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The readings from today's mass.

Reading 1 Ez 28:1-10

The word of the LORD came to me: Son of man,
say to the prince of Tyre:
Thus says the Lord GOD:
Because you are haughty of heart,
you say, “A god am I!
I occupy a godly throne
in the heart of the sea!”—
And yet you are a man, and not a god,
however you may think yourself like a god.
Oh yes, you are wiser than Daniel,
there is no secret that is beyond you.
By your wisdom and your intelligence
you have made riches for yourself;
You have put gold and silver
into your treasuries.
By your great wisdom applied to your trading
you have heaped up your riches;
your heart has grown haughty from your riches–
therefore thus says the Lord GOD:
Because you have thought yourself
to have the mind of a god,
Therefore I will bring against you
foreigners, the most barbarous of nations.
They shall draw their swords
against your beauteous wisdom,
they shall run them through your splendid apparel.
They shall thrust you down to the pit, there to die
a bloodied corpse, in the heart of the sea.
Will you then say, “I am a god!”
when you face your murderers?
No, you are man, not a god,
handed over to those who will slay you.
You shall die the death of the uncircumcised
at the hands of foreigners,
for I have spoken, says the Lord GOD.

Deuteronomy 32:26-27ab, 27cd-28, 30, 35cd-36ab

Responsorial Psalm
R. (39c) It is I who deal death and give life.
“I would have said, ‘I will make an end of them
and blot out their name from men’s memories,’
Had I not feared the insolence of their enemies,
feared that these foes would mistakenly boast.”
R. It is I who deal death and give life.
“‘Our own hand won the victory;
the LORD had nothing to do with it.’”
For they are a people devoid of reason,
having no understanding.
R. It is I who deal death and give life.
“How could one man rout a thousand,
or two men put ten thousand to flight,
Unless it was because their Rock sold them
and the LORD delivered them up?”
R. It is I who deal death and give life.
Close at hand is the day of their disaster,
and their doom is rushing upon them!
Surely, the LORD shall do justice for his people;
on his servants he shall have pity.
R. It is I who deal death and give life.

Mt 19:23-30
Gospel
Jesus said to his disciples:
“Amen, I say to you, it will be hard for one who is rich
to enter the Kingdom of heaven.
Again I say to you,
it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle
than for one who is rich to enter the Kingdom of God.”
When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and said,
“Who then can be saved?”
Jesus looked at them and said,
“For men this is impossible,
but for God all things are possible.”
Then Peter said to him in reply,
“We have given up everything and followed you.
What will there be for us?”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, I say to you
that you who have followed me, in the new age,
when the Son of Man is seated on his throne of glory,
will yourselves sit on twelve thrones,
judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters
or father or mother or children or lands
for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times more,
and will inherit eternal life.
But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.”
 
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We do that all the time at my parish.

We do it all the time at the CC.:)
Amen, that's what we're there for !
(Eph 4)

Hi, I went by another tag (or 3 lol) and recently switched it. We've met I think before. I know yer not a 'hater' but some on CF (no names) truely are haters of the RCC or even Catholicism (Old Catholic, Celtic Catholic, Polish National Catholic, etc) in general.
Well I am not sure what your other names were but I like the musically inspired SN)
Yes, lots of haters on both sides of the fence
(Crazy that there's be a fence :( )
But there are also some people who aren't haters but yet
because of their sharing 'truth as they know it" they get
that rap.
For instance, if you, as a Roman Catholic, were to start sharing some of your
denominations 'truths' I might easily become offended and look at YOU as the
enemy! :)blush: Like an idiot i have fallen for that trick of the devil )

So anyhow, have fun, learn, grow and be blessed!

sunlover of the 'catholic' church
;)
 
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Yes, lots of haters on both sides of the fence
(Crazy that there's be a fence :( )
But there are also some people who aren't haters but yet
because of their sharing 'truth as they know it" they get
that rap.

True, true and true.
 
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I can speculate if ya want LLOJ. :)

I would think they didn't "hate" the Church as a whole, and I know some reformers weren't going after starting new "denominations", etc.
What were they going for then?

If not for the Reformers and Great Schism between the EO and RCC, we would all now be under the Roman Pope and Papacy [of which I am not under ehehe]. Thoughts? :wave:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2562238/
Was God behind the Reformation?
 
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Originally Posted by sunlover1 Yes, lots of haters on both sides of the fence
(Crazy that there's be a fence
frown.gif
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But there are also some people who aren't haters but yet
because of their sharing 'truth as they know it" they get
that rap.
True, true and true.
:thumbsup: :amen:

http://www.christianforums.com/t6943218-101/
Why are Protestants so Anti-Catholic?

quote OP:

i'm not saying all is anti-catholic, but all the threads that come in this forum as of late, just seem to be to show how Roman Catholicism is false, anti-Roman Catholicism.

i'm waiting for anti-protestantism threads. to be honest i hope they do come. not in the spirit of revenge, but if people think their views of anti-Roman Catholicismmm is so worth telling and preaching, then lets seek the falsehoods of Protestantism, in all its form and variety.
 
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No it's not and I'm not hindering....you stated flat out your "would rather not talk about Roman Catholicism at all..." yet you start a thread about it.
I'm not going anywhere bud.

I'm not your bud NRB.

The question was asked why they always evangelize their church instead of the Lord.

That is an attempt to change the general malaise of this place from Roman Catholicism to Christ. It would be nice if we had a Christian forum that talked about more often than it did a single denomination.
 
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Why do Roman Catholics...
Talk about their church all the time?

Evangelicals talk about Christ all the time. Quite a difference.
I think that is a bit judgemental.

Online they also talk about Mary a lot and Peter and Saints and abortion.

In real life, most Christians except for perhaps evangelicals do tend to talk about their church or their pastor or the activities at their church rather than about Christ Himself.

Even on this forum, most of the posts are about things other than Christ Himself. They are about Catholics or any of the other Christian groups or denominations or baptism or eucharist or "Saints" or homosexuality or speaking in tongues or hell or biblical diet or the law etc...

That is kind of sad for a Christian forum.
It really should be about Christ.

The central thought of God is that we, as living vessels to contain God, should receive God in Christ as our life and life supply; be transformed into His image; and be built up together as a living Body to express Him - not for a bunch of people who call themselves Christians to argue about all of those other things.
 
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What were they going for then?

If not for the Reformers and Great Schism between the EO and RCC, we would all now be under the Roman Pope and Papacy [of which I am not under ehehe]. Thoughts? :wave:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2562238/
Was God behind the Reformation?


Luther wasn't wanting to break from the Papacy in the beginning at least. It seems he was wanting the Papacy to change it's ways.
He's the only original reformer I have respect for anyway. ;)
 
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Last week, I met a very dear sister in Christ who is from another country. In her country, the natives are very poor and live in very poor conditions. Most of them are Catholic. They drop out of school at young ages and the girls begin having babies at age 15 or so and by the time they are 26 they may have 6 young children living in poverty with them.
She and some other sisters have begun caring for these young mothers.
At first they just brought food.
Other people did that too.
Then they realized these women are also spiritually hungry.
They do not talk to them about being Catholic or the Catholic church at all. They never talk about that at all when they visit them.
They just bring food and bring their Bible and read through the book of Romans with them a little bit each visit.
Many of the natives are illiterate.
By the time they finish reading through the book of Romans with them, they have seen that they are sinners who need God and they confess their sins to God and pray to Him and are born again believers.
All without discussing the RCC or "Saints" or Mary or eucharist or any of that nonsense.
 
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I think that is a bit judgemental.

Online they also talk about Mary a lot and Peter and Saints and abortion.

In real life, most Christians except for perhaps evangelicals do tend to talk about their church or their pastor or the activities at their church rather than about Christ Himself.

Even on this forum, most of the posts are about things other than Christ Himself. They are about Catholics or any of the other Christian groups or denominations or baptism or eucharist or "Saints" or homosexuality or speaking in tongues or hell or biblical diet or the law etc...

That is kind of sad for a Christian forum.
It really should be about Christ.

The central thought of God is that we, as living vessels to contain God, should receive God in Christ as our life and life supply; be transformed into His image; and be built up together as a living Body to express Him - not for a bunch of people who call themselves Christians to argue about all of those other things.

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^_^

Ok. I stand corrected.

Don't forget about the Eucharist ;)

http://www.christianforums.com/f718/
Sacramental/Ordinance Theology

http://www.christianforums.com/f726/
Mariology & Hagiography

http://www.christianforums.com/t7294169/
A board for Peter called Peterology

CMOM made a nice point
You guys are shameless!
:holy:
 
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I'm not your bud NRB.

My mistake.....we have nothing to talk further about then sir. I shall bow out of your threads from here on out. Fact is your threads concerning the Roman Catholic Church reek of misinformation and subjectiveness as it's been said by others here. I say this with humble love whether I'm your friend or not. Cya.

God Bless.
 
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CMOM made a nice point
You guys are shameless!
:holy:
:blush:

NKJV) Revelation 16:15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief.
Blessed [is] he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."

808 aschemosune {as-kay-mos-oo'-nay} from 809;; n f
AV - that which is unseemly 1, shame 1; 2
1) unseemliness, an unseemly deed
 
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You're livin in dream land if you think that alot of people, and I mean alot of people, don't observe this samething about most Catholoics.

What I observe is the prejudices which cause some non-Catholics make purely asinine statements. The truth is that most Catholic, like non-Catholic Christian talk about Jesus far more than they talk about their Church. It is when we get into apologetics and Catholicism is attack that we see Catholics talking about their Church so much. It is then the prejudicial views of the non-Catholic which make them fail to see all of the times we talk about Jesus. Thank goodness that it is a small percentage of non-Catholics which share this view.
I'm an ex-Catholic and this is our main impression. So go ahead and joke about it or make light about it, don't deal with it.
I'm not joking about anything and am quite serious. There are many reasons why an ex-Catholic is ex-Catholic. The Catholic Church is a beautiful Church full of the Spirit of God. What your reason is may be justifiable. But the reason that most Catholics are Catholic is because of Jesus Christ, not the Catholic Church.
 
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CMOM just called the Eucharist, the source and summit of our faith, nonsense.

I missed that post.
(she's still learning, just like the rest of us)


But that last paragraph on the post I quoted her on was COOL!
:thumbsup:


Wonder why she called it that though.
:idea:
*me thinking
 
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Why criticize?
I have that intense personal individualized 'thang' going with God
There's not one thing wrong with that.

Our "beliefs' are only as good as our "actions"
and our "actions" are colored completely by our
"intense personal" knowledge of/relationship with God.

If I don't hang WITH God, I don't look at all LIKE Him.

Jesus often would go off to be alone with the Father.
THAT'S where you get energized..
Then the 'glory' of God reflects OFF of you and when
folks see you.... (they either hate ya or love ya like family lol)

9 But as it is written , Eye hath not seen , nor ear heard , neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received , not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God;that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak , not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth ; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

... 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

:preach:


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Jesus is Truth, so anytime someone raises something up the flag pole and says "this is Jesus', they're going to get the critical eye. Even protestants warn me about listening to 'men'. Problem is, that's a self-disqualifying comment.

Catholicism isn't beyond criticism, so I don't know why any ones personal beliefs should be exempt. Where I run into difficulty, often those personal beliefs are exactly that, personal, so any confronting of their personal beliefs could and would be considered a personal attack. And that's no fun.

I Love the Bible because it's always rel event

I love the bible too and it's relevant to my every day life. I have my own personal wolves, as well as pharisees and scribes. They're pretty easy to recognize.

What's uncanny is how whatever we're talking about in here in a wonderful and sublime way is presented in the mass. I don't know if this is because I'm thinking about a lot of the gospel a lot of the time, or we're hearing a lot of the gospel a lot of the time, or maybe, the liturgy is divine, and that's why it has a way of explaining whatever it is that's going on in my life.
 
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