Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

[stuart lawrence]

Oh my, my, my---you still cant figure out if an unrepentant sinner can get into heaven----how sad. This is Christmas Eve and I have pumpkin pies and rolls and other goodies to make for tomorrow---somehow, your lack of understanding of what the bible days is at the bottom of my list. If you ever decide if unrepentant sinners can get into heaven you let me know. Hint--it is in the bible--take your time, I'm going to be really busy.

Well its nice to see you aren't breaking the letter of the TC now in your above post. You've changed from stating I claimed Paul stated an unrepentant sinner can enter heaven, to your new belief I haven't yet figured this out. What will you come up with next one wonders! Its such a pity you didn't feel able to answer a simple question relating to the subject, I would have liked to continue it.
Still, as we see now you dont know what a person must do to attain heaven I accept you are unlikely to respond to any questions put to you.
Possibly you need to join a different church where you may gain better understanding of the basics of the Christian faith.
Hope your cooking went well and the family enjoy the fruits of your labour

 

[stuart lawrence]

First of all - I appreciate that your posted response to my post on Romans 6 - is a comment that make it appear you did not read the Romans 6 and related Bible details at all. It gives me the encouragement to post those bible texts - outside of the quote -- so we can all see in the post without having to expand it.

Here the part of Romans 6 you apparently missed.

============= So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.

BTW

The bible utterly refutes your belief the christian is under a law of righteousness.
Therefore though you may quote the letter of romans ch6 you dont understand the message of it, for you believe it proves the christian is under a law of righteousness
, I will just give you two verses for now to prove this belief is utterly false:

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, Christ died for nothing
Gal2:21

 

[stuart lawrence]

It's not about the 10 commandments, it's not about The Law. We have been given instructions by Christ himself in many places in the Bible concerning what is expected of us. Grace takes care of everything else. These are the basics, the bottom line. To that you add Sacraments, Catechism, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the naked, visit people who are sick and in prison etc and so on but it starts with your baptism and these verses below here:

Matthew 22:37
Jesus declared, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

Mark 12:30
and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

Mark 12:33
and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Luke 10:27
He answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Deuteronomy 4:29
"But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.

Deuteronomy 10:12
"Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,

The problem is, those who relentlessly stress the letter of the law for obedience have turned away from what matters most.
Their message is:
Thou shalt not
Not what thou shalt do.
Those who most earnestly followed this route in NT times neglected the love of God( luke11:41) it is the same today. Love is the casualty of such an approach

 

[stuart lawrence]

Oh my, my, my---you still cant figure out if an unrepentant sinner can get into heaven----how sad. This is Christmas Eve and I have pumpkin pies and rolls and other goodies to make for tomorrow---somehow, your lack of understanding of what the bible days is at the bottom of my list. If you ever decide if unrepentant sinners can get into heaven you let me know. Hint--it is in the bible--take your time, I'm going to be really busy.

I will post a verse of scripture for you to mull over:

But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself
Heb9:26

Unfortunately I doubt you can appreciate the verse. We need to build up from a sure basic foundational grasp of the faith before we can progress to other things

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Mark 12:30
and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

Be so kind as to provide scripture definition of Love.

Other than GOD is Love.

 

[BobRyan]

First of all - keep these three texts in mind
Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! IN fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

And 1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" even in the NT -- still

In Romans 3:19-20 Paul explains the term "UNDER the LAW" means condemned by the LAW as a sinner and going to hell.

============== now then - Romans 6

So then in Romans 6 the point is made for those who are under the Gospel and no longer going to hell. Does Paul say in Romans 6 that continued rebellion against the LAW of God is going to work for Christians??

So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.

Under the law means under a law of righteousness. You should have learnt that in beginners class at your church. So now you are contradicting an immense amount of scripture

First of all - I appreciate that your posted response to my post on Romans 6 - is a comment that make it appear you did not read the Romans 6 and related Bible details at all. It gives me the encouragement to post those bible texts - outside of the quote -- so we can all see in the post without having to expand it.

Here the part of Romans 6 you apparently missed.

============= So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.

Oh I didn't miss it. But as you dont respond to my bible texts, why would I respond to yours?

Please respond with something other than utter nonsense. for example in this case - YOU are the one bringing up the "not under the Law but under grace" quote of Romans 6:15. NOW you want to whine that having us actually LOOK at Romans 6 - the very chapter YOU bring up in your own post - is "not responding to your bible texts"???? !!! Quite the contrary I am giving you not just your own tiny proof-text-snip from Romans 6 - but in fact the entire chapter to make your case!!

We can ALL see what you are doing when you are confronted with the entire chapter that you bring up and then flee from it claiming this refutes your tiny-snip strategy.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??? Your argument is far more transparently flaws for all to see - each time you do that.

 

[BobRyan]

Be so kind as to provide scripture definition of Love.

Other than GOD is Love.

1 John 5:2-3 gives a great definition so does Christ in John 14:15 -- as I am sure we both agree. Let's see if others will as well.

 

[stuart lawrence]

First of all - I appreciate that your posted response to my post on Romans 6 - is a comment that make it appear you did not read the Romans 6 and related Bible details at all. It gives me the encouragement to post those bible texts - outside of the quote -- so we can all see in the post without having to expand it.

Here the part of Romans 6 you apparently missed.

============= So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.



Please respond with something other than utter nonsense. for example in this case - YOU are the one bringing up the "not under the Law but under grace" quote of Romans 6:15. NOW you want to whine that having us actually LOOK at Romans 6 - the very chapter YOU bring up in your own post - is "not responding to your bible texts"???? !!! Quite the contrary I am giving you not just your own tiny proof-text-snip from Romans 6 - but in fact the entire chapter to make your case!!

We can ALL see what you are doing when you are confronted with the entire chapter that you bring up and then flee from it claiming this refutes your tiny-snip strategy.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??? Your argument is far more transparently flaws for all to see - each time you do that.

There I no flaw in the fact you believe the christian is under a law of righteousness.
So why quote Paul, he is adamant no such law of righteousness exists for the christian.
In fact he believes you must die to a law of righteousness in order for sin not to be your master. See where I am going?
I dont know why you claim the christian religion to be honest, you reject the core of it

 

[stuart lawrence]

Just to repeat.
If you claim the christian us under law, you claim they are under a law of righteousness scripturally speaking.
Two sda members in this thread are adamant the christiaN is under the law.
They all probably believe it, but are more hesitant to state it

 

[BobRyan]

It's not about the 10 commandments, it's not about The Law.

And Paul demands that we admit that the TEN commandments are included in the LAW of God in Eph 6:2 in Romans 13, in Romans 7 as does James demand it in James 2, as does Christ demand it in Matthew 19 -- as we have show a few zillion times on this thread.

Please give us "The Bible" instead, if you looking to present a compelling POV.

We have been given instructions by Christ himself in many places in the Bible concerning what is expected of us.

As we saw in Mark 7:6-13

How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

And in His frequently upholding of Lev 19:18 "Love our neighbor as yourself"
And to "Love God with all your heart " Deut 6:5


These are the basics,

Matthew 22:37
Jesus declared, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

Mark 12:30
and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

Mark 12:33
and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Luke 10:27
He answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Deuteronomy 4:29
"But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.

Deuteronomy 10:12
"Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul

=====

all of those scriptures stated - before the cross. And none of them deleting the TEN commandments

Even your own Pope John Paul II admits that the TEN Commandments are for all mankind - the moral law of God.

so also does your own CCC. This is not the part where you are supposed to differ. (Though we do have many differences with the RCC - the Bible TEN commandments as the moral law of God for all mankind -- is not one of them)... Hence my signature line.

 

[stuart lawrence]

And Paul demands that we admit that the TEN commandments are included in the LAW of God in Eph 6:2 in Romans 13, in Romans 7 as does James demand it in James 2, as does Christ demand it in Matthew 19 -- as we have show a few zillion times on this thread.

Please give us "The Bible" instead, if you looking to present a compelling POV.




As we saw in Mark 7:6-13


And in His frequently upholding of Lev 19:18 "Love our neighbor as yourself"
And to "Love God with all your heart " Deut 6:5


These are the basics,

Matthew 22:37
Jesus declared, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

Mark 12:30
and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

Mark 12:33
and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Luke 10:27
He answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Deuteronomy 4:29
"But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.

Deuteronomy 10:12
"Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul

=====

all of those scriptures stated - before the cross. And none of them deleting the TEN commandments

If only you people would stress Christs teaching as much as you stress the TC, but you dont. For you cant kid yourselves you can obey all those literal commands can you

 

[BobRyan]

Just to repeat.
If you claim the christian us under law, you claim they are under a law of righteousness scripturally speaking.
Two sda members in this thread are adamant the christiaN is under the law.
They all probably believe it, but are more hesitant to state it

Just to repeat - if you are only going to quote yourself and ignore the Bible EVEN the chapters that you bring up in your own posts - you are left with simply stating your preferences. You have free will you can make up whatever you wish once you reject the Bible.

 

[BobRyan]

If only you people would stress Christs teaching

hint:
How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??

Let's look at "Christ's teaching"


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

 

[stuart lawrence]

hint:
How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??

Let's look at "Christ's teaching"


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

Let me again repeat
There is no law of righteousness in the christian faith, so why claim Christianity as your religion?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Just to repeat - if you are only going to quote yourself and ignore the Bible EVEN the chapters that you bring up in your own posts - you are left with simply stating your preferences. You have free will you can make up whatever you wish once you reject the Bible.

Its you who ignore the bible my friend.
Paul relentlessly states the christian is not under a law of righteousness. You firmly reject the core of Paul's gospel message.
So why quote Paul at all. You believe his core gospel message is false

 

[stuart lawrence]

hint:
How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??

Let's look at "Christ's teaching"


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

Glad you quoted James 2:10 again!

For whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

So under your law of righteousness it is sinless perfection or you are condemned to hell

You are proving your own beliefs absurd by your scriptural quotes but are blind to seeing it

 

[stuart lawrence]

Therefore NO ONE will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

 

[stuart lawrence]

Actually no one has ever been TRULY righteous under the law but the blind refuse to see it

Do not bring your servant into judgement, for NO ONE living I righteous before you
Psalms143:2

Ah how people are hoodwinked by their vanity

 

[stuart lawrence]

hint:
How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??

Let's look at "Christ's teaching"


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

And as for downsizing the law my friend. Those who stress the written code most do that.
One of your fellow members broke one of the TC in conversation with me yesterday without a care in the world and offered no apology for doing so.

 

[rturner76]

And Paul demands that we admit that the TEN commandments are included in the LAW of God in Eph 6:2 in Romans 13, in Romans 7 as does James demand it in James 2, as does Christ demand it in Matthew 19 -- as we have show a few zillion times on this thread.

Please give us "The Bible" instead, if you looking to present a compelling POV.




As we saw in Mark 7:6-13

How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

And in His frequently upholding of Lev 19:18 "Love our neighbor as yourself"
And to "Love God with all your heart " Deut 6:5


These are the basics,

Matthew 22:37
Jesus declared, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

Mark 12:30
and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

Mark 12:33
and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Luke 10:27
He answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Deuteronomy 4:29
"But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.

Deuteronomy 10:12
"Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul

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all of those scriptures stated - before the cross. And none of them deleting the TEN commandments

Even your own Pope John Paul II admits that the TEN Commandments are for all mankind - the moral law of God.

so also does your own CCC. This is not the part where you are supposed to differ. (Though we do have many differences with the RCC - the Bible TEN commandments as the moral law of God for all mankind -- is not one of them)... Hence my signature line.

In the first 2 commandments there is the fulfillment of the ten. No need for the 613 Mitzvahs (Commandments) of the Torah. That is really what I am getting at here. Legalism is no longer necessary now that we have Grace.