Why Do So Many People Associate Speaking in Tounges With Demons?

[tturt]

It's pretty common from my experience.

 

[Alithis]

It's pretty common from my experience.

sad really isn't it .

i have heard many try to teach that "its not for today " , but not many out-rightly say "its of the devil"

I find it almost unbelievable, The manner in which people who claim faith in the lord Jesus,who have not yet received the Holy Spirit (baptism),can so quickly give such glory to the adversary of our souls , crediting him with all manner of supernatural power and ability and not stop to reason, that in the same breath they are declaring God unable...

it is a tragic sadness
The lord Jesus promised us that he would send the Holy Spirit in his bodily absence from us ,,

here's a thought ; To not receive "that one " whom he (Jesus)sent and to not listen to "that one " whom he sent ... is ,i think , much like how the religious leaders would not receive Christ whom the father sent ......, frightening thought

 

[stormdancer0]

I was brought up being taught that it was from the devil. Our pastor preached against it most passionately, after a family in our church changed to a pentecostal church.

I contacted him again several years ago, and mentioned that I was becoming ordained. He said congratulations, what denomination? When I told him Pentecostal I expected an explosion, or at least a click of him hanging up.

As it turns out, he's mellowed over the years, and he told me that from where he stood now, if you didn't have some charismatic in you, it was almost impossible to follow Christ these days. I was very pleased that he understood, because I looked up to him for a long time.

 

[tturt]

posted: sad really isn't it .

Agree. Seems just about anything spiritual is labeled Kundalini these days and usually the author means ungodly.

The greater the impact from the Godly, the more opposition imo. Since speaking in tongues is the only spiritual gift that has an entire chapter in The Bible then there's going to be a lot of criticism, etc.

But we know what Scripture says, that Yahweh gives good gifts, and that speaking in tongues has its Godly purposes.

 

[Alithis]

posted: sad really isn't it .

Agree. Seems just about anything spiritual is labeled Kundalini these days and usually the author means ungodly.

The greater the impact from the Godly, the more opposition imo. Since speaking in tongues is the only spiritual gift that has an entire chapter in The Bible then there's going to be a lot of criticism, etc.

But we know what Scripture says, that Yahweh gives good gifts, and that speaking in tongues has its Godly purposes.

re- Kundalini

i know ..i have heard that so often latley , there may be some truth in it .
i really don't know . but it seems in the effort to pull up the tares (against the instructions of the lord Jesus)- they are doing much damage among the ripening wheat to be harvested - there is a reason the lord told us not to try and rip out the tares - at the harvest it will all be made clear

but what i do know .is that after i was filled with the holy Spirit i went through so many things and got so proud and the lord peeled me back to nothing ..(long story -14 year story lol) but here i stand today more sound in my faith in the Lord Jesus then ever , more convinced that he is LORD ..then ever i had been . fruit - does not always come forth quickly

.and folk should not judge a barren tree in the middle of its winter season .

 

[Alithis]

I was brought up being taught that it was from the devil. Our pastor preached against it most passionately, after a family in our church changed to a pentecostal church.

I contacted him again several years ago, and mentioned that I was becoming ordained. He said congratulations, what denomination? When I told him Pentecostal I expected an explosion, or at least a click of him hanging up.

As it turns out, he's mellowed over the years, and he told me that from where he stood now, if you didn't have some charismatic in you, it was almost impossible to follow Christ these days. I was very pleased that he understood, because I looked up to him for a long time.

see now that is evidence of the wonderful work of the Holy Spirit who is tirelessly at work in us to transform us into the image of the Lord Jesus
thanks for sharing that

 

[Jethro99]

The TRUE speaking in tongues is of God, however Yes, Satan has a counterfeit.

Yes - and the counterfeit has been around a long time, and is still around.

Both Plato and Virgil wrote about it happening in ancient Greece in conjunction with worship of some of the greek gods.

Otherwise, it seems to happen (have happened) most often in cultures where a shaman, medicine man or witch doctor makes contact with whatever "spirit" as part their ceremonies. From Eskimos in Alaska to shaman in Tibet the "counterfiet tounges" can (and does) happen in these cases.

Note: I am NOT saying it is the same as speaking in tongues from the Holy Spirit. I am saying I think this is the counterfeit version mentioned. To some people it can look and sound enough like the real thing that they lump both the real and counterfeit together.

 

[tturt]

posted: they lump both the real and counterfeit together.

Agree and that's not new either. Acts 8:9 "But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries."

But we have the testimony of Jude 1: 20 "But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, 21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.”

 

[sdowney717]

Bible teachers who oppose speaking in Tongues like to use the mirror passage in the word.

8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

Claiming the perfect comes means the codified bible.

However, when the perfect comes is not the codified word of the bible put together, it is the time of the Resurrection, the new heavens, the new earth, God's reign on Earth.

34 And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, 35 but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, 36 for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

READ!!, this is part of the message from Paul is NOT fulfilled by the codified printed bible, unless you say I see Him face to face?, And you know fully?
Well then your a liar.

As it says.

I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known

 

[Clay Vessel]

When I read your last post, Saint, I was grieved in my spirit that you had never received the infilling of the Holy Spirit Baptism and that the "tongues" you and your brother spoke were phony and unconnected to an actual spiritual experience. That is so sad! I, too, grew up as a preacher's kid in the A/G. We had a revival among the youth that swept through our entire church. I was only eight years old, but I sought the infilling of the Holy Spirit for three nights of the revival before I received and it was an experience just like the Bible talks about! There was no doubt that I was filled and while it started with stammering lips, the language soon came and it wasn't and isn't fake!

The power of the Holy Spirit was so evident in my dad's meetings that many of the kids who were in his meetings are now pastors and evangelists today. If you had seen that, you would know that it is real, it is all the things that Tee showed in the verses quoted. I feel so very sad that you missed it growing up. God is SO BIG!! So wonderful!! He has so much power and greatness for those who love Him, through His Holy Spirit. Don't miss out!!

 

[FuegoPentecostes]

To bring an interesting little twist to this thread, what is everyone's reaction to when people ask the question, where were tounges the whole time between the Bible and the very new Pentecostal movement? Many people use that as an evidence that something "not of God" is going on in the Pentecostal church, why weren't people speaking in tounges before Pentecostals came about (not counting people in the Bible)?

 

[tturt]

Oh, I agree with Clay Vessel.

Sometimes Pentecostal believers are accused of bragging about speaking in tongues. But usually when people brag about something they want to keep "it" for themselves. I've yet to meet a PH believer who speaks in tongues who doesn't want every other believer to speak in tongues for personal edification.

stormdancer0, I understand. My father-in-law was a minister and preached against tongues for decades. But towards the end of his life, he was praying one day and said Lord, I'm open to anything, use me anyway you desire. The next second he began speaking in tongues and was absolutely shocked. Several weeks later when he was telling me about it, I've never seen him so joyous.

 

[Clay Vessel]

I don't think it is anything to brag about. I think God wants every believer in Jesus Christ to have the Acts 2 experience. And Fuego, the Pentecostal movement isn't all that new. The Charismatic movement is. I have a book from the early 1700's that talks about spiritual warfare, and that is Pentecostal terminology. I think the Catholic church absorbed and dictated spirituality from Roman times until Martin Luther nailed up his 95 Theses and started the Reformation in 1517. His translation of the Bible gave the common man access to the Word of God and they discovered that Pentecost was available to them.

To quote Wikipedia: The Welsh Methodist revival was an evangelical revival that revitalised Christianity in Wales during the 18th century. Methodist preachers such as Griffith Jones, William Williams and Howell Harris were such powerful speakers that they converted thousands of people back to the church. The revival ended in the late 1790s after the deaths of Williams, John Wesley and Daniel Rowland; though its influence on Wales was immense as it led to the establishment of the Calvinistic Methodists and revitalised old dissenting churches.

The revival's immediate beginnings are usually traced back to the religious conversion of Howell Harris at Talgarth church in 1735. While listening to the Rev. Pryce Davies preaching on the necessity of partaking of Holy Communion Harris came to the conviction that he had received mercy through the blood of Christ. He began to tell others about this and to hold meetings at his home at Trefeca for these followers.
Many consider Griffith Jones (1684–1761), the rector of Llanddowror, Carmarthenshire to have been a forerunner of the Methodist movement in Wales. Through his circulating schools he taught thousands in Wales to read the Bible and created a generation of people which would be receptive to Methodist ideas. He himself also preached in the open air as later Methodist leaders would do. In fact, the newly-converted Harris visited him for spiritual guidance and direction, and it was through his preaching that Daniel Rowland was converted and began to preach Methodist ideas.
The other major leader of the early revival was William Williams. He was converted in 1737 as he listened to Harris preaching in Talgarth churchyard.

Following the Llangeitho revival of 1762 members of the revival were often known as Jumpers on account of their habit of jumping for joy. This nickname particularly stuck after William Pantycelyn wrote Llythyr Martha Philopur at y Parchedig Philo Evangelius eu hathro (Martha Philopur's letter to the Reverend Philo Evangelius her teacher) followed by Atteb Philo-Evangelius i Martha Philopur (Philo-Evangelius's reply to Martha Philopur). These texts attempted to teach and defend the practices of the revival including that of jumping. Being nicknamed jumpers juxtaposed them with Quakers (who 'quaked') and Shakers (who 'shook').
Rowland and Harris had been at work for some eighteen months before they met at Defynnog church in 1737. This led to a friendship that lasted, with a ten year break in fellowship, until Harris's death in 1773. This meeting also can be seen as the beginning of a Methodist movement in Wales.

Harris and Williams undertook major preaching journeys, starting in South Wales but later venturing north. As they preached they made converts which they then gathered together into organised groups of fellowships (known as seiadau (societies) in Welsh). As more and more converts were made, more and more evangelists were also created, and by 1750 there were over 400 such fellowship groups in Wales. These groups were closely supervised by the leaders and were built up into a significant and powerful network within the Church of England.
Rowland concentrated his efforts on Llangeitho which became a centre for the movement. On Communion Sundays thousands of the members of the seiadau would travel there to receive the sacrament.

The Welsh Methodist revival differed from the Methodist revival in England in that its theology was Calvinist rather than Arminian. At the beginning the leaders worked with John Wesley, but gradually they parted company from Wesley and became associated with George Whitfield and his patron, Selina, Countess of Huntingdon.

The Methodist revival began within the Church of England in Wales and at the beginning remained as a group within it. But its success meant that Methodists gradually built up their own networks, structures, and even meeting houses (or chapels), which led eventually to the secession of 1811 and the formal establishment of the Calvinistic Methodist Presbyterian Church of Wales in 1823.

The Welsh Methodist revival also had an influence on the older nonconformist churches, or dissenters — the Baptists and the Congregationalists — who in turn also experienced growth and renewal. As a result, by the middle of the nineteenth century, Wales was a predominantly a nonconformist country.

The Azuza Street Revival was the start of the modern Pentecostal movement. Wikipedia says this about it:

The Azusa Street Revival was a historic Pentecostal revival meeting that took place in Los Angeles, California and is the origin of the Pentecostal movement.[1] It was led by William J. Seymour, an African American preacher. It began with a meeting on April 9, 1906, and continued until roughly 1915. The revival was characterized by ecstatic spiritual experiences accompanied by miracles, dramatic worship services, speaking in tongues, and inter-racial mingling. The participants were criticized by the secular media and Christian theologians for behaviors considered to be outrageous and unorthodox, especially at the time. Today, the revival is considered by historians to be the primary catalyst for the spread of Pentecostalism in the 20th century.

Welsh Revival [edit]

In 1904, a second Welsh Revival took place, during which approximately 100,000 people in Wales joined the movement. Internationally, evangelical Christians took this event to be a sign that a fulfillment of the prophecy in the Bible's book of Joel, chapter 2:23–29 was about to take place. Joseph Smale, pastor of the First Baptist Church in Los Angeles, went to Wales personally in order to witness the revival. Upon his return to Los Angeles, he attempted to ignite a similar event in his own congregation. His attempts were short-lived, and he eventually left First Baptist Church to found First New Testament Church, where he continued his efforts.[2] During this time, other small-scale revivals were taking place in Minnesota, North Carolina, and Texas. By 1905, reports of speaking in tongues, supernatural healings, and significant lifestyle changes accompanied these revivals. As this news spread, evangelicals across the United States began to pray for similar revivals in their own congregations.[3]


William J. Seymour, leader of the Azusa Street Revival.


In 1905, William J. Seymour, the one-eyed 34 year old son of former slaves, was a student of well-known Pentecostal preacher Charles Parham and an interim pastor for a small holiness church in Houston, Texas.[4] Neely Terry, an African American woman who attended a small holiness church pastored by Julia Hutchins in Los Angeles, made a trip to visit family in Houston late in 1905.[3] While in Houston, she visited Seymour's church, where he preached the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, and though he had not experienced this personally, Terry was impressed with his character and message. Once home in California, Terry suggested that Seymour be invited to speak at the local church.[5] Seymour received and accepted the invitation in February 1906, and he received financial help and a blessing from Parham for his planned one-month visit.[2][3]
Seymour arrived in Los Angeles on February 22, 1906,[6][7] and within two days was preaching at Julia Hutchins' church at the corner of Ninth Street and Santa Fe Avenue.[5] During his first sermon, he preached that speaking in tongues was the first biblical evidence of the inevitable baptism in the Holy Spirit.[8] On the following Sunday, March 4, he returned to the church and found that Hutchins had padlocked the door.[9] Elders of the church rejected Seymour's teaching, primarily because he had not yet experienced the blessing about which he was preaching.[3] Condemnation of his message also came from the Holiness Church Association of Southern California with which the church had affiliation.[2] However, not all members of Hutchins' church rejected Seymour's preaching. He was invited to stay in the home of congregation member Edward S. Lee, and he began to hold Bible studies and prayer meetings there.

 

[Clay Vessel]

I don't think it is anything to brag about. I think God wants every believer in Jesus Christ to have the Acts 2 experience. And Fuego, the Pentecostal movement isn't all that new. The Charismatic movement is. I have a book from the early 1700's that talks about spiritual warfare, and that is Pentecostal terminology. I think the Catholic church absorbed and dictated spirituality from Roman times until Martin Luther nailed up his 95 Theses and started the Reformation in 1517. His translation of the Bible gave the common man access to the Word of God and they discovered that Pentecost was available to them.

To quote Wikipedia: The Welsh Methodist revival was an evangelical revival that revitalised Christianity in Wales during the 18th century. Methodist preachers such as Griffith Jones, William Williams and Howell Harris were such powerful speakers that they converted thousands of people back to the church. The revival ended in the late 1790s after the deaths of Williams, John Wesley and Daniel Rowland; though its influence on Wales was immense as it led to the establishment of the Calvinistic Methodists and revitalised old dissenting churches.

The revival's immediate beginnings are usually traced back to the religious conversion of Howell Harris at Talgarth church in 1735. While listening to the Rev. Pryce Davies preaching on the necessity of partaking of Holy Communion Harris came to the conviction that he had received mercy through the blood of Christ. He began to tell others about this and to hold meetings at his home at Trefeca for these followers.
Many consider Griffith Jones (1684–1761), the rector of Llanddowror, Carmarthenshire to have been a forerunner of the Methodist movement in Wales. Through his circulating schools he taught thousands in Wales to read the Bible and created a generation of people which would be receptive to Methodist ideas. He himself also preached in the open air as later Methodist leaders would do. In fact, the newly-converted Harris visited him for spiritual guidance and direction, and it was through his preaching that Daniel Rowland was converted and began to preach Methodist ideas.
The other major leader of the early revival was William Williams. He was converted in 1737 as he listened to Harris preaching in Talgarth churchyard.
[edit] Jumpers

Following the Llangeitho revival of 1762 members of the revival were often known as Jumpers on account of their habit of jumping for joy. This nickname particularly stuck after William Pantycelyn wrote Llythyr Martha Philopur at y Parchedig Philo Evangelius eu hathro (Martha Philopur's letter to the Reverend Philo Evangelius her teacher) followed by Atteb Philo-Evangelius i Martha Philopur (Philo-Evangelius's reply to Martha Philopur). These texts attempted to teach and defend the practices of the revival including that of jumping. Being nicknamed jumpers juxtaposed them with Quakers (who 'quaked') and Shakers (who 'shook').
Rowland and Harris had been at work for some eighteen months before they met at Defynnog church in 1737. This led to a friendship that lasted, with a ten year break in fellowship, until Harris's death in 1773. This meeting also can be seen as the beginning of a Methodist movement in Wales. Methodist leaders met regularly to organise their work and to agree on matters of common interest.

Harris and Williams undertook major preaching journeys, starting in South Wales but later venturing north. As they preached they made converts which they then gathered together into organised groups of fellowships (known as seiadau (societies) in Welsh). As more and more converts were made, more and more evangelists were also created, and by 1750 there were over 400 such fellowship groups in Wales. These groups were closely supervised by the leaders and were built up into a significant and powerful network within the Church of England.
Rowland concentrated his efforts on Llangeitho which became a centre for the movement. On Communion Sundays thousands of the members of the seiadau would travel there to receive the sacrament.
[edit] A Calvinist movement

The Welsh Methodist revival differed from the Methodist revival in England in that its theology was Calvinist rather than Arminian. At the beginning the leaders worked with John Wesley, but gradually they parted company from Wesley and became associated with George Whitfield and his patron, Selina, Countess of Huntingdon.
[edit] Welsh Methodists and the Church of England

The Methodist revival began within the Church of England in Wales and at the beginning remained as a group within it. But its success meant that Methodists gradually built up their own networks, structures, and even meeting houses (or chapels), which led eventually to the secession of 1811 and the formal establishment of the Calvinistic Methodist Presbyterian Church of Wales in 1823.
[edit] Welsh Methodists and the dissenters

The Welsh Methodist revival also had an influence on the older nonconformist churches, or dissenters — the Baptists and the Congregationalists — who in turn also experienced growth and renewal. As a result, by the middle of the nineteenth century, Wales was a predominantly a nonconformist country.

The Azuza Street Revival was the start of the modern Pentecostal movement. You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/azuza_street_revival

 

[Clay Vessel]

The Charismatic movement started in about 1960. You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charismatic_moveme

My father, also, was a pastor in a church that didn't believe in Tongues as an evidence of the infilling. Two of the old ladies in my dad's church told him that they had received and that they were praying for him. Finally, he got on his knees and said, "Lord, if there is anything to this 'Tongues business' I'd like to have it." That night, he began to speak in other Tongues as the Holy Spirit prompted him. That infilling was the beginning of a ministry life that was so empowered by the Holy Spirit he had healings in his meetings that were absolute miracles. He prayed for two dead people who came back to life. Cleft lips were closed, skin cancers dropped off of people as he prayed. Amazing healings happened through the power of the Holy Spirit. There is no doubt at all in my mind that this is real and it is of God.

 

[Alithis]

info overload there Clayvessel lol (referring to the wiki info )

i think of all those listings it is the azusa street revival that really "publicized " the penticostal move in the present day era .

the other moves became well known in their own lands and later by those who wrote of them .

 

[Alithis]

To bring an interesting little twist to this thread, what is everyone's reaction to when people ask the question, where were tounges the whole time between the Bible and the very new Pentecostal movement? Many people use that as an evidence that something "not of God" is going on in the Pentecostal church, why weren't people speaking in tounges before Pentecostals came about (not counting people in the Bible)?

if you read the book of acts you see the beginning of something that has never stopped .nor will it cease until the return of the lord Jesus .
as i refer to my last post .. the modern Pentecostalism got publicized in a manner that had never happened in past centuries . but that does not mean it was not going on
always God has had Elijah's 7000 - if you get what i mean .
but it does seem that it came on as a rush in a season when it was needed most .. the day (not 24 hr literally) of Latter rain

we in the west are very limited in our acknowledgement of the move in non English speaking nations .

there are danish revivals ... the Argentinean revival - I wil try to find and link the little booklet about the Argentinean revival where God sent young people walking the street weeping and interceding in the Spirit - it even referenced the well known Evita (dnt cry for me Argentina )as a person who resisted God and the entire revival -and in prophecy God declared Judgment on her - you know the rest of that Story but the world never acknowledged that part on their movies .

 

[sdowney717]

To bring an interesting little twist to this thread, what is everyone's reaction to when people ask the question, where were tounges the whole time between the Bible and the very new Pentecostal movement? Many people use that as an evidence that something "not of God" is going on in the Pentecostal church, why weren't people speaking in tounges before Pentecostals came about (not counting people in the Bible)?

Christianity became ritualized by the catholic church.
People make choices. Due to their evil natures, the choices are frequently bad ones.

Look at how in the old testament people kept moving further from God with succeeding generations. Eventually God would give them prophets and judges to bring them back to Him. The natural man hates the things of God.

Jesus said few there are that find eternal life (the elect of
God do find it) and many walk on the path to destruction. ( everyone else)

 

[sdowney717]

The abuse of the gift of speaking in tongues.
My daughter started going to a 'living large' church where the pastor taught the your experience with God had to greater every day or your sinning against the Holy Spirit due to sins in your life.
He would demand the people scream out in tongues as loud as they can and would personally observe them to see if they lived up to his standards. The guy was a smooth talking devil for sure. Very friendly personable but he really was a cultic false teacher, many false teachers are very popular and seem to have real power over people. My daughter he observed was not PERFORMING properly and began to tell her that he knew she was sinning against the Holy Spirit. In a few months she and some friends managed to escape from that group but still years later is emotionally scarred from this experience.

How she ever got caught up in it? I cant say except that people, if your not circumspect about your walk with God and studying his word a lot, your more likely to let others tell you what to believe and do than hearing it first hand from Him. And if something is not right, then expose it, cause if you don't try, a spiritual principle is being violated.

In the old testament with Ezekiel

33 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, speak to your people and say to them, If I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from among them, and make him their watchman, 3 and if he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows the trumpet and warns the people, 4 then if anyone who hears the sound of the trumpet does not take warning, and the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. 5 He heard the sound of the trumpet and did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But if he had taken warning, he would have saved his life. 6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, so that the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any one of them, that person is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand.

7 “So you, son of man, I have made a watchman for the house of Israel. Whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me. 8 If I say to the wicked, O wicked one, you shall surely die, and you do not speak to warn the wicked to turn from his way, that wicked person shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. 9 But if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, that person shall die in his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul.

and in the new testament,
Jude

Greeting

1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James,
To those who are called, beloved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ:
2 May mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.

Judgment on False Teachers

3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[Alithis]

sure - always the wolves in sheeps clothing walking about .

Dont think we should go making web sites and saying every one who expresses an experience is of some devilish origin.. its just not balanced
wait and see what plays out in each individual life
fruit is not always quickly produced ..and seldom out of season

God is able