Why do some Christian's dismiss Creationism?

[ThaiDuykhang]

Very true. Of course non-literal literature is not analogous to a lie. And this is why YEC is false, God's work of Creation shows it to be so.

Then read the "parable" about "Jesus is an idiot" in the above post

 

[gluadys]

Wrong. Papal infallibility means a pope can't teach wrong. don't you think B16 is still teaching Christmas is Jesus' birthday? you can't find a date in the Bible however it's passed down orally from generation to generation until it's written down --- Dec 25. Because of Papal Infallibility, orthodox Catholics believe it is right.

I don't know that he is teaching that Dec. 25 is Jesus' birth day. I know he will say that Dec. 25 is the day that the Church celebrates Jesus' birth day. I don't know that the latter implies the former. Especially as we have been through a few calendar changes in the last couple of millennia and Dec. 25 today does not fall on the same day of the year as it used to in former calendars.

That is why the Eastern Orthodox celebrate Christmas on a different day than Western Christians. The day we call January 6 is December 25 on their calendar. But obviously Jesus could not have been born on both days.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

I don't know that he is teaching that Dec. 25 is Jesus' birth day. I know he will say that Dec. 25 is the day that the Church celebrates Jesus' birth day. I don't know that the latter implies the former. Especially as we have been through a few calendar changes in the last couple of millennia and Dec. 25 today does not fall on the same day of the year as it used to in former calendars.

That is why the Eastern Orthodox celebrate Christmas on a different day than Western Christians. The day we call January 6 is December 25 on their calendar. But obviously Jesus could not have been born on both days.

Do you celebrity your birthday not on the actual the date you're actually born. you can say "I'll celebrate my birthday a day later for once, because I'm busy on my birthday." but do you say "I'll always celebrate my birthday 3 months later because it's the day I feel lucky"?

Eastern Orthodox celebrate Christmas another day. but they still believe it's the day Jesus actually born.

 

[Dannager]

JK and PM all push for anti-Catholic (and anti-Christian too) agendas? Do I need to explain further?

They push for a constitutional agenda, not a moral one. John Kerry has, in the past, stated that his personal beliefs do not include allowing abortion, but that doesn't mean that he will restrict a constitutionally-established freedom for others just because of his religious convictions. I'm a Christian, and I believe it is a sin for someone to worship a false idol, but that doesn't mean that I would ever consider attempting to restrict people's right to worship whomever they please.

So stop trying to damn people who you obviously know very little about. It's not very becoming.

 

[Dannager]

Do you celebrity your birthday not on the actual the date you're actually born. you can say "I'll celebrate my birthday a day later for once, because I'm busy on my birthday." but do you say "I'll always celebrate my birthday 3 months later because it's the day I feel lucky"?

I celebrate my birthday on the day I was born. Do you have an argument?

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

They push for a constitutional agenda, not a moral one. John Kerry has, in the past, stated that his personal beliefs do not include allowing abortion, but that doesn't mean that he will restrict a constitutionally-established freedom for others just because of his religious convictions. I'm a Christian, and I believe it is a sin for someone to worship a false idol, but that doesn't mean that I would ever consider attempting to restrict people's right to worship whomever they please.

So stop trying to damn people who you obviously know very little about. It's not very becoming.

JK said he oppose abortion and publicly pushes for abortion. what kind of hypocrisy it is? I mean from either side of the abortion issue, who can say JK isn't a hypocrite?

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

I celebrate my birthday on the day I was born. Do you have an argument?

First I assume you have read the discussion about Christmas
OK. then why do you celebrate Jesus' birthday on a day you willing know it's not His birthday?

 

[The Lady Kate]

First I assume you have read the discussion about Christmas
OK. then why do you celebrate Jesus' birthday on a day you willing know it's not His birthday?

Because we don't know when his birthday actually was... it's not like Joseph and Mary had a Calendar hanging in the manger.

 

[The Lady Kate]

JK said he oppose abortion and publicly pushes for abortion. what kind of hypocrisy it is? I mean from either side of the abortion issue, who can say JK isn't a hypocrite?

People on both sides who are smart enough to realize that Kerry doesn't want his personal beliefs made into laws.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

Because we don't know when his birthday actually was... it's not like Joseph and Mary had a Calendar hanging in the manger.

Do Joseph and Mary need a calender in the manger to know date? when you were born, was there a calender in the operation room?

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

People on both sides who are smart enough to realize that Kerry doesn't want his personal beliefs made into laws.

What's his personal belief? I worship God, will I push for a law recognizing wiccan gods as Christian God?
Do you think someone will push for something he believes is wrong?

 

[The Lady Kate]

Do Joseph and Mary need a calender in the manger to know date? when you were born, was there a calender in the operation room?

As a matter of fact, there was... and an accurate clock.

How many people in ancient nomadic societies do you think had an accurate graps of what day of the month it was? Do you think it was all that important?

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

As a matter of fact, there was... and an accurate clock.

How many people in ancient nomadic societies do you think had an accurate graps of what day of the month it was? Do you think it was all that important?

Can a clock or a calender tell you what day it is ? if the clock has a build-in calender, why not directly answer "yes"?
You're accusing Joseph, Mary and wise men there're idiots. Even if their system of keeping time is different, they still have some way to record what day of the year it was, as God has defined what a years is.
You don't think they're stupid enough to mistake March or April for December right? (forget who wrote Jesus' birthday was in March or April)

 

[The Lady Kate]

Can a clock or a calender tell you what day it is ? if the clock has a build-in calender, why not directly answer "yes"?

I did answer "yes." Read it again.

You're accusing Joseph, Mary and wise men there're idiots.

No, I'm saying that their society had more pressing issues than this.

Even if their system of keeping time is different, they still have some way to record what day of the year it was, as God has defined what a years is.

Actually, it's the Earth's revolution around the Sun which defines the year... stop me if I'm getting too technical.

You don't think they're stupid enough to mistake March or April for December right? (forget who wrote Jesus' birthday was in March or April)

You don't think that shepherds take their flocks out at night in the middle of winter, do you?

 

[gluadys]

Do you celebrity your birthday not on the actual the date you're actually born. you can say "I'll celebrate my birthday a day later for once, because I'm busy on my birthday." but do you say "I'll always celebrate my birthday 3 months later because it's the day I feel lucky"?

There are a number of people who celebrate their birthday on a day other than their birth day for various reasons. My daughter used to celebrate her birthday a week ahead of time, before school closed, because if she waited until her birth day, all her friends would be away at camp or the cottage or on vacation and no one could come to her party.

Eastern Orthodox celebrate Christmas another day. but they still believe it's the day Jesus actually born.

I am not questioning what people believe. People believe a lot of things that are not necessarily true. It is a historical fact that the church did not celebrate Christmas at all for a couple of centuries and when the decision was made to celebrate the birth as well as the death and resurrection of Christ, the church decided to do so on December 25. End of story.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

There are a number of people who celebrate their birthday on a day other than their birth day for various reasons. My daughter used to celebrate her birthday a week ahead of time, before school closed, because if she waited until her birth day, all her friends would be away at camp or the cottage or on vacation and no one could come to her party.

Does your daughter tells everyone her birthday is a week ahead the actual date? and you said "used to celebrate" which means it is temporal.

I am not questioning what people believe. People believe a lot of things that are not necessarily true. It is a historical fact that the church did not celebrate Christmas at all for a couple of centuries and when the decision was made to celebrate the birth as well as the death and resurrection of Christ, the church decided to do so on December 25. End of story.

1. People always believe what they believe is true.
2. Are you from an organized Church? Does your church teach Christmas is the birthday of Christ? End of story.

 

[The Lady Kate]

1. People always believe what they believe is true.

What does belief have to do with fact? No matter how many people believe something true, if it's not, it's not. End of story.

2. Are you from an organized Church? Does your church teach Christmas is the birthday of Christ? End of story.

As a matter of fact, it doesn't. Christmas is the day we celebrate the Birth of Christ.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

What does belief have to do with fact? No matter how many people believe something true, if it's not, it's not. End of story.

Catholics accuse Protestants of having theology errors. why do you believe in Protestantism? because you think Protestantism is right. Protestants accuse Catholics of having theology errors. why do I believe in Catholicism? because I think Catholicism is right. If you ask an outsider, for example an atheist, which is right, he will tell you both are wrong.

As a matter of fact, it doesn't. Christmas is the day we celebrate the Birth of Christ.

we celebrate the birthday of Christ.

 

[artybloke]

Catholics accuse Protestants of having theology errors. why do you believe in Protestantism? because you think Protestantism is right.

None of the beliefs of Catholicism or Protestantism are to do with Facts. Facts are things and events that can be observed using scientific observation. Nothing about theology can be observed using scientific observation.

Theology has to do with Truth. Truth is only something that can be discerned by revelation; and you either believe that revelation is possible and that you've recieved it, or you don't. Truth cannot be discerned by scientific observation.

Including the Truth that God exists. Any god you could find by scientific observation would be a part of the creation, not the Creator, hence would be an idol.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

None of the beliefs of Catholicism or Protestantism are to do with Facts. Facts are things and events that can be observed using scientific observation. Nothing about theology can be observed using scientific observation.

Theology has to do with Truth. Truth is only something that can be discerned by revelation; and you either believe that revelation is possible and that you've recieved it, or you don't. Truth cannot be discerned by scientific observation.

Including the Truth that God exists. Any god you could find by scientific observation would be a part of the creation, not the Creator, hence would be an idol.

Truth isn't fact? Fact isn't truth?
So you think evolution is fact, thus it's not truth. hehe