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BobRyan

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That's conjecture. You have to speculate about this, .

I suggest more attention to the actual Bible details above - would help your argument a lot.

Maybe they assembled to worship on the sabbath (more conjecture),

Or maybe to "play chess"??

How about looking at the actual texts showing what they were doing for "holy convocation" and "Solemn Assembly"??

If there was, you'd actually have an irrefutable slam dunk.

I call it reading the actual post

Today at 2:30 PM #119
 
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Who does?


What is a Sacred Assembly? In the Old Testament, sacred (or solemn) assemblies were occasions for God’s people to repent of personal and corporate sins, to renew their covenant relationship with the Lord, and to return to the Lord in faithful love and obedience.
A Sacred Assembly Preparation Guide.

This is "the easy part" when it comes to knowing what "Sacred Assembly" and "Holy Convocation" is

I highly recommend reading Today at 2:30 PM #119
 
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So Jews should observe the Sacred Assembly thing? But I'm not Jewish; I'm a Christian, and neither of these terms is commonly used to describe worship services. Or was all of it meant for MMXX exclusively?

Plus Christians don't usually worship on the Sabbath anyway.

Apparently, some bell was supposed to ring at the mention of such references, but again, we could stand to have an explanation concerning what that whole line of argument was supposed to mean to us.
 
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So Jews should observe the Sacred Assembly thing? But I'm not Jewish;

In that post above (that you are responding to) -- I end by highly recommending that one reads post 119.

So then if that were done -- we would have this.

1. "Definition" of "Sacred Assembly" - "Holy Convocation" absolutely includes all the assemblies on Sabbath that we see in the NT examples given there
2. Those assemblies included BOTH - Gentiles and Jews.
3. Terms like "God fearers" and "proselytes" refer gentile that worship the one true God as did Timothy - but had not been circumcised - and so were not considered "brethren" -- the same as Jews. So then in Acts 16:1-4 Paul has Timothy circumcised for example who although he used believe in the God of the Bible and worship the God of the Bible - was not a circumcised Jew, rather he was living as an uncircumcised gentile believer in the God of the Bible - since his father was a gentile.

Apparently, some bell was supposed to ring at the mention of such references, but again, we could stand to have an explanation concerning what that whole line of argument was supposed to mean to us.

I was responding to a post where someone suggested that "Solemn assembly" and "Holy Convocation" in the context of a Lev 23:3 Sabbath service could not possibly be the worship services that we see in all those NT examples and that we see in Isaiah 66:23
 
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OK. I guess I let it go at that.
 
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The argument isn't really whether or not people flocked to synagogues on Saturday. The argument lies in whether or not there is a Law, commandment or instruction to do so.

There's no instruction from God that says you're supposed to or you have to attend church on Saturday. Or on Sunday for that matter.
 
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try contemplating on what the word "holy" means and where "holiness" comes from.

So you just ignore the fact that is exactly what the Jews were doing when Christ came and that is what the early christian church did. Poof gone just like that. Well how convenient for you.
 
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Yes God says to keep the sabbath holy. And then over and over again, God stipulates the sabbath is kept holy by resting from labor. Nowhere does God command us to attend church on Saturday.
 
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One thing that exists in Catholicism, that I wish existed in Protestantism, is church services being available multiple times 7 days a week. I find it a bit sad that most Protestant churches only have one service one day a week.
 
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Yes God says to keep the sabbath holy. And then over and over again, God stipulates the sabbath is kept holy by resting from labor. Nowhere does God command us to attend church on Saturday.
here is the problem, it says keep it holy, not make it holy. the only way a think is holy is if God is in the day, because holiness comes from God. So the implication of the day is that an appointment with God is made and God will show up if you don't mess it up. That encounter IS WORSHIP.
 
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That as you say, is an implication. The actual commandment stated over and over again is to rest from labor on the seventh day, because God rested from labor on the seventh day. The word sabbath means rest.
 
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That as you say, is an implication. The actual command stated over and over again is to rest from labor on the seventh day, because God rested from labor on the seventh day. The word sabbath means rest.
ah you are stepping in to the hebrew and showing you limits of your understanding. Hebrew is a verb based language as such it describes things by what they do or how they function. In the case of Sabbath, any time you cease something it is a sabbath. So that proves nothing. I sabbath to get gas at the 7-11. I Sabbath from running. I sabbath from work. It simply is describing the function of the action, not the meaning of the thing, context is very important in determining meaning. so you are really without a leg to stand on. your argument is built on a lack of training in hebrew. so get busy and study the hebrew.
 
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שָׁבַת shabath Definition: to cease, desist, rest.
What the word שָׁבַת doesn't mean in any way is, "this is the day you're supposed to go to church". That appears to be an invention of man, and not a commandment from God.
 
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שָׁבַת shabath Definition: to cease, desist, rest.
What the word שָׁבַת doesn't mean in any way is, "this is the day you're supposed to go to church". That's an invention of man, and not a commandment from God.
so you can post from a hebrew site. good for you. that prove nothing. again you ignore what the Jews and Jesus were doing in the 1st century and what the practice of the church until the late 4th century.
 
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Qdefiling

Do you have something else more substantial than
Omar C. Garcia's blog to go by?
 
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but you have no facts. what you have is interpretation of facts.

The sabbath being a day of rest isn't something that requires interpretation. It's sated quite clearly multiple times. It being something else other than or besides a day of rest is what has to be interpreted.
 
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The sabbath being a day of rest isn't something that requires interpretation. It's sated quite clearly multiple times. It being something else other than or besides a day of rest is what has to be interpreted.
If you do not understand what worship means, I fear for you during the end times when we receive either the mark of the beast because you worship the beast and not even know it, or receive the seal of God because you worship the real God. The mark of the beast is about worship. You can read about it in the book of Revelations, right before Jesus reveals Himself to the world in the second coming.

The 4th commandment has God's seal. A seal contains the Name- God, Title: Creator and Territory- Heavens and Earth. Keeping God's sabbath holy is a sign between God and His people. And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God. Ezekiel 20:20
 
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