Why do some 'Christians' believe that Hell is not eternal?

[Steve Petersen]

Lake of fire - Wikipedia

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

The lake of fire passages, in context.

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.​

And 1000 years later, the beast and the false prophet, who is a person, are still in the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and they] shall be tormented [plural verb] day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

The lake of fire [LOF] is called “the second death” twice in Rev. vss. 20:14 and 21:8. While this is true, Rev. never says that anyone is thrown into the LOF then they die. The terms the “lake of fire” and “ the second death” are interchangeable, “the lake of fire” is “the second death” and the “second death” is “the lake of fire,” thus we can see that it is not synonymous with death or destruction.
.....We also see that being thrown into the LOF is not synonymous with death from Rev 19:20, where the beast and the false prophet, who is a person, are thrown into the LOF and 1000 years later in 20:10 the devil, is thrown into the LOF. Three living beings, are thrown into the LOF but they do not die, they are tormented day and night for ever and ever. There is not one verse in Revelation which says anyone or anything is thrown into the LOF then they/it dies.
.....Rev 20:14 says death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. Death is the point in time end of life, it has no physical presence and cannot be literally thrown anywhere. Since neither death nor hell could or have died a first death they can’t die a second death. But there is a scriptural answer which does not involve jumping through hoops mixing literal and figurative in one sentence, there is a death and hell which can be thrown into the LOF.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.​

The angel of death and the demon of hell are thrown into the LOF and their power to kill ended.
More verses which show that the LoF is not synonymous with death or destruction. Rev 21:4 says “there shall be no more death” in vs. 5 Jesus said “Behold I make all things new.” “No more death””all things new” but 3 verses later Rev 21:8 says certain groups “shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” If vs. 4 is correct then those mentioned in vs. 8 do not die.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and
there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

From the Frying Pan into The Fire

 

[David7818]

People do believe evil people shouldn't go to hell.. but what about the Gods in question who are attacked? They're going to fight back. Best to have a balance and leave well enough alone. Everyone fights for themselves and not all Gods are the same, but all Gods are living beings, some more foolish than others, kicking Devils out of heven and other Devils into Hell for being different, who they are. Anyway, why did God make heaven or did he even?

 

[mmksparbud]

you change your mind fast, you said not long ago that everyone will get saved now you say hell is enternal death.

I asked for the passage where I stated such a thing. I have never held that position. I have always said, death is death. It means end of life, cessation of thought. The 2nd death is a forever death--eternal death, not eternal dying.
There is no second chance from hell. You go in, pay your price and die. I'm also still waiting for the verse that says death is eternal life. Anything else is

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The original lie--you won't die. You will live forever.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Everlasting life is for the saved, still waiting for the passage that says the lost get eternal life. Jesus died to give us eternal life, you feel He died to give the lost eternal life also? Jesus died for 3 days---He paid the price of sin, death. He lives. If the price of sin was eternal dying in hell, than He did not pay the price of sin for us. He paid the price--death. Not eternal dying or He would still be there forever.

 

[David7818]

The soul can live forever with the right precautions, or be destroyed. Pagans could be right. The soul could very well live on forever, but the serpent isn't lying. Immortality of the soul could be real. Jesus and other people in the Bible seem to think so. God just needed to put more time into his creation.

 

[David7818]

I asked for the passage where I stated such a thing. I have never held that position. I have always said, death is death. It means end of life, cessation of thought. The 2nd death is a forever death--eternal death, not eternal dying.
There is no second chance from hell. You go in, pay your price and die. I'm also still waiting for the verse that says death is eternal life. Anything else is

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The original lie--you won't die. You will live forever.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Everlasting life is for the saved, still waiting for the passage that says the lost get eternal life. Jesus died to give us eternal life, you feel He died to give the lost eternal life also? Jesus died for 3 days---He paid the price of sin, death. He lives. If the price of sin was eternal dying in hell, than He did not pay the price of sin for us. He paid the price--death. Not eternal dying or He would still be there forever.

Why does certain Gods kill sinners if they're happy with their life? There Are Gods out there who don't even bother. And is there anything wrong with earth, or our world? Businesss is fantastic, and perfect. What's wrong with Earth?

 

[David7818]

God won't destroy the planet he made, it's perfect.

 

[David7818]

Other Gods don't even bother. What's the big deal? Bible God and sda members bother, Bible God shouldn't even bother. God doesn't bother. He's respectable.

 

[jovanovic]

I asked for the passage where I stated such a thing. I have never held that position. I have always said, death is death. It means end of life, cessation of thought. The 2nd death is a forever death--eternal death, not eternal dying.
There is no second chance from hell. You go in, pay your price and die. I'm also still waiting for the verse that says death is eternal life. Anything else is

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The original lie--you won't die. You will live forever.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Everlasting life is for the saved, still waiting for the passage that says the lost get eternal life. Jesus died to give us eternal life, you feel He died to give the lost eternal life also? Jesus died for 3 days---He paid the price of sin, death. He lives. If the price of sin was eternal dying in hell, than He did not pay the price of sin for us. He paid the price--death. Not eternal dying or He would still be there forever.

Matthew 13:50
and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

jesus did not die, jesus spirit can not die, jesus is god. god can not die. it was jesus human body which died.

eternal dying in hell? what. eternal torture it is.

tell me, why is it only in this modern age that people like you have this opinion? why do no church father agree with you and no serious bible scholar? people like you also belive gay marriage is okay and female priests, so its hard for me to take you serious.

 

[Der Alte]

Lake of fire - Wikipedia

Yes wiki is a great source for Biblical truth. Every page has [edit] links. Anybody can post add, change or delete anything without review.

 

[Der Alte]

God won't destroy the planet he made, it's perfect.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

[David7818]

What about all the successful stores?

 

[David7818]

What about all the successful stores And the fact of color and light, the sun moon and stars and roads?

 

[mmksparbud]

God won't destroy the planet he made, it's perfect.

Amo_9:13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
Nah_1:5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

 

[David7818]

Amo_9:13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
Nah_1:5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Is this because they kill his people?

 

[David7818]

Why does he do this?

 

[Rajni]

Scripture Is Always True.

Then large font and all-caps won't be necessary.
Again, that same source also indicates that the day-night
cycle is, itself, temporary.

 

[mmksparbud]

Is this because they kill his people?

Why does he do this?

This planet has been cursed from the day sin interred it. when Adam and Eve sinned, the ground was cursed, when Cain killed Abel it was cursed again, then the flood. It no longer yields its strength, it is contaminated with pesticides, even the ocean and the skies are polluted---He will remake everything to perfection again.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Then large font and all-caps won't be necessary.
Again, that same source also indicates that the day-night
cycle is, itself, temporary.

But you said it didn't make it true.

 

[mmksparbud]

But you said it didn't make it true.

Huge letters, esp. when red, is considered shouting in computer etiquette.