Why Do So Many People Associate Speaking in Tounges With Demons?

[acousticsaint]

So the gift of tongues needs to be defined. Interestingly Paul also says that not all will speak in tongues.

 

[amadeus2]

Jesus spoke, in effect, in an unknown tongue when He spoke in parables. For those who were to understand He explained the meaning of the parable serving then as the interpreter, which Paul mentions.

Paul speaks of different kinds of tongues (I Cor 12:10) and there are at least three I have been able to see in scripture. In Acts 2 we see one kind where Peter spoke but many people from many countries heard him as if he were speaking in their own language. This one have never personally witnessed, but I have met people I trust who have.

A second kind of tongue is a message from God, but this one to be meaningful must be accompanied by an interpretation into the language of the people. In my experience one person gives the message received and another interprets it. This one I have not personally experienced but my wife has.

The third type of tongue is one which I personally experience on a daily basis. I pray to God in an unknown tongue.

I received the gift in 1976 and it has never been gone from me.

 

[CaraGrace]

I guess you just have to be careful with what you do and have to be positive it isn't demonic

 

[amadeus2]

I guess you just have to be careful with what you do and have to be positive it isn't demonic

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:27

 

[genetheking]

Even people who are educated in the Bible associate speaking in tounges with something evil . . . I never understood it. I know demons can copy-cat the gift of tounges, but so can they with prophecy and many other gifts. Yet Paul makes it clear in 1 Corinthians he spoke in tounges on a regular basis . . .

Is there a reason behind this?

The TRUE speaking in tongues is of God, however Yes, Satan has a counterfeit.

"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4.

The astonished crowd could not believe their ears "because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed ... saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?" Acts 2:6-8.

Here is a simple description of the true gift of tongues. It is not the uttering of some ecstatic language of heaven. The tongues were real languages that people could understand, and every person of every race was edified and enlightened by hearing the gospel preached in his own mother tongue.

Did this gift of tongues continue to operate in the early church when it was necessary to reach unbelievers? Yes, on certain occasions it was needed in order to overcome the language barrier and also to confirm the Gentile converts into the largely Jewish-oriented church.


Interesting that studies have been done where there has been this contemporary "tongues" and the messages were given to 100 different people who claimed to have the gift of "interpretation of tongues" and 100 different messages were given to explain the "tongue". It is found to be simply syllables from the person's native language - confusion, for sure!!!

 

[acousticsaint]

"A second kind of tongue is a message from God, but this one to be meaningful must be accompanied by an interpretation "
Is this a human language? If not why?

The gifts of the spirit are for the building up of the saints why should tongues be exempt? In Cor it says that it builds up the person praying in this manner but is that a good thing or bad thing? Is "uttering mysteries into the air" a good thing?

Also why does Paul use "tongue" and "tongues" in 1 Cor 14? Is he referring to two different things.

 

[acousticsaint]

Here is a simple description of the true gift of tongues. It is not the uttering of some ecstatic language of heaven. The tongues were real languages that people could understand, and every person of every race was edified and enlightened by hearing the gospel preached in his own mother tongue.

The situation in Acts 2 is in contrast to what Paul says about unbelievers coming into a church where ppl are speaking in tongues and they cannot understand - it is a sign to them, I expect a bad one.

 

[acousticsaint]

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:27

What is the context of Jn 10? What is Christ teaching us there, that we will know what is of God and what isn't??

Or that when he calls his sheep to salvation they respond because they are already his sheep?

 

[tturt]

I Cor 12:27 states there are diversities of tongues. When Paul said not all will speak in tongues, he's explaining one of the diversities because it's listed next to interpretation. "Have allthe gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? (I Cor 12:30). So not all believers are going to have the gift of tongues with interpretation.

All believers can speak in tongues if they desire to. For another diversity of tongues such as to magnifying G_d (Acts 10), Yahweh wouldn't limit. The groups listed in Scripture it states all received: In the Upper Room (Acts 2:4); at Cornelius’ house (Acts 19:44); the Disciples of Ephesus (Acts 19:2). The case where it doesn't state all is on the Day of Pentecost, not in the Upper Room, where there was mocking of tongues; however, some of the 3,000 did (Acts 2:38).

posted: Satan has a counterfeit. True and the adversary only counterfeits things that are of great value to Yahweh's kingdom. We can trust Yahweh to only give good gifts (Matt 7:11).

Tongues are a sign to unbelieversof believers. I Cor 14:22, Mark 16:17. " Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues." (I Cor 14:39).

 

[acousticsaint]

Go back and read the Greek of 1 Cor 12, after each point is listed the answer is given "no" tongues and interpretation are not combined they are treated separately and rightly so as they are different gifts.

 

[Alithis]

am i alone in perceiving, sometimes, what it is i am praying about in tongues ?

 

[tturt]

Not all all. In fact, all tongues can be interpreted because [FONT=&quot]1Co 14:13 [/FONT] “Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.” KJV

Usually tongues with interpretation is for the church's edification (I Cor 12:5; 14:12).There's a distinct difference in church services when the tongues is for interpretation.

Puzzled why a believer wouldn't want to pray with the Spirit (I Cor 14:15)?

Wondering how do you Scripturally define diversities of tongues (I Cor 12:7-11; 28)?

"...and forbid not to speak with tongues." (I Cor 14:39).

 

[amadeus2]

"A second kind of tongue is a message from God, but this one to be meaningful must be accompanied by an interpretation "
Is this a human language? If not why?

The gifts of the spirit are for the building up of the saints why should tongues be exempt? In Cor it says that it builds up the person praying in this manner but is that a good thing or bad thing? Is "uttering mysteries into the air" a good thing?

Also why does Paul use "tongue" and "tongues" in 1 Cor 14? Is he referring to two different things.

Why is it necessary to speak words not understood by everyone... that is a human language? Did you not read the first words of my post which, in effect, answer your question:

Jesus spoke, in effect, in an unknown tongue when He spoke in parables. For those who were to understand He explained the meaning of the parable serving then as the interpreter, which Paul mentions.

"Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear." Matt 13:13-16


Why is it necessary to pray in an unknown tongue? Perhaps it is simply because sometimes we do not know what to pray for and if we did know the "what", we do not understand what is needed.

Sometimes something is needed, which we could not and would not support if we knew what it was because our carnal mind does not understand the things and/or the Way of God. We want to pray for God's will even when given our present knowledge we would disagree with it.

 

[amadeus2]

genetheking: Interesting that studies have been done where there has been this contemporary "tongues" and the messages were given to 100 different people who claimed to have the gift of "interpretation of tongues" and 100 different messages were given to explain the "tongue". It is found to be simply syllables from the person's native language - confusion, for sure!!!

The interpretation is to be given to the person or persons to whom God intends... not to satisfy the interests of man and his studies. Do you doubt God's ability to speak His message to a certain group only while hiding it from others to whom is, in effect, none of their business?

"And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.

And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me." Acts 22:7-9

 

[amadeus2]

am i alone in perceiving, sometimes, what it is i am praying about in tongues ?

Sometimes when I began praying for a person or situation in English my words will be switched to tongues. I know that I am praying for the same person or situation, but the details are hidden from me for God's reasons.

After serving God for many years, I understand that sometimes, it I am simply not able to understand why God does everything the Way that He does it.

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:9

Without a doubt sometimes God will open up to us His meaning in a clearer way, but how far is it that we still remain from God and all of His Way?

 

[Juelrei]

I grew up in a Cessasionist Baptist church, they are till very much so.

I must of too, although I don't remember any teaching against the speaking in tongues, I found out when I received, that my family was against it.

They like order and organization and they view anything that is contrary to that as being evil because it can't be from God.

God likes order and organization too. The apostle Paul taught how to have it in a tongues talking church.

There is also an element of spontaneity and lack of control that comes with speaking in tongues and letting the Spirit control things that sadly even most Pentecostals and Charismatics resist now.

Those times of "spontaneity" are when the Holy Spirit is in control. I don't believe there is a lack of control at all. Except in the minds of those who are control freaks.

Some have turned church into a feel good

I have nothing against that. The word "gospel" interpreted means, "good news". The joy that springs up from hearing that good news should be in evidence in our churches. Genuine, from the heart smiles and not a fake mask smile.

..get'em in here by the droves type organization that is focused on numbers and they view displays of the gifts as a leading cause for people not to come to church as it can get rather chaotic if not controlled by a church elder or Pastor.

What is chaotic? Would it be perhaps like David danced, and Michal said it was wrong, and she was fruitless?
Would it perhaps be like the day of Pentecost? No one said it should be controlled. But Peter said, join in the fun, get in on the blessing, get some real life into your life.

I think the blame goes both ways. Those who do practice the gifts need to understand the whole act like a nut because the Spirit is driving me too bit doesn't work, nor does it make them any more spiritual.

Compared to those who don't, no, it doesn't make them more holy or more special. But yes, it makes them more spiritually active.

Those who are cessasionist need to let the Holy Spirit have control and if He wants someone to speak in tongues then understand that is a beautiful thing and stop judging everyone that is different than themselves.

Yes, not be like Michal.

 

[Alithis]

I must of too, although I don't remember any teaching against the speaking in tongues, I found out when I received, that my family was against it.
God likes order and organization too. The apostle Paul taught how to have it in a tongues talking church.
Those times of "spontaneity" are when the Holy Spirit is in control. I don't believe there is a lack of control at all. Except in the minds of those who are control freaks.
I have nothing against that. The word "gospel" interpreted means, "good news". The joy that springs up from hearing that good news should be in evidence in our churches. Genuine, from the heart smiles and not a fake mask smile.
What is chaotic? Would it be perhaps like David danced, and Michal said it was wrong, and she was fruitless?
Would it perhaps be like the day of Pentecost? No one said it should be controlled. But Peter said, join in the fun, get in on the blessing, get some real life into your life.
Compared to those who don't, no, it doesn't make them more holy or more special. But yes, it makes them more spiritually active.
Yes, not be like Michal.

you know the quote in your signature ?the bottom one . i think it may explain what happened between you and bryanN84- i suspect you may have, perhaps, maybe, could of, misinterpreted him

 

[Alithis]

Not all all. In fact, all tongues can be interpreted because [FONT=&quot]1Co 14:13 [/FONT] “Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.” KJV im adding into your quote for ease of reply . Yes i prayed that i might interpret ...

Usually tongues with interpretation is for the church's edification (I Cor 12:5, 14:12).There's a distinct difference in church services when the tongues is for interpretation. agreed -there is a distinct crying out .almost ..dont take me wrong as i speak in figurative extremes . almost a frustration of the Spirit desiring to break through the tradition and be heard .. maybe ?

Puzzled why a believer wouldn't want to pray with the Spirit (I Cor 14:15)?Beats me ...i cant figure out why people cant see that to walk in the Spirit is to walk i a communicating relationship with the Holy Spirit of the living God and not just intellectually read the bible day in day out -whe the very same bible tells us its all about living in the Spirit and not the flesh ..and to have all the amazing ,countless and endless wonders of the Holy Spirit to fight the good fight of faith spiritually and not carnally

Wondering how do you Scripturally define diversities of tongues (I Cor 12:7-11; 28)?..i'll wait for a reply from other -i have definitions but haven't done a study on them to scriptualize them .
one thing i know .. i have prayed in one tongue , interceded in another and groaned deeply ,..sensed a war going on in another (spiritual warfare) and another like a song that had no word ,no syllable ,no intellectual reason nor sense ,yet i felt i was in the throne room of God ..it is not describable

"...and forbid not to speak with tongues." (I Cor 14:39).

.. Amen

 

[Juelrei]

you know the quote in your signature ?the bottom one . i think it may explain what happened between you and bryanN84- i suspect you may have, perhaps, maybe, could of, misinterpreted him

I think that my bottom quote can be applied to you.

I did mention in my post, that my family was against it. And those who are control freaks.

Then I wrote examples of what I've had to say to such like those who confronted me on it.

I could give you some details of my experiences about church people who've spoken from the pulpit of a visited church that tongues were of the devil. I could tell you of my first time that I spoke in tongues and immediately had the thought that it might be devil talk. And how that kept me from speaking in tongues again for over ten years. Until God restored it to me when I was the prodigal returned to believe.

Would you consider that to be more on target with what Bryan posted? But, you see, I didn't want to write a lengthy post like that because I've come across people who simply won't read anything that long, and they end up posting back to me something that I'd already stated in that post that they didn't read.

 

[Alithis]

I think that my bottom quote can be applied to you.

I did mention in my post, that my family was against it. And those who are control freaks.

Then I wrote examples of what I've had to say to such like those who confronted me on it.

I could give you some details of my experiences about church people who've spoken from the pulpit of a visited church that tongues were of the devil. I could tell you of my first time that I spoke in tongues and immediately had the thought that it might be devil talk. And how that kept me from speaking in tongues again for over ten years. Until God restored it to me when I was the prodigal returned to believe.

Would you consider that to be more on target with what Bryan posted? But, you see, I didn't want to write a lengthy post like that because I've come across people who simply won't read anything that long, and they end up posting back to me something that I'd already stated in that post that they didn't read.

its ok .. we have indeed misunderstood one another .
i was posting in a much more light hearted manner to you .

its sad how sometimes the enemy can waylay us in our walk .. but praise God ..never overcome us .

i have to admit ..the only time i ever (personally ) heard some one speak against tongues ..and say it was devilish .was from the Jehovah witless cult