Why do some 'Christians' believe that Hell is not eternal?

[DavidPT]

The lake of fire [LOF] is called “the second death” twice in Rev. vss. 20:14 and 21:8. While this is true, Rev. never says that anyone is thrown into the LOF then they die. The terms the “lake of fire” and “ the second death” are interchangeable, “the lake of fire” is “the second death” and the “second death” is “the lake of fire,” thus we can see that it is not synonymous with death or destruction.

My only concern is what happens to humans cast into the LOF. I couldn't care less what happens to satan when he, too, gets cast into the LOF. My point being, what happens to satan in the LOF, and what happens to humans in the LOF, it is not the same. Obviously satan is not judged at the white throne judgment. He is not also among the humans standing before God, each one being judged according to their works.

So that means there is a judgment that deals with satan's fate, and that there is a judgment that deals with man's fate.

That means Revelation 20:10 is one context, and that Revelation 20:11-15 is another context. Per the former context, point out in that context where it ever calls it the 2nd death. In the latter context, point out in that context where it ever says anyone shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

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[David7818]

The lake of fire passages, in context.

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.​

And 1000 years later, the beast and the false prophet, who is a person, are still in the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and they] shall be tormented [plural verb] day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

The lake of fire [LOF] is called “the second death” twice in Rev. vss. 20:14 and 21:8. While this is true, Rev. never says that anyone is thrown into the LOF then they die. The terms the “lake of fire” and “ the second death” are interchangeable, “the lake of fire” is “the second death” and the “second death” is “the lake of fire,” thus we can see that it is not synonymous with death or destruction.
.....We also see that being thrown into the LOF is not synonymous with death from Rev 19:20, where the beast and the false prophet, who is a person, are thrown into the LOF and 1000 years later in 20:10 the devil, is thrown into the LOF. Three living beings, are thrown into the LOF but they do not die, they are tormented day and night for ever and ever. There is not one verse in Revelation which says anyone or anything is thrown into the LOF then they/it dies.
.....Rev 20:14 says death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. Death is the point in time end of life, it has no physical presence and cannot be literally thrown anywhere. Since neither death nor hell could or have died a first death they can’t die a second death. But there is a scriptural answer which does not involve jumping through hoops mixing literal and figurative in one sentence, there is a death and hell which can be thrown into the LOF.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.​

The angel of death and the demon of hell are thrown into the LOF and their power to kill ended.
More verses which show that the LoF is not synonymous with death or destruction. Rev 21:4 says “there shall be no more death” in vs. 5 Jesus said “Behold I make all things new.” “No more death””all things new” but 3 verses later Rev 21:8 says certain groups “shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” If vs. 4 is correct then those mentioned in vs. 8 do not die.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and
there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which ​

This planet has been cursed from the day sin interred it. when Adam and Eve sinned, the ground was cursed, when Cain killed Abel it was cursed again, then the flood. It no longer yields its strength, it is contaminated with pesticides, even the ocean and the skies are polluted---He will remake everything to perfection again.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

This planet has been cursed from the day sin interred it. when Adam and Eve sinned, the ground was cursed, when Cain killed Abel it was cursed again, then the flood. It no longer yields its strength, it is contaminated with pesticides, even the ocean and the skies are polluted---He will remake everything to perfection again.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

This sounds good. To have fun and live freely. But to kill children is wrong. To Make them burn forever is wrong. To judge people is wrong, you never know, they may be able to be reached, but to burrn people or children forever is wrong, this means that hell could be eternal, and probably should, there's a time to stop killing and genocide and worse acts, too much of anything isn't good. The sda church is horrible for allowing the book of revelations. God iis Good, God is Good, so is the law. Children of Christ and Christ himsef and all their people shouldn't burn in the lake of fire. That's way past wrong, it's eternally bad and can't be revoked. Hell would last forever! Don't do this, it's wrong and selfish.

 

[David7818]

My only concern is what happens to humans cast into the LOF. I couldn't care less what happens to satan when he, too, gets cast into the LOF. My point being, what happens to satan in the LOF, and what happens to humans in the LOF, it is not the same. Obviously satan is not judged at the white throne judgment. He is not also among the humans standing before God, each one being judged according to their works.

So that means there is a judgment that deals with satan's fate, and that there is a judgment that deals with man's fate.

That means Revelation 20:10 is one context, and that Revelation 20:11-15 is another context. Per the former context, point out in that context where it ever calls it the 2nd death. In the latter context, point out in that context where it ever says anyone shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Tormented day and night forever and ever... this shouldn't happen.... This could call forth Hell, which could have the same results... Satan is young and shouldn't do this.... a certain church knows Satan is young and doesn't care if he burns forever, they desire it, along with Christ and his followers and children. This should never happen. It's important to be saved....

 

[David7818]

No wonder why the kjv is blasphemous.... not only this.... it's sucks up Satan and his and other youth only to be dragged into judgement and the lake of fire..... that's the whole scheme! And for any youth aswell? Hm..... a utopia of sorts.

 

[mmksparbud]

This sounds good. To have fun and live freely. But to kill children is wrong. To Make them burn forever is wrong. To judge people is wrong, you never know, they may be able to be reached, but to burrn people or children forever is wrong, this means that hell could be eternal, and probably should, there's a time to stop killing and genocide and worse acts, too much of anything isn't good. The sda church is horrible for allowing the book of revelations. God iis Good, God is Good, so is the law. Children of Christ and Christ himsef and all their people shouldn't burn in the lake of fire. That's way past wrong, it's eternally bad and can't be revoked. Hell would last forever! Don't do this, it's wrong and selfish.

God is pure and holy, and just. He will not destroy that which His Son died for and who have chosen His Son's sacrifice of Himself as their salvation. Children, the mental deficient can not make such a choice. Only those that have the ability to choose. According to Jewish tradition, a Child in not held accountable until after 13 years of age. God knows the heart. He alone can read it. It is not so much that he destroys His created creatures, but more like, sin can not live in the presence of a Holy and pure God. It's like a drop of water can not survive on the surface of the sun. The sun does not hate and seek to destroy that drop of water, it just can not survive in that environment.
I have no idea what you mean by the SDA allowing the book of Revelation---The book is in the bible, written by the disciple John. we didn't come into existence until around 1865. Have you not read the bible??

 

[mmksparbud]

No wonder why the kjv is blasphemous.... not only this.... it's sucks up Satan and his and other youth only to be dragged into judgement and the lake of fire..... that's the whole scheme! And for any youth aswell? Hm..... a utopia of sorts.

You say you are Christian and yet do not seem to know the bible---What faith are you really?

 

[David7818]

God is pure and holy, and just. He will not destroy that which His Son died for and who have chosen His Son's sacrifice of Himself as their salvation. Children, the mental deficient can not make such a choice. Only those that have the ability to choose. According to Jewish tradition, a Child in not held accountable until after 13 years of age. God knows the heart. He alone can read it. It is not so much that he destroys His created creatures, but more like, sin can not live in the presence of a Holy and pure God. It's like a drop of water can not survive on the surface of the sun. The sun does not hate and seek to destroy that drop of water, it just can not survive in that environment.
I have no idea what you mean by the SDA allowing the book of Revelation---The book is in the bible, written by the disciple John. we didn't come into existence until around 1865. Have you not read the bible??

God can live with sin, but there are some things nobody should allow. Children and young adults do have tendencies to like horror, sin, demons, devils, coffee, and the like. So what, they're natural, but the book of rev. is terrible and blasphemous. It's a bad idea. The aforementioned are beautiful, you should respect them, just not do things too bad.

 

[David7818]

God can live with sin, but there are some things nobody should allow. Children and young adults do have tendencies to like horror, sin, demons, devils, coffee, and the like. So what, they're natural, but the book of rev.is blasphemous. It's a bad idea. The aforementioned are beautiful.You have to appreciate the unknown but not do things that are too bad.

 

[David7818]

I think some beliefs behind the sda church are immoral and wrong. They shouldn't be done.

 

[David7818]

God is pure and holy, and just. He will not destroy that which His Son died for and who have chosen His Son's sacrifice of Himself as their salvation. Children, the mental deficient can not make such a choice. Only those that have the ability to choose. According to Jewish tradition, a Child in not held accountable until after 13 years of age. God knows the heart. He alone can read it. It is not so much that he destroys His created creatures, but more like, sin can not live in the presence of a Holy and pure God. It's like a drop of water can not survive on the surface of the sun. The sun does not hate and seek to destroy that drop of water, it just can not survive in that environment.
I have no idea what you mean by the SDA allowing the book of Revelation---The book is in the bible, written by the disciple John. we didn't come into existence until around 1865. Have you not read the bible??

I think you guys came into existence under a bad notion of beings in the light, which most started off as, including the fathers, and youth, which needs time to mature and can do big things. Some things are only natural. I think blasphemy is a bad idea. Look what it leads to, any young person or even any older person burning forever.

 

[1stcenturylady]

One thing is for certain. The weeping and gnashing of teeth will be caused by the knowledge of the separation from God. It is not like nerve endings will be present. The lake of fire will take care of those in an instant.

 

[jovanovic]

One thing is for certain. The weeping and gnashing of teeth will be caused by the knowledge of the separation from God. It is not like nerve endings will be present. The lake of fire will take care of those in an instant.

but that verse says that weeping and gnashing will happen in hell, not before being casted into it.

perhaps physical torture will not happen in hell, but there will be a mental one, to know that there is no escape from hell, to spend an enternity in flames doing nothing.

 

[1stcenturylady]

but that verse says that weeping and gnashing will happen in hell, not before being casted into it.

perhaps physical torture will not happen in hell, but there will be a mental one, to know that there is no escape from hell, to spend an enternity in flames doing nothing.

Yes, mental

 

[David7818]

but that verse says that weeping and gnashing will happen in hell, not before being casted into it.

perhaps physical torture will not happen in hell, but there will be a mental one, to know that there is no escape from hell, to spend an enternity in flames doing nothing.

Scary, real, and good consequences. Some things should never happen.

 

[mmksparbud]

I think you guys came into existence under a bad notion of beings in the light, which most started off as, including the fathers, and youth, which needs time to mature and can do big things.

Excuse me--but you do not seem to comprehend any aspect of Christianity and I must assume that you are not one. This is a Christian website. What faith are you? You do not seem to be acquainted with anything Christian and are attacking the Christian bible and can not be Christian and it is not possible to have this kind of conversation with someone who does not know the very fundamentals of Christianity. I will have to ignore you as you need more help in understanding than I can possibly give you under these circumstances. Maybe someone else can direct you to a sight where you can get some instruction. Or are you trolling, or just pulling our legs here??

 

[David7818]

The lake of fire is for certain something that god should not allow, for extreme pain is considerable for anybody, children included.

 

[Rajni]

But you said it didn't make it true.

I also said that Scripture indicates that the day-night
cycle is, itself, temporary. Any thoughts?

 

[David7818]

I think all atheists would know to burn young people and children in the lake of fire is wrong. That's a good moral argument.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

I also said that Scripture indicates that the day-night
cycle is, itself, temporary. Any thoughts?

Scripture is Always True. That is all. Carry on.