Why do SDA preach

[BobRyan]

It reminds me of Muslims appealing to Bible scholar turned atheist Bart Ehrman. Since they claim the New Testament was corrupted, they use things said by Ehrman against the NT to back up that claim. Even though there's no way that Ehrman would lend any scholarly support the Koran and Islam.

Ehrman is in interesting case - surprised you brought him up. But I can see why Muslims would want to get an atheist like Ehrman to discredit the Bible since they commonly claim that the Bible is a corrupted text and the Koran the only trustworthy one. But your argument that atheists like Ehrman don't want to help Muslims attack the Bible is like the dog saying to the crow "when I steal this food off the Kitchen table and eat some of it outside - I hope you don't think I am helping you". Muslims and Atheists often share the same goal when it comes to the Bible.

Though David Wood points out that the Muslims have a lot of problems making that argument.

So this is all the more reason for me to stick with D.L. Moody and the "Baptist Confession of Faith Sectn 19" rather than make my case based on Ehrman and Muslims.

 

[Albion]

That all came centuries later when a group tried to delete one of God’s commandments in lieu of traditions, the very thing Jesus warned us about Matthew 15:3-9

"Traditions" had nothing to do with the Christian church worshipping on Sunday, but I'm curious to know which "group" you think is responsible for that. (?)

 

[tall73]

It’s only a question for those who prefer their will over God’s. It’s really that simple. There is no scriptures stating God said the first day is significant (holy, blessed, hallow, sanctified), but how much more clearer can this be: Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God. Just one scripture out of hundreds on the importance of God’s Sabbath day. How comforting to know if you obey God and hallow His Sabbath day that God makes a sign between us. If we hallow His Sabbath Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it. Isaiah 58:14

God promises if I hallow His Sabbath day there will be a sign between me and my Savior and I will delight myself in the Lord. Who wouldn’t want that?

And why would you not want to rejoice before the Lord each year in booths as an Israelite?

Lev 23:40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
Lev 23:41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
Lev 23:42 Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:

 

[tall73]

Regarding the Sabbath or New Moon?

In any case - - also true of "Do not take God's name in vain" and a great many other things like "Love God with all your heart" and "Love your neighbor as yourself" - not commanded in Eden in an explicit text.

But with the Sabbath we do have Gen 2:1-3 and in Ex 20:11 a direct reference to Gen 2:1-3 as the start point for the Sabbath set aside as a day of worship. A binding obligation for mankind.

Obviously that argument in your post cannot be applied consistently to God's commandments - so it always ends up as a cherry picking exercise - and as I note in my now famous posts - that is not the sort of cherry picking all Christian denominations are willing to do - not even the non-Bible-Sabbath ones.

But as you point out - people are free to ignore those details as they wish and I fully agree with that.

Neither the new moon or Sabbath had commands given in Eden.

But unlike other moral commandments, it is a commemoration. And it is given to Israel as a sign.

And Genesis and Exodus were written by an Israelite, likely quoting God's own words at Sinai.

As to cherry picking, no there were moral principles and sin prior to the covenant given to Israel.

But the Sabbath was a sign given in addition to the commandments by which one live.

We not see any Sabbath commandment until Israel because it is a sign with them, and a commemoration of creation and redemption for them.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

"Traditions" had nothing to do with the Christian church worshipping on Sunday, but I'm curious to know which "group" you think is responsible for that. (?)

If it’s not written in the bible, than it came from man. God’s holy day is the seventh day according to God Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13 not the first day. There is no scripture where God deleted His 4th commandment and said we are to worship Him now on Sunday. The change came after the bible was written like predicted in Daniel.

 

[Albion]

If it’s not written in the bible, than it came from man.

It's written in the Bible.

You don't want to acknowledge that. Bob seems to be hoping to find a way around it. But as I said a few posts ago, the New Testament is God's word (Okay so far?) and it explains the reason Sunday became the primary day of worship.

That's it! Every other approach to the matter is just a distraction.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And why would you not want to rejoice before the Lord each year in booths as an Israelite?

Lev 23:40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
Lev 23:41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
Lev 23:42 Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:

Do you think the feasts day are required now?

 

[tall73]

Do you thin the feasts day are required now?

Isn't the bigger question whether you do since you claim to be an Israelite? It is a forever statute for Israelites.

Lev 23:40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
Lev 23:41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
Lev 23:42 Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:

Why would you not want to rejoice?

 

[JSRG]

It reminds me of Muslims appealing to Bible scholar turned atheist Bart Ehrman. Since they claim the New Testament was corrupted, they use things said by Ehrman against the NT to back up that claim. Even though there's no way that Ehrman would lend any scholarly support the Koran and Islam.

Are you sure Ehrman is an atheist? I remember Ehrman in the past saying he was an agnostic, though I suppose he might have changed and I didn't hear about it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It's written in the Bible.

Than please show us. Show me where God deleted the 4th commandment and now God told us to worship Him on Sunday. Please provide this because you keep saying its there, but have yet to provide it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Isn't the bigger question whether you do since you claim to be an Israelite? It is a forever statute for Israelites.

Why would you not want to rejoice?

Where does it say in the Bible God made a covenant with Gentiles? Who is God’s covenant with?

 

[tall73]

Where does it say in the Bible God made a covenant with Gentiles?

I haven't disputed we are included with the covenant with Israel. I asked as an Israelite why you don't want to do what the everlasting statute for Israelites says and rejoice before the Lord.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I haven't disputed we are included with the covenant with Israel. I asked as an Israelite why you don't want to do what the everlasting statute for Israelites says and rejoice before the Lord.

Because I follow scriptures. Hebrews 10:1-9

 

[Albion]

Than please show us. Show me where God deleted the 4th commandment ...

I just got through mentioning the problem of distractions. No one said that God "deleted" the 4th amendment, yet here for the umpteenth time is the attempt to make this idea that no one has argued for become the strawman you plan to take on instead of the real issue.

 

[tall73]

Because I follow scriptures. Hebrews 10:1-9

No one asked you to offer sacrifices.

But are you saying it is not an everlasting statute?

You treat some elements in Col. 2 differently than others. But the Weekly Sabbath is an appointed time, and was included in Ezekiel 45 which lists the appointed times and sacrifices. And it is in Col. 2 as well as a shadow.

So the same way you approach the feast of booths I approach the Sabbath, because it is a shadow.

The moral laws we agree on.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No one asked you to offer sacrifices.

But are you saying it is not an everlasting statute?

You treat some elements in Col. 2 differently than others. But the Weekly Sabbath is an appointed time, and was included in Ezekiel 45 which lists the appointed times and sacrifices. And it is in Col. 2 as well as a shadow.

So the same way you approach the feast of booths I approach the Sabbath, because it is a shadow.

The moral laws we agree on.

Is the feast days/blood sacrifices in one of God’s Ten Commandment?

We apparently do not agree on God’s moral laws, because it’s a covenant of Ten, not nine.

 

[tall73]

Is the feast days in one of God’s Ten Commandment?

Why would it need to be? It is an everlasting statute for Israel.

Jesus said none of the law passed away.

 

[tall73]

We apparently do not agree on God’s moral laws, because it’s a covenant of Ten, not nine.

The covenant was far more than ten. They said they would do all the Lord commanded.

Jesus quotes from more than the ten in the same discussion when He said He did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Why would it need to be? It is an everlasting statute for Israel.

Jesus said none of the law passed away.

It is and it is fulfilled with Christ as our sacrifice. The weekly Sabbath is not a shadow law and points to creation Genesis 2:1-3 and goes for eternity Isaiah 66:23. It’s also a commandment that God personally wrote and asked us to “remember” not forget which seems like what you are suggesting.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The covenant was far more than ten. They said they would do all the Lord commanded.

Jesus quotes from more than the ten in the same discussion when He said He did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

According to God, it is a covenant of Ten. These are God’s Words:

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.