Soulsearching
We have the Wiccan Rede. We don't really need a bible anyways.
(my comma key still doesn't work)
We have the Wiccan Rede. We don't really need a bible anyways.
(my comma key still doesn't work)
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Nope, don't need to. All belief systems, including yours and ours, are unproven by default until they can be proven. Since no one has ever been able to show that one belief system is true and another is false that puts everyone on the same level.SoulSearching said:Do you, Havoc or any of the others try to disprove other beliefs/religions.
Certtainly not. I know plenty of kind, loving Christians. There's quite a few on this board. There's also a few who are mean and spiteful. There's a few who are just simply intolerant of others, apparently not realising how damaging it is to their religion.Do you lump every Christian in the burning or killing category??? Perhaps we all need to look at our own quirks or biases.
Why should we admit to something we don't believe? I can't recall ever having said every path is Divine. As I pointed out when you asked that question previously the phrase is "all paths lead to the Divine". I firmly believe there will be plenty of Christians in T'ir Nan Og, albeit some rather surprised ones. I don't believe we'll see any intolerant "my way or hell's highway" people there because to get there they will have to eventually learn how harmful and counter-productive that attitude is.I never can get wiccans to admit that every path is divine according to their own belief. If they did there would be NO debate on their side because it's not suppose to matter to wiccans rather your a Christian, Muslims, Satanist, or whatever. I question people who can't live up to their own belief.
Noooooooo. It was a thread discussing the attitude some Christians have where they villify, despise, and use false witness against Witches. Take a web search using the words "witchcraft" and "christian". The vast majority of Christian made sites that come up will tell you how evil, depraved, and dangerous we are, how we murder children and conspire to break up families and write children's books that destroy society. That's a good indication of hate.The thread Why Do Christians Hate Wicca/Witches was nothing more then using the Bible against Christians.
Not really.I'm sure you're wondering how I came to the conclusion.
Many Christians seem to think it's ok to curse, hate, and despitefully use those who don't persecute you. Therein lies the problem. Witches have no desire to persecute anyone. Many Christians must have an enemy to validate scriptures like this, and will manufacture an enemy where none exists.Matthew 5
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
If one peruses the posts on this site that deal with Witches, or Muslims, or homosexuals, etc. it becomes very plain very quickly who is doing the condemning, an it ain't us WitchesMuslims have used this tactic too. No where in the Quran are Muslims told to love their enemies. Since wicca does not have a Bible, Quran, or even a handbook I am sure they are not told to love their enemies either. Hence they use the Bible to try and condemn us by using the ole hate tactic. They don't like it when we use the Bible to show any of the whys.
Yes... Yes it certainly is.It's warped.
She's doing well thanx. The cold bothers her but that's to be expected.BTW Havoc, how is your Mom doing?
Havoc,Havoc said:The believe as generally stated is "all paths lead to the Divine". A subtle but important difference. I believe the path I followed as a Christian did lead me to the Divine, as a Witch. I also believe that some Christians can arrive at the Divine as Christians.
I believe intolerant, bigotted zealots of any religion will have a long, long path to tread before they reach the Divine, unless they give up intolerance and bigottry.
I have never, in the internet or in person, seen or heard a Wiccan bash Christianity or express hatred towards Christians. Can you link to an example of the bashing and hatred you're referring to?SoulSearching said:Hello All, I've read the many posts in the thread Why Do Christians Hate Wicca(Witchcraft)?
Now I would like to ask Why Do Wiccans/Witches hate Christians?
I was once told by a Wiccan/Witch that according to wicca every path is divine. If that is true why all the Christian bashing?
God Bless
SoulSearching
Sorry SoulSearching but you are trying to paint me with a brush that has no paint.SoulSearching said:Havoc,
Which is it divine or not. If I have chosen the divine path of Christianity what does it matter to you? You offer no plan of salvation that I feel comfort in. I will have to answer for my own choice and Christianity is my DIVINE path.
It would appear that some are intolerant of Christianity but are to blind to see.
Check yourselves and see which belief/religion you spend the most time trying to refute or disprove. Maybe then you will truly see your own intolerance.
God Bless!
SoulSearching
Hi MorningStar,MorningStar334 said:Soulsearching
We have the Wiccan Rede. We don't really need a bible anyways.
(my comma key still doesn't work)
Smilin, You sure make a big deal about your Indian heritage: I am happy for you but my Indian heritage does not rule me but neither does my Polish/Jewish/English/ or Irish. My Indian Grandmother married my Polish Grandfather, now that's one you won't see everyday.Smilin said:And another thing...being told we have just been 'misguided'.
Christianity guided me back to my heritage and the spirituality
of my forefathers.
Soooo...stating the belief that we are 'misguided', given the
fact that most I've communed with are former Christians
implies that Christianity in itself is misguiding...
(wow, I'm spinning in circles)
"Listen to the wind, for it speeks to us....
No Havoc, I'm painting you with the right brush. God didn't turn his back on you, you turned your back on him. He knows us better then we know ourselves. He knew where you where headed.Havoc said:Sorry SoulSearching but you are trying to paint me with a brush that has no paint.
I do not try to refute or disprove Christianity. I don't need to. I do challenge the statements of some Christians that my religion is false, that is all.
I'm not the one that goes around claiming my beliefs are absolute truth and all other beliefs are absolutey false. It is ridiculous to try to claim that I am intolerant simply because I don't agree with people who tell me I'm wrong.
Nice try though.
Yes, you're rather new here. Go back to my first posts. You'll find thatSoulSearching said:Hello Smilin,
How many Muslims, Buddhists, Satanist, and so forth do you debate? Is your debate reserved mainly for Christians?
I respect all religions/non-religions. You'll find that made me very unpopularDo you, Havoc or any of the others try to disprove other beliefs/religions. Do you lump every Christian in the burning or killing category??? Perhaps we all need to look at our own quirks or biases.
You are painting me with the wrong brush simply because you are telling me I believe in things I do not believe in. Only I am qualified to say what I believe in.SoulSearching said:No Havoc, I'm painting you with the right brush. God didn't turn his back on you, you turned your back on him. He knows us better then we know ourselves. He knew where you where headed.
Ahhhh, so you're the one called Justice on that board. Well that explains a lot. I didn't set out to disprove the Canon or Christianity over there any more than I do here. Once again I don't need to. Christianity is unproven by default, just like any other religion. There, as here, when someone trieds to tell me my faith is false and theirs is absolutely true, I point out the fallacies and difficulties in their premise. This is not hard to do since the normal tactic is to use the Bible. The Bible cannot be shown to be valid as the "Word of God" so it is relatively easy to do. Are you suggesting that when someone uses faulty logic, supposition, and speculation to tell me how wrong I am I should just be quiet and take it?Havoc on 123Christian you tried time and time again to disprove the Bible/Canon. Do I need to post our debates over here. I really didn't want to get back into this debate with you but I see the same thing here. Your still not happy with my or many other Christians divine path. Why???
Nathan David said:Soul Searching, we're still waiting for an example, from you, of one of the following:
+ Wiccans expressing hatred towards Christians
Havoc said:If your path is the one true path then I really am in trouble. I would rather risk hellfire than become a prejudiced bigot who worships the kind of God who rewards prejudiced bigots
+ Wiccans bashing Christians
Isaiah 53's reply to Havoc:Havoc said:I would have thought claiming to have proof of absolute truth without a shred of substantive evidence to back it up would be a better example of decieving our youth.
You lie to them about proof you don't have while actively recruiting while we simply say what it is we believe without proseletysing. Who is doing the decieving here?
"Hate the sin, love the sinner" is nothing more than a cute slogan to justify your prejudiceand bigotry.
Isaiah53 said:Such anger!!You are quick to throw out the need for proof. Give me substantive proof for ANY faith. True (Christianity) or False (All others)
The fact is you are a very angry person with real hostility toward Christianity in general. I don't understand you misguided anger. IMO I think it is fear; fear that you are on the wrong path. For this is but one path to God; Jesus Christ!!
If following the Way and telling others of the truth of Christ makes me a bigot or prejudiced in your eyes, as false as that is, so be it.
PEACE IN CHRIST!!
Smilin said:Others refrain from Christianity due to false prophets & faith healers...i.e. televangelists simply because 'not
just anyone can be charismatic enough to pull it off'.
So, the easist way for others of us to deal with this
is declare the whole religion a hoax. If such could
perform such 'healing miracles' they would be
in Saint Judes Children hospital sparing all the innocent
children the horror and suffering of dying from cancer..
Instead, they spread their disease, lies, and misinformation like other 'Christians' on this
forum and prefer to line their own nest with $$$$$
TOUCHE'!!!!!
+ Wiccans trying to convert Christians to Wicca
Havoc said:Correction: You believe Jesus said that. There's no way to know if he did or not. Even if he did say it what makes his claim of being the mesiah any better than the other couple hundred guys that have made the same claim.
Do I believe your Christ was God? No.
Do I accept your unsubstantiated claim that he was? No.
Do you accept my beliefs as truth? Probably not.
I guess that makes us even. But not believing in your God doesn't make us dishonest. You claiming we are "talking out of both sides of our mouth" certainly says a lot about you though. Once again I, and no doubt many other people, are reminded by your example of why we don't want to be a Christian.
You're one of the best recruiting tools we have Carico. Thanx
Without one of the above the whole premise of your OP has no merit.
LastMaxim said:do compare the dead sea scrolls with what we have today...estimated at 99% similar.
.Havoc said:Accurate translation and preservation of text does not prove that the story in the text is true
SquareC said:But from an outsiders' point of view, it is dangerous to think that anyone's interpretation of the Bible is actually what it means to God. Too many contradictions, too many different beliefs within Christianity
Rae said:For many of us, the Bible is the words of fallible humans only. We find "God" elsewhere
Smilin said:Your God of the Bible, the God of Abraham,
the same God of the three predominant religions
of the world: Judaism, Islam, & Christianity...
How can the God of Abraham, the birth of three
religions
Havoc said:You mean the person is not worshipping your God. Witches are worshipping their Gods and Goddesses. You cannot show that your God is the only God. You cannot show he exists at all.
SoulSearching said:I lost part of the above quote but this statement is false. I would ask Smilin to prove that allah and God are the same. 1 big difference allah does NOT have a son.
God Bless!
SoulSearching
Don't worry it won't be embarrassing to me. You forget I know you well. BTW I have not told you what you believe. It's straight from your so called testimony you gave out in the Why Do Christians Hate Wicca/Witches thread, Remember???Havoc said:You are painting me with the wrong brush simply because you are telling me I believe in things I do not believe in. Only I am qualified to say what I believe in.
I didn't turn my back on God, you're God failed me, either becuse he chose to or he doesn't exist. As it turned out I did find God, and Goddess. The Divine I found doesn't correspond to the "oneway" God you claim to believe in. That's not refuting your religion, that's just disagreeing with it and seeing something different than what you nclaim to see. Why is it that some Christians see simple disagreement as an all-out assault?
Ahhhh, so you're the one called Justice on that board. Well that explains a lot. I didn't set out to disprove the Canon or Christianity over there any more than I do here. Once again I don't need to. Christianity is unproven by default, just like any other religion. There, as here, when someone trieds to tell me my faith is false and theirs is absolutely true, I point out the fallacies and difficulties in their premise. This is not hard to do since the normal tactic is to use the Bible. The Bible cannot be shown to be valid as the "Word of God" so it is relatively easy to do. Are you suggesting that when someone uses faulty logic, supposition, and speculation to tell me how wrong I am I should just be quiet and take it?
Feel free to post whatever you wish from that board. It will become readily apparent to anyone that I don't attack, but I defend effectively. I would caution you to post entire conversations though, so as not to take my words out of context. If you don't I certainly will, and that would be rather embarrassing for you.
It is not my place to be happy or unhappy with your path. It is my place to correct intentional or unintentional misinformation in your description of me and my path.
I know who I am now, where I came from, and am at peace.SoulSearching said:Smilin, You sure make a big deal about your Indian heritage: I am happy for you but my Indian heritage does not rule me but neither does my Polish/Jewish/English/ or Irish. My Indian Grandmother married my Polish Grandfather, now that's one you won't see everyday.
I listen to the Earth and the Wind, for they speak to me.I listen for his voice because God speaks to us.
I find all religions and cultures interesting.BTW which belief/religion do you debate the most???
Welcome to the Non-Christian Spirituality thread.Godschild said:In my opinion, it's amazing how some wiccans/pagans are so quick to say that christianity is false in ALL aspects, but I have YET to see anyone give any proof that a Goddess exists.
Sorry Smilin! I was back spacing and lost some of that quote. I will go back and post the rest later if that's really what you want. I think it looks better as is but that's your choice.Smilin said:SoulSearching:
I simply stated that the three main religions of the world: Judaism,
Christianity, and Islam were born of Abraham.
Now kindly post my COMPLETE response and don't put words in my mouth.
I didn't make a statement, I posed a question.
When will people get it through there heads that all religions are based upon one thing and one thing alone. Faith.Godschild said:In my opinion, it's amazing how some wiccans/pagans are so quick to say that christianity is false in ALL aspects, but I have YET to see anyone give any proof that a Goddess exists.
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