Why do some Christians vote Democrat?

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I've never voted politically. I don't really understand why people do when things like the electoral college exist. I think that if it didn't exist I'd be more willing to go and vote.

Ok...the Electoral College exists to elect a president and vice-president. However, congressional, state, city and county elections are direct. Now, if you don't vote in those elections...how are you going to make your voice heard?

Here's an explanation of how the Electoral College works http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/
 
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What do Christianity and climate change have to do with each other?

I've always thought that opposition to climate change was financially motivated--people who don't want to make corporations spend more money on the environment--and didn't have anything to do with religion.

Have I been mistaken?

It seems to me that generally those who profess Christianity also love the big business (no I don't understand it). I don't buy climate change as presented but also see no reason to destroy natural resources for a couple of bucks, I think responsible use of the planet is smarter in so many ways than the reckless destruction that many big corporations engage in.
 
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Ok...the Electoral College exists to elect a president and vice-president. However, congressional, state, city and county elections are direct. Now, if you don't vote in those elections...how are you going to make your voice heard?

Here's an explanation of how the Electoral College works http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/

A megaphone would work pretty well....

...but politicians only hear by shoveling money in their pockets. I don't have a lot of that, so my voice is pretty minute. Your link is broken btw.
 
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A megaphone would work pretty well....

...but politicians only hear by shoveling money in their pockets. I don't have a lot of that, so my voice is pretty minute. Your link is broken btw.

Sorry about that...so go to Google and search on Electoral College and find one that isn't broken...and read it!
 
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It seems to me that generally those who profess Christianity also love the big business (no I don't understand it). I don't buy climate change as presented but also see no reason to destroy natural resources for a couple of bucks, I think responsible use of the planet is smarter in so many ways than the reckless destruction that many big corporations engage in.

That isn't the case at all.

For reasons I can't adequately explain, in the US, the certain Christian elements have aligned themselves with the neoconservative right, and vice versa. This is so entrenched now that to some, they are indistinguishable. At this point it has more to do with tribalism than sincere belief, ie "My side believes X, therefore I believe X", but please don't make the mistake of thinking that most Christians are neocons. There are plenty of Christians from all over the political spectrum. Indeed, there are very few intrinsic elements of Christianity that have anything to do with secular politics, and those that are, arguably, are more in line with progressive ideas than conservative ones.
 
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So - let me get this straight.

The Holy Spirit came upon Mary and the power of the most High overshadowed her - and started a process whereby the Word of God would become fully human as well as fully God at about 25 weeks into the pregnancy.

Riiiight!

...you said
Anyone who hasn't figured out when human life starts needs to open a Bible
I was just telling you what the Bible said about when life is considered to start. :wave:
tulc(you're welcome) :)
 
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nope, the only reason i can think of as to why a Christian would vote Democratic would be as a matter of either family loyalty or of loyalty to the unions.
I was surprised to learn in going over family records that my family voted Democratic while i was growing up. my father was a loyal Teamster, so that's why he voted as he did.
Later when Jimmy Hoffa was arrested and convicted for racketeering, he stopped voting.

huh...I don't vote for a Democrat for either of those reasons. :wave:
tulc(has several other reasons actually) :)
 
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I vote democratic because of my favorite scriptures:
Micah 6:8
Matthew 25:31-46.

These scriptures are the essence of Christianity for me. Therefore I will vote MY conscience for the candidates and party whose stated platforms fall more in line with those scriptures.
 
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Very few places in America have subway transport, and a great amount of our country is rural.

There is only one public bus system in at least a 150 mile radius where I live, and it's a 45 minute drive away and only serves one small area of a larger town.

There is one single taxi, appropriately named "Uno", and just the cost of driving from my town to the town next door (about 8 miles) is $60. People are welcome to walk or bike there, but they need to cross one of the tallest bridges in the southern USA to get there (and honestly, it's pretty harrowing just to drive over. I can't imagine walking or biking it, especially with the crazy wind at the top).

There are of course more options in cities, but just packing up and moving there is not really an option for most people. Especially for people who are already struggling financially. You need to have money upfront for a place to live, you need money to get a ride to the city (and move your belongings), you need money to pay for a phone to use for the job hunt, you need money to buy passes for public transport, etc.

If you already don't have cash, moving isn't exactly an option. And our cities aren't always close together, making it more expensive to even drive there. The nearest actual city to me is about 200 miles away. The next nearest is a 6 hour drive.

This seems to be a major cause of a lack of social mobility and economically inefficient. When car culture meets governance in the USA normal rules of reason seem to be suspended. Los Angeles seems to be a perfect example. A city so large and rich should have a proper public transportation system that allows any part of the city to be reachable within a commutable hour. But i understand it can take more than 3 hours tocross the city. This limits the chances of poorer people to find work and richer people will probably restrict their own work choices to the local area. Thus skills which should be available to the whole city are limited to a part of it.
 
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Can anyone list or explain to me Christian reasons to support the Democrat party that outweighs the following list of reasons not to. I appear to be ignorant of the reasons why my Christian brothers and sisters in America often do this.



--- Because republicans love the evil metal?
 
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I vote democratic because of my favorite scriptures:
Micah 6:8
Matthew 25:31-46.

These scriptures are the essence of Christianity for me. Therefore I will vote MY conscience for the candidates and party whose stated platforms fall more in line with those scriptures.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. It's why I am a democrat too. Especially the Chapter in Matthew. We need to take care of those less fortunate than us. As individuals and as a nation.
 
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--- Because republicans love the evil metal?

Is that the issue or who is going to be more effective for the actual condition of poor people in the long run. Social mobility and equality of opportunity have declined under the Democrats. The debt has doubled and health costs are twice those of comparable Western nations. The Democrats do not help poor people in practice.
 
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Is that the issue or who is going to be more effective for the actual condition of poor people in the long run. Social mobility and equality of opportunity have declined under the Democrats. The debt has doubled and health costs are twice those of comparable Western nations. The Democrats do not help poor people in practice.

Let's see...since 1950...we've had 36 years of republican administrations and 28 years of democratic administrations.

Social mobility 1950 to now...http://futureofchildren.org/futureofchildren/publications/docs/16_02_02.pdf

Beller and Hout show that occupational mobility increased during the 1970s, compared with
the 1940s–1960s, but there is some evidence to suggest that by the 1980s and 1990s it had declined
to past levels. Existing data on income mobility show no clear trends over time, but increases
in economic inequality during the 1980s made mobility more consequential by making
economic differences between families persist for a longer time.


Hmm...social mobility decreased by the 1980s...who was in office from 1980 to 1988? Was it a Democrat? I believe the president's name was Reagan and his successor was Bush Sr.

Healthcare costs are "twice" other nations because they have "socialized medicine"...i.e. single payer. By removing financial gain from the equation, the costs can be held down.

Now that I've blown your theory...anything else?
 
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Social mobility and equality of opportunity have declined under the Democrats. The debt has doubled and health costs are twice those of comparable Western nations. The Democrats do not help poor people in practice.

Not because of Democrats. There was a recession that started during the Bush administration, remember? The income gap usually grows under those conditions. As for health cost being so high, that is an argument for a single-payer system like all the comparable Western nations have. Correct, the Dems couldn't get this passed, but it is not like the Republicans wanted to see it happen.
 
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As for health cost being so high, that is an argument for a single-payer system ...
I would call it an argument for competition. After my employer changed my own healthcare coverage to a high-deductible plan I have been closely watching charges and have gotten excessive amounts reversed.

There is no doubt that competition works to both enhance products and reduce costs.
 
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This seems to be a major cause of a lack of social mobility and economically inefficient. When car culture meets governance in the USA normal rules of reason seem to be suspended. Los Angeles seems to be a perfect example. A city so large and rich should have a proper public transportation system that allows any part of the city to be reachable within a commutable hour. But i understand it can take more than 3 hours tocross the city. This limits the chances of poorer people to find work and richer people will probably restrict their own work choices to the local area. Thus skills which should be available to the whole city are limited to a part of it.

Well if you know this then why do you boast, "I used to ride a bike and take a bus, why can't those poor people also ride a bike or take the bus???"

I thought that you are just completely without a clue as to what the USA is like but from the above you are at least remotely aware of the "car culture" we have here. So why do you propose the solution that worked for you in Europe, with your socialized public transportation that is heavily funded and prioritized compared to the USA where it is not prioritized and instead is given over to private companies in many cases? Why do you think that your European, socialist solution is going to work in the USA where we don't have the degree of socialism you enjoy there in Europe?

You again are demonstrating a "do as I say not as I do" attitude in discussing the poor and poverty. You enjoy living in a culture that helps the poor and helped you when you needed it but pontificate to Americans about American problems which you have no experience with.

It's not just Los Angeles. It's virtually anywhere. I live in the NYC metropolitan area, in NJ. For me to get to work I can take a bus but it is expensive because only a private bus company serves my area. I'm only 30 minutes outside the city but I must endure a 90+ minute commute each day by bus. And I'm not poor, yet it's still expensive. I pay over $320 a month for the bus commute and that's because I buy two 20-trip packages per month, at over $160 each. If I were poor, the round-trip per day would be $20, multiplied by 20 days per month it would be $400.

You talk about the bus like it's cheap. HA! give me a break!

As for riding a bike - what would I do with the bike when I get to work? What would I do in inclement weather (e.g. rainstorms, days when there is no room on the road due to 2+ foot snowdrifts, etc.)?? You think it's realistic to ride a bike in a suit and dress shoes to work? Not to mention it would take hours (in good weather).

Then you say one could move to the city or closer to it - but if one does that, the rents go up and offset the commuting costs you face from being farther from the city. And that's if you choose to live in an unsafe area. If you want a safer area or one with decent schools where your kid will be at least safe, it costs more.

The problem you are having, as most conservatives have, is that they are unable to fathom what it's like to be poor in the USA. Or, they are poor and are brainwashed into thinking that somehow social programs hurt them, but they learn quickly when they lose those safety nets and many of them change their tunes.

You're entitled to your opinion and expressing it here, of course. However, it's quickly becoming evident from what you say about American poverty that you're not familiar at all with the issues in the USA. Given that you have lived a life completely apart from American life, I suppose you wouldn't be able to understand, and that's OK, but it really doesn't give you much of a leg to pontificate on.
 
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