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Why Do They Hate?

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I really don't see how people can believe in something like a god.
It all seems rather fake to me.

But... what I was wondering is why so many people have problems with gays. Before I broke up with my girlfriend, I had a couple of run-ins with some fundamentalists and being called a sinner and that I was going to hell. For having somebody I really liked.

I appreciate that a majority of Christians are not like this, but I was wondering why it happens?

Sasu xx
 

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People are frightened and when they are firghtened they find it easy to hate. It is unacceptable, IMO, for such an attitude to come from Christians but not all feel my way, unfortunately.
 
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were they being harsh with you or ? the bible does have some strong messages, I hope those fundamentalists were not just personally attacking you.

the bible does say we are all sinners. to say we aren't sinners is lying basically. sin includes lying, stealing, doing bad things, etc. for sex, God designs sex to be a blessing of marriage, for procreation to be in the context of blessed marriage with your lifelong partner. it isn't good to have sex with someone you aren't committed to, it leads to unwanted pregnancy, disease, things God knows hurts us, He only takes away things that are bad for us.

your question is why it happens? do you mean why some people preach that? there are bible verses that say such things, and the christian message is to try to encourage to get away from sins, and to turn to God. often times, christians and churchgoers can say it badly, offensively, inappropriately, etc. I hope you can forgive the ones who may not represent Jesus so well, although He does have hard teachings against sin, God only wants what is best for us, even if often times the best way may not be as much fun. God bless
 
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There is absolutely no logic what so ever in saying that there is no God! Creation DEMANDS a CREATOR!!! Or does it really make more sense to believe that everything just popped out of nowhere?! That Nothing just exploded and created all that we have now?! That makes no sense at all! And as far as gays......it's wrong!...alot of gays want to have kids......think for a second.....if they were meant to have kids....there would be a way for them to procreate! But back to gays.....God says its wrong! And clearly woman were not physically created to be with other women, nor men with men! Homosexuality is a sin, and just like all other sin.....it is wrong!
 
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There is absolutely no logic what so ever in saying that there is no God! Creation DEMANDS a CREATOR!!! Or does it really make more sense to believe that everything just popped out of nowhere?! That Nothing just exploded and created all that we have now?! That makes no sense at all! And as far as gays......it's wrong!...alot of gays want to have kids......think for a second.....if they were meant to have kids....there would be a way for them to procreate! But back to gays.....God says its wrong! And clearly woman were not physically created to be with other women, nor men with men! Homosexuality is a sin, and just like all other sin.....it is wrong!
I couldnt of said it better myself
 
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What troubles me is that people try and change people that don't believe in God. What good is that? Why try and change someone to behave what you believe according to scripture is right living. Where did Jesus say live morally and be saved. He doesn't say it. So, I see no point in pointing out sins to people who do not believe.

I'm not talking about raising children. Children should be taught right from wrong of course. An athiest or agnostic can be more morally right then a Christian. It's just that they do not believe in Christ.

Rather preach the truth in love, preach the gospel of Christ, when someone believes they then turn from sins are the Lord convicts them, not all as we sin all our lives.

Let the Holy Spirit do His work in each man.

I do believe that homosexuality is a sin but it is no different than my sin. All sin is wrong doing.

I came to Christ not by being yelled at to change my ways, but through the love of a body of believers that God led me to. The pastor led me to the Lord, he didn't ask me to repent of my sins, but when I was born again, when I believed then I was convicted of certain things, not all things, but certain things. The pastor was wise and knew it is not the job of man to change man, but it is God's job.

I'm not talking about believers helping other believers in sin, I'm talking about new believers coming to Christ. It must be God that does the change or it's just a man made change, not one that God did. If someone changes to please another man, well, that's great and all but it doesn't cause the heart change that God desires.

There is no reason for people to be mean, but we are all in different walks of our faith and all don't understand some things, and that should be taken into account when dealing with Christians. Jesus hated hypocrisy, and so should we as Christians. But we all alike have our hypocrisies. We need to be real to others to show them our faith. Not try and mold them into what we believe they should be or do. God is the molder.

Blessings, Tapero
 
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I really don't see how people can believe in something like a god.
It all seems rather fake to me.

But... what I was wondering is why so many people have problems with gays. Before I broke up with my girlfriend, I had a couple of run-ins with some fundamentalists and being called a sinner and that I was going to hell. For having somebody I really liked.

I appreciate that a majority of Christians are not like this, but I was wondering why it happens?

Sasu xx
As I grew up, I was a very naive kid and people did not have their mouths open about sex all the time. Today, that seems to be all people can think of - like it would be more important.
I had many friends, and I paid no attention to anything said about "queers". I was even accused along with another friend of mine just because we were tenors in the high school choir. No matter that I played football, too, but I know how red-neck some of the things were back then too. Still, I knew who these people were that had more of homosexual tendancies and never shunned them or was prejudiced at all. We were always friends and hung out together until now, but it is not me that has the prejudice. Because I call myself a Christain and say I believe in the Bible, it is I that am seperated and forced to answer questions and be cross- examined for my beliefs. It's funny, I heard and earlier poster say that we persecute them with laws when I see it the opposite - where I am required to defend myself and be shook out for answers. I cared for all these people and was best friends with some back then, but when I could not give them what they wanted from me, I was pushed away and falsely accused. I wonder how many Christians are falsely accused of not caring for or loving the gay people? I admire and love people easily, overlooking their faults, but I still cannot change the truth of God's word about sex. We are called to the eternal things of love, faith, and hope, while sex only lasts for the temporary fleeting moments. We are called to love that carries deep commitment and life - not just something to be used and thrown away like a party favor; yet that seems to be what some people cry for today - more sex, more play, more fun, while the world bleeds and starves to death overnight! They want to be justified before God in what He calls sin and have it not be called sin by Him or anybody else. How can I change God's word or why even want to? He is not evil,but is the light of life - giving and sustaining life.
Me, I do not pursue any person about sexual preference, but it seems quite the opposite - that I am targeted, falsely accused, and then required to either change what I believe is truth or be called any even larger number of false titles when I still love and care for people no matter what sins they have as burdens in life. In fact, I have enough sins in my own life to deal with and need no body elses to answer for.
As far as others standing behind God's word goes, I know that some people missrepresent Christ's great love and it makes me sick to see it. God loves the sinner and my sins are as bad as anybody elses - probably worse when one has been given so much as me, but that still does not change the anchor of my faith in God and His word. I believe in God's mercy and extending it to anybody who would want it. God will take care of us all who come to Him for help, and only He can see the burdens of the other person best. My job is to love. It is the debt of all men, but I cannot go against God's Living Word.
 
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As I grew up, I was a very naive kid and people did not have their mouths open about sex all the time. Today, that seems to be all people can think of - like it would be more important.
I had many friends, and I paid no attention to anything said about "queers". I was even accused along with another friend of mine just because we were tenors in the high school choir. No matter that I played football, too, but I know how red-neck some of the things were back then too. Still, I knew who these people were that had more of homosexual tendancies and never shunned them or was prejudiced at all. We were always friends and hung out together until now, but it is not me that has the prejudice. Because I call myself a Christain and say I believe in the Bible, it is I that am seperated and forced to answer questions and be cross- examined for my beliefs. It's funny, I heard and earlier poster say that we persecute them with laws when I see it the opposite - where I am required to defend myself and be shook out for answers. I cared for all these people and was best friends with some back then, but when I could not give them what they wanted from me, I was pushed away and falsely accused. I wonder how many Christians are falsely accused of not caring for or loving the gay people? I admire and love people easily, overlooking their faults, but I still cannot change the truth of God's word about sex. We are called to the eternal things of love, faith, and hope, while sex only lasts for the temporary fleeting moments. We are called to love that carries deep commitment and life - not just something to be used and thrown away like a party favor; yet that seems to be what some people cry for today - more sex, more play, more fun, while the world bleeds and starves to death overnight! They want to be justified before God in what He calls sin and have it not be called sin by Him or anybody else. How can I change God's word or why even want to? He is not evil,but is the light of life - giving and sustaining life.
Me, I do not pursue any person about sexual preference, but it seems quite the opposite - that I am targeted, falsely accused, and then required to either change what I believe is truth or be called any even larger number of false titles when I still love and care for people no matter what sins they have as burdens in life. In fact, I have enough sins in my own life to deal with and need no body elses to answer for.
As far as others standing behind God's word goes, I know that some people missrepresent Christ's great love and it makes me sick to see it. God loves the sinner and my sins are as bad as anybody elses - probably worse when one has been given so much as me, but that still does not change the anchor of my faith in God and His word. I believe in God's mercy and extending it to anybody who would want it. God will take care of us all who come to Him for help, and only He can see the burdens of the other person best. My job is to love. It is the debt of all men, but I cannot go against God's Living Word.
Wonderfully said!!!! God bless!
 
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Well, there are some that do hate . . . maybe out of fear, maybe out of the desire to make themselves feel better (as in "well, at least I'm better than x").
But others simply disagree with the concept that homosexuality is okay, normal or good. These people would be more likely to approach you with concern (even if it comes across badly) than with hate. Although you will always have some of these fear you, as you represent something "wrong" to them and they fear the influence you will have.

Rachel
 
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Sasu--

These christians didn't show the love of Christ toward you. Christians arn't suppose to have "run ins" and go around calling people sinners. This isn't the God of love whom they are trying to serve.

In reality, serving Christ the Son of God is the most unfake thing I have ever done in my life. If one is a true christian, they let Christ's love shine through them by the Holy Spirit.
 
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I really don't see how people can believe in something like a god.
It all seems rather fake to me.


I'm assuming that you're sitting at a computor as you're reading this.

Where did that computor come from?

But... what I was wondering is why so many people have problems with gays. Before I broke up with my girlfriend, I had a couple of run-ins with some fundamentalists and being called a sinner and that I was going to hell. For having somebody I really liked.

I appreciate that a majority of Christians are not like this, but I was wondering why it happens?

Sasu xx


As a fundamentalist, I'm very sorry that you had this experience.

Anyone who is hateful toward anyone, regardless of the reason, isn't representing Christianity or Christian fundamentalism accurately.

"Christians always seem to single out homosexuality among all of the other sins".

That's a fair charge. I suppose it's true that we do talk about that one more than most others.

However, what I think you have to remember is that that's also the one we're confronted with the most.

For example, I don't see that many adulterers holding "Adulterer Pride" parades.

I don't see many gossippers demanding "gossippers' rights now!"

But we do turn on TV and see homosexuality, we do come to message boards and see threads about homosexuality, etc. So I think it's reasonable that we're addressing it a little more than most other sins.

Now, onto the part about why we believe it's a sin.

In the Bible, God uses something called "types" and "shadows" to illustrate a greater spiritual truth.

For example, you may have heard the story about God asking Abraham to kill Isaac.

Abraham takes Issac up into the hills to sacrifice him to God. When they get to the appointed place, Abraham builds an altar, performs the necessary preparation rituals, and begins the sacrifice.

But before he could kill Isaac he looks up and notices that God has caused a ram to become tangled up in the briars.

There are a couple of lessons to draw from this story, but the main "shadow" here is the ram. The ram represents the sacrifice on our behalf that God would provide in the person of Jesus Christ.

You get what I'm saying? Very often, in addition to the main lesson being presented, it's also being used to illustrate a greater point.

In this way, the Bible tells us that God has consecrated marriage for a holy purpose. The purpose of marriage between a man and a woman is to illustrate the relationship between Christ and the church, as well as hierarchy in the Godhead.

Men and women have specific and different roles in the marriage in order to make this illustration work. The wife submits to the husband by obeying him, and the husband submits to the wife by being a servant to her and sacrificing himself for her.

In a relationship between the same sexes, these differences do not exist and so the illustration fails. That is why it is seen as misrepresenting God's purpose and a sin.

Homosexuality is a sin and it's a shame that our human nature makes us want to say, "Hey, I might be a sinner but at least I'm not as bad as that guy over there", but we're blinded by our own sins.

You've sinned in your homosexuality, I've sinned in my gossip. So here we sit, a couple of sinners.

It would be foolish (as well as hypocritical...another sin!) to condemn you for your sins when my own are staring at me in the mirror but there's something very important that we must consider.

God is loving and merciful, but He is also righteous and just. His righteousness demands that He have a strict moral code and His judgement demands that He punish violations of that moral code.

That moral code is what we Christians mean when you hear us talk about "the law". Each of us has broken God's law and that makes us enemies of His and deserving of His wrath.

The good news is that while God is righteous and just, He is also loving and merciful.

Because He is loving and merciful, He has made a way for us not only to be forgiven for our sins, but also to be reconciled to Him and go from being enemies of God, to children of God.

The first thing we have to do is to repent of our sins. To repent doesn't just mean to say you're sorry, it means to look at your sins in light of God's holiness and be horrified by them and forsake them altogether.

Next we must place our faith in Jesus Christ, His death on our behalf, and His resurrection.

That means to believe by faith that a sinless Christ died in the place of sinful man in order to pay the penalty for our sins, and was raised again on the third day.

Sasu, let me ask you this:

If you were to die tonight, do you believe that you'd go to Heaven or to Hell? Why?
 
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I have said nothing about the existence or non- existence of god. What my view is is totally irrelevant to my question. If someone proved that god did not exist then I would be compelled to agree.

My question still stands: can anyone prove that god does not exist?

BTW, I have neither heard of nor seen any invisible pink unicorns. But that does not prove their non-existence.
 
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I really don't see how people can believe in something like a god.
It all seems rather fake to me.

But... what I was wondering is why so many people have problems with gays. Before I broke up with my girlfriend, I had a couple of run-ins with some fundamentalists and being called a sinner and that I was going to hell. For having somebody I really liked.

I appreciate that a majority of Christians are not like this, but I was wondering why it happens?

Sasu xx

Some groups simply label certain sins as 'the big ones' and others as 'everyone does them, not a big deal.' This could be the reason, making homosexuality an extreme sin beyond all others.

Or, it's possible that they are simply raised up to be animated in their intense displeasure with homosexuality, and this 'passion' makes them lose sight of love and compassion.

There may be other reasons. It may be non-believers who have been part of the church community who simply hate homosexuals (these would be non-Christians who have always been raised in the church and continue to go, despite not taking it to heart).


We ultimately don't know why people act the way they do. They can tell us why, and we have to decide if their witness is credible or not, but we cannot make determinations about people's intentions.
 
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I really don't see how people can believe in something like a god.
It all seems rather fake to me.

But... what I was wondering is why so many people have problems with gays. Before I broke up with my girlfriend, I had a couple of run-ins with some fundamentalists and being called a sinner and that I was going to hell. For having somebody I really liked.

I appreciate that a majority of Christians are not like this, but I was wondering why it happens?

Sasu xx

Well I will try to answer this question, in a non-religious manner as possible.

Humans are a herd animal, we gather in numbers and follow a "herd leader", if that herd leader incites the herd to do something, a great many of the herd will just mindlessly follow the leader, very similar to wilder beast stampedes where they will all run off cliffs to their death, simply because that is the way the herd is going.

What happens, now, is that some "herd" leader, gets into their mind that homosexuals are evil (or anything else, Christians are Evil, Etc) and must be destroyed, so, the herd leader incites the herd to stamped, and being mindless followers, the entire herd obeys, right or wrong, the herd will do what the herd leader directs them to do.

I do not think that helped, and I bet a ton of my fellow Christians will now stomp me into the ground, for saying this, but, if you look at history, it's true, humans gather under leaders, and then obey the leaders, onto their own death they obey mindlessly, that is how wars start, that is why the Christians were killed, the Jews were killed, and everyone else.

The Herd will follow the Leader.

Sad, but true.

The ones that do break from the herd, are few and far between.

God Bless

Key
 
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I really don't see how people can believe in something like a god.
It all seems rather fake to me.

But... what I was wondering is why so many people have problems with gays. Before I broke up with my girlfriend, I had a couple of run-ins with some fundamentalists and being called a sinner and that I was going to hell. For having somebody I really liked.

I appreciate that a majority of Christians are not like this, but I was wondering why it happens?

Sasu xx
Yeh they were a bit blunt lol...but they weren't lying ;).
 
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