible isn't even on our radar.

And that is the difference between us. The Bible isn't on your radar. The Bible IS my radar.

 

[bhsmte]

The Book, I believe, is God inspired, not just in idea but in every Word. If He chose to write it in a familiar way for readers, that is good. I don't see how comparing God's Word with the writing of men should have any effect on the Word's accuracy. If other people wrote allegory, that doesn't force God to.

I accept that science has its place and can do cool stuff, especially when it doesn't try to defy the Word of God. A scientist doesn't need to rely on a universe billions of years old to make a car that can take me on a road trip, to broadcast the 50th Anniversary special of Doctor Who, or to remove my gall bladder. Science can do all those things with an earth 6,000 years old as well.

When science decides it doesn't need God and sets out to find "evidence" specifically trying to "disprove" the Bible, that's where they lose me, not in car rides, broadcasts or surgeries.

Science is not out to defy the word of God, science is out to discover and it follows the evidence wherever it may lead.

The scientific method doesn't isolate on God and ignorance is created when people shut it out because they think it does.

 

[Kellyvee]

So your issue isn't with young earth creation or even creationism at all... you take issue with any and all religion?

I take issue with anything that warps and damages young minds as should you.
You are free to believe what you like, you are also free to maintain your beliefs in anyway that works for you.

I didn't realise it at the time but I lied to myself on a very regular basis, I convinced myself that lying was not lying if it was done for good reasons and what could be a better reason than keeping myself believing in God?
It was just a pity there was no God there to appreciate what I was doing for him.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't look down on anyone why do you assume that I do? I can see how you are now in how I used to be.

I cried because I could see how easily I had been fooled and it made me feel both ashamed and angry.
How could I not have seen what was happening? other people are the fools not me so how did I let it happen?
I now know that I didn't let it happen I had been conditioned to accept it for a long long time.

I know it's a waste of time being here because I know from experience that I can not help anyone,
I know there is nothing I can write that will even dent the surface of your belief because nothing could dent mine.
I eventually through pure luck did it myself, a seed of doubt planted itself in my brain that I could not dismiss and grew until I had to deal with it, dealing with it made me eventually lose my faith, it took a while but it was worth it in the end.

I always likened my Christianity to being a two pack a day smoker, easy to start and keep going but impossible to stop,
but if you manage it you will be the one to benefit.

All I can do is wish you well.

I would agree.

No one ever really makes a major change in their life unless it is their idea. You can heap evidence and logic on them forever and they will reject until it is their idea to go a certain direction.

 

[Kellyvee]

No one ever really makes a major change in their life unless it is their idea. You can heap evidence and logic on them forever and they will reject until it is their idea to go a certain direction.

That's 100% true.

It's like tricksters who starts by telling you that you're smart and no one can fool you, they then proceed to convince you that it would be a good idea to give them your money, some can even get you to think it was all your own idea.
All people are gullable some are just more gullable than others.

 

[TLK Valentine]

And that is the difference between us. The Bible isn't on your radar. The Bible IS my radar.

One would think God would be your radar.

 

[BrianJK]

So why do you argue creation instead of God Himself?

 

[BrianJK]

One would think God would be your radar.

I shall rephrase then. You are right. God is my radar. This includes His Word.