Why do some Christians act so hostile toward questions?

[Galatea]

should have not let them eat the knowledge fruit in the first place,...and the penalty for eating that is death apparently,.....if he let them eat from the tree of life that would have solve everything. Sin? He could just forgive, he choose not to, I fail to see any beauty in that


More death to cover the sins which penalty is death,....



No need for any Messiah, he is God, he could forgive. Grace mercy and love? Just forgive them...

They would have been alive in their sinful bodies. Who wants that? This mortal body is full of sin and illness. Our immortal bodies will be perfect.

God is holy, He can not be in the presence of sin. So we need a daysman, as Job says, someone who can go between us and God and make a bridge. God Himself became our sacrifice.

 

[JD16]

He said "The woman YOU gave me" to God- like "if you didn't give me this gorgeous woman I love, who is the very heart of me, I would not have loved her so much and I would not have sinned." Never mind that he was lonely for who knows how long before Eve appeared.

So its bad to eat the fruit, but good in a way because he loves Eve so much, he rather die than to be alone, even noble of him to do that,.... but tries to blame God??? and you say he is not stupid? It just gets weirder and weirder....

 

[JD16]

They would have been alive in their sinful bodies. Who wants that? This mortal body is full of sin and illness. Our immortal bodies will be perfect.

God is holy, He can not be in the presence of sin. So we need a daysman, as Job says, someone who can go between us and God and make a bridge. God Himself became our sacrifice.

He can't be in the presence of sin, so really what is stopping him from forgiving them right there and then? ...Why is there a need for a mediator? And he became the 'bridge', which means that he plays the role of the mediator to go between himself and Adam and Eve, ....you can see why it makes no sense whatsoever....

 

[Ygrene Imref]

I, too, am curious about how this works. I was taught that Adam and Eve didn't actually exist and that the story just communicates theological truths about free will and the nature of humanity. I'm not sure how it all fits together if a person thinks it literally happened that way.

Adam and Eve were gods before they fell. The only humans that were actually called gods were Adam/Eve and Christ. Adam's genealogy directly says he is a son of God.

If they had children as perfect beings, then there would be "original sin" to deal with. Original sin, as it were, is a consequence of being born from a FALLEN creature that is categorically imperfect.

In other words, you can't produce 100% in corruption from a corrupted source - which makes Chris's actions so special.

So, really it is Adam and Eve, not God, who should take blame if there ever was some to give. God specifically told Adam what NOT to do, He told Adam and Eve to procreate in perfection (not from sin) to replenish the earth. ADAM and Eve chose to totally defy God, chose to indulge the serpent avatar, and chose to have children AFTER they fell from perfection.

Our "Parents" were the ones who perpetuated procreation without considering each of those children would be subject to the consequences of carnality.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

He can't be in the presence of sin, so really what is stopping him from forgiving them right there and then? ...Why is there a need for a mediator? And he became the 'bridge', which means that he plays the role of the mediator to go between himself and Adam and Eve, ....you can see why it makes no sense whatsoever....

Because God requires BLOOOOOD.

 

[JD16]

Because God requires BLOOOOOD.

But he is graceful, merciful, loving and good....uh-huh.....we're not even out of genesis yet....

 

[Galatea]

But he is graceful, merciful, loving and good....uh-huh.....we're not even out of genesis yet....

Yes, He is all these things- right from the beginning.

 

[Galatea]

So its bad to eat the fruit, but good in a way because he loves Eve so much, he rather die than to be alone, even noble of him to do that,.... but tries to blame God??? and you say he is not stupid? It just gets weirder and weirder....

He sinned against God. That is wrong, he knew what he was doing. Willful disobedience. The motive for Adam's sin was not the motive for Eve's sin. Eve was lustful, Adam loved Eve more than obeying God. That is what I meant.

 

[JD16]

Yes, He is all these things- right from the beginning.

If that is so, he could just forgive, if we humans can forgive each other without the need for a blood sacrifice, and we are so 'sinful' compared to a perfect God, then I don't see why a good, loving and merciful God can't do so,...

 

[JD16]

He sinned against God. That is wrong, he knew what he was doing. Willful disobedience. The motive for Adam's sin was not the motive for Eve's sin. Eve was lustful, Adam loved Eve more than obeying God. That is what I meant.

How would he know that it's wrong? He needed to eat the fruit first before he could know that....in fact, after Eve ate the fruit, she gain the knowledge of good and evil, and yet she choose to give it to Adam at that point....Adam was innocent at that point, Eve was not, and she knew it....

 

[Galatea]

If that is so, he could just forgive, if we humans can forgive each other without the need for a blood sacrifice, and we are so 'sinful' compared to a perfect God, then I don't see why a good, loving and merciful God can't do so,...

Because He is just and holy. Sin requires someone to pay for it. Justice must be served. We have that in us, that desire to see justice. It comes from God. He is mercy, too. So instead of making us pay for justice ourselves, He became judge, and jury, and defense lawyer, and trial lawyer. In the end, He took our place as the condemned. It's a legal transaction.

We don't always "just forgive". I know that I don't, and have to remember what Christ forgave me in order to be forgiving and merciful myself. Sometimes, I'd rather mete out justice, but I know mercy is better as I have obtained mercy.

This is why the sacrifice of Christ is so elegant. It satisfies all the attributes of God, his holiness, justice, love, mercy, goodness. He is justice and mercy, both. A paradox. Someone had to pay, so He paid. Amazing love, how can it be? That thou, my God, shouldst die for me?

 

[Galatea]

How would he know that it's wrong? He needed to eat the fruit first before he could know that....in fact, after Eve ate the fruit, she gain the knowledge of good and evil, and yet she choose to give it to Adam at that point....Adam was innocent at that point, Eve was not, and she knew it....

God told Adam in the beginning, that he could not eat the fruit. He had his instructions.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Because He is just and holy. Sin requires someone to pay for it. Justice must be served. We have that in us, that desire to see justice. It comes from God. He is mercy, too. So instead of making us pay for justice ourselves, He became judge, and jury, and defense lawyer, and trial lawyer. In the end, He took our place as the condemned. It's a legal transaction.

We don't always "just forgive". I know that I don't, and have to remember what Christ forgave me in order to be forgiving and merciful myself. Sometimes, I'd rather mete out justice, but I know mercy is better as I have obtained mercy.

This is why the sacrifice of Christ is so elegant. It satisfies all the attributes of God, his holiness, justice, love, mercy, goodness. He is justice and mercy, both. A paradox. Someone had to pay, so He paid. Amazing love, how can it be? That thou, my God, shouldst die for me?

Being omniscient, He had foreknowledge of the outcome. He chose to proceed in creation and yet, somehow, we're supposed to believe the lovely Garden of Eden was His intention for us and we messed it up.

God thought to Himself, "if I put the tree here, they will eat from it. And when they do I will be all like

 

[JD16]

Because He is just and holy. Sin requires someone to pay for it. Justice must be served. We have that in us, that desire to see justice. It comes from God. He is mercy, too. So instead of making us pay for justice ourselves, He became judge, and jury, and defense lawyer, and trial lawyer. In the end, He took our place as the condemned. It's a legal transaction.

We don't always "just forgive". I know that I don't, and have to remember what Christ forgave me in order to be forgiving and merciful myself. Sometimes, I'd rather mete out justice, but I know mercy is better as I have obtained mercy.

This is why the sacrifice of Christ is so elegant. It satisfies all the attributes of God, his holiness, justice, love, mercy, goodness. He is justice and mercy, both. A paradox. Someone had to pay, so He paid. Amazing love, how can it be? That thou, my God, shouldst die for me?

Yes, its human nature,...but the bible instructs humans to love and forgive, turn the other cheek even,.....even in prayer...'forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us'....no need to set up a whole judicial system for that,...just forgive,....and supposedly,...man was created in God's image, so it would be only natural for God to forgive...

The sacrifice of Christ would be like,...you helping out a friend in need, and instead of gratitude, your friend betrays you,...and in order to forgive your friend, you must sacrifice your firstborn to set things right....

 

[JD16]

God told Adam in the beginning, that he could not eat the fruit. He had his instructions.

He had instructions, but not the knowledge that it was wrong to disobey those instructions, until after he disobeyed....

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

So, trolling is ok if the troll is a christian?

I don't understand......

 

[JD16]

I don't understand......

I'd ban anyone who wasn't christian that was trolling.

 

[bhsmte]

Amusing thread.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

He can't be in the presence of sin, so really what is stopping him from forgiving them right there and then? ...Why is there a need for a mediator? And he became the 'bridge', which means that he plays the role of the mediator to go between himself and Adam and Eve, ....you can see why it makes no sense whatsoever....

Forgiveness doesn't get your godly, perfected body back. It keeps yu from being condemned.

The fall is an incredibly lacking story in the colloquial social sharing. It wasn't just an "oops" moment. Adam and Eve changed on a fundamental, and spiritual way.

God could, of course, skip the

He had instructions, but not the knowledge that it was wrong to disobey those instructions, until after he disobeyed....

Adam did have the knowledge. He communed with God, and other hosts.

They were not "babes," or "stupid" like the pedestrian Christian narrative suggests (or downright states.)

Why would God put a spiritually or physically inept, and intellectually immature entity in charge of an entire planet, it's life, and the maintenance thereof?

He wouldnt; Adam and Eve knew exactly what they were doing. The apocryphal library, and the canonical text affirm this. Otherwise, Adam wouldn't have tried to shift the blame on his wife - a very CARNAL, HUMAN thing to do - which also requires the intelligence to be conniving.

The "tree of knowledge of good and evil" was not where they got their knowledge. It is where they became dichotomies of creation - subject to binary/duality as opposed to the UNITY they had with God. They were already gods; they allowed their ego (i.e. pride) to corrupt them - the same thing that corrupted the hosts.

And, then after all of that, they decided to have kids in their fallen, dualistic, corrupt image. If you want to ble someone, blame your Matriarch and Patriarch.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

They were not "babes," or "stupid" like the pedestrian Christian narrative suggests (or downright states.)

Why would God put a spiritually or physically inept, and intellectually immature entity in charge of an entire planet, it's life, and the maintenance thereof?

He wouldnt; Adam and Eve knew exactly what they were doing. The apocryphal library, and the canonical text affirm this. Otherwise, Adam wouldn't have tried to shift the blame on his wife - a very CARNAL, HUMAN thing to do - which also requires the intelligence to be conniving.

I dunno. That sounds spiritually inept. But in either case, if ineptitude was not a good reason to put them in charge, are "conniving" or "carnal" attributes something to consider? Maybe God didn't know they were like that?