Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

[stuart lawrence]

The core foundation on which the christian faith stands is as follows:

I will write my laws in their minds and place them on their hearts
Then he adds
THEIR SINS AND LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE( hence no law of righteousness)
Heb10:16&17

Paul confirms:

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

And again

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law rom3:20

And again:

But now a righteousness APART from law has been made known rom3:21

And again:

But we maintain a man is justified/ righteous by faith APART from observing the law rom3:28

And again:

For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace rom6:14

And again:

For through the law I died to the law so I might live for God gal2:19

And again:

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law Christ died for nothing gal2:21

And again:

Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law but that which is through faith in Christ phil3:9

And again:

So my brothers you also died to the law through the body of Christ that you might belong to another to him who was raised from the dead rom7:4

And again:

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit, not the old way of the written code rom7:6

And again:

We who are Jews by birth and not gentile sinners know that a man is NOT justified/ righteous by observing the law but by faith I Jesus Christ. So we too have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified / righteous by faith in Christ and NOT by observing the law. Because by observing the law NO ONE will be justified / righteous
Gal2:15&16

And again:

For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from FIRST TO LAST
Rom1:17

And again:

Clearly NO ONE is justified/ righteous before God by observing the law Gal3:11

And again

What then was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgression UNTIL the seed to whom the promise referred had come( Christ) gal3:19

And again:

Before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified/righteous by faith. Now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law
Gal3:23-25

If you want to reject the core foundation on which the NC stands, and the core message of the person who wrote half the books of the NT, why would you want to claim the Christian faith as your own?

 

[BobRyan]

In the first 2 commandments there is the fulfillment of the ten.

In the first two is the foundation and basis for the rest.

"If you LOVE me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15.

So then we are not to take God's name in vain.

Love for God is expressed in obedience to the "Commandments of God" according to 1 John 5:2-3.

In stead of "no need for the Word of God" -- "no need for scripture" we have a "LOVE of the truth" and a love of the "commandments of God" as John says in 1 John 5:2-3

EVEN in the case of the 1050 commands found in the NT!!

How -- nice.

============= speaking of the 1050 commands in the NT

Let's look at "Christ's teaching"


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

 

[BobRyan]

And as for downsizing the law my friend. Those who stress the written code most do that.

Thanks for making that up and sharing that with us.


Now if you will tolerate this -- Let's look at "Christ's teaching"


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

================

Those bible details do not "vanish" each time someone volunteers to make something up - and I am pretty sure you will agree with me on this basic point.

 

[BobRyan]

If only you people would stress Christs teaching

hint:
How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??

Let's look at "Christ's teaching"


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

Glad you quoted James 2:10 again!

And thank you for being willing to tolerate James 2 - because it is there that James said the key issue is "HE WHO SAID" -- not on "someone who makes up the idea that paying attention to God's Word, God's Commands is just so much written-code that needs to be ignored to show true love for God"

The entire focus of Paul in Eph 6:2 and of James 2:8-12 is all about "what is written" in scripture, the Word of God. Just as it is Christ's focus in Mark 7:6-13.

And this -- just when some would wish to condemn the idea of paying close attention to what is written in scripture, if it is in the form of God commanding us to do something.

I think we can all see at least that much - as even the majority of your own pro-sunday scholars will admit when it comes to the TEN Commandments as being included in the moral law of God.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Thanks for making that up and sharing that with us.


Now if you will tolerate this -- Let's look at "Christ's teaching"


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

================

Those bible details do not "vanish" each time someone volunteers to make something up - and I am pretty sure you will agree with me on this basic point.

I didn't make it up!

And I have previously responded to all of your above scriptures, unlike you who ignore scriptures placed before you and refuse to answer questions asked

 

[BobRyan]

There is such strong opposition to Mark 7, and Eph 6 an James 2.. when it comes to the "actual Bible details' that we find there... that I believe the best solution is to let the Word of God simply speak to us in those chapters instead of condemning those sections of scripture.

 

[BobRyan]

Let me again repeat
There is no law of righteousness in the christian faith, so why claim Christianity as your religion?

That is a violation of TC at CF -- are you aware of that?

I didn't make it up!

And I have previously responded to all of your above scriptures, unlike you who ignore scriptures placed before you and refuse to answer questions asked

Would you mind confining yourself to questions that are not false accusations and violations of TC of CF rules??

Instead of ignoring the James 2, Mark 7, Ephesians 6:2 Bible details - how about discussing how they fit or don't fit your speculations?

 

[stuart lawrence]

hint:
How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??

Let's look at "Christ's teaching"


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10



And thank you for being willing to tolerate James 2 - because it is there that James said the key issue is "HE WHO SAID" -- not on "someone who makes up the idea that paying attention to God's Word, God's Commands is just so much written-code that needs to be ignored to show true love for God"

The entire focus of Paul in Eph 6:2 and of James 2:8-12 is all about "what is written" in scripture, the Word of God. Just as it is Christ's focus in Mark 7:6-13.

And this -- just when some would wish to condemn the idea of paying close attention to what is written in scripture, if it is in the form of God commanding us to do something.

I think we can all see at least that much - as even the majority of your own pro-sunday scholars will admit when it comes to the TEN Commandments as being included in the moral law of God.

Why are you not quoting the beatitudes?
Why not put all three chapters up and say they are part of your law of righteousness!

 

[stuart lawrence]

That is a violation of TC at CF -- are you aware of that?

I have violated cf rules by affirming the christian is not under a law of righteousness?

 

[stuart lawrence]

That is a violation of TC at CF -- are you aware of that?



Would you mind confining yourself to questions that are not false accusations and violations of TC of CF rules??

Instead of ignoring the James 2, Mark 7, Ephesians 6:2 Bible details - how about discussing how they fit or don't fit your speculations?

I've already previously responded to your quotes from mark ch7, james2 and eph6:2.
If you claim I haven't you will be breaking one of the TC

 

[rturner76]

"If you LOVE me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15.

Is that the 2 great commandments, the 10 commandments, or the 613 commandments?

 

[stuart lawrence]

That is a violation of TC at CF -- are you aware of that?



Would you mind confining yourself to questions that are not false accusations and violations of TC of CF rules??

Instead of ignoring the James 2, Mark 7, Ephesians 6:2 Bible details - how about discussing how they fit or don't fit your speculations?

In fact, by claiming I have ignored those verses you break one of the TC

 

[stuart lawrence]

The core foundation on which the christian faith stands is as follows:

I will write my laws in their minds and place them on their hearts
Then he adds
THEIR SINS AND LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE( hence no law of righteousness)
Heb10:16&17

Paul confirms:

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

And again

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law rom3:20

And again:

But now a righteousness APART from law has been made known rom3:21

And again:

But we maintain a man is justified/ righteous by faith APART from observing the law rom3:28

And again:

For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace rom6:14

And again:

For through the law I died to the law so I might live for God gal2:19

And again:

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law Christ died for nothing gal2:21

And again:

Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law but that which is through faith in Christ phil3:9

And again:

So my brothers you also died to the law through the body of Christ that you might belong to another to him who was raised from the dead rom7:4

And again:

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit, not the old way of the written code rom7:6

And again:

We who are Jews by birth and not gentile sinners know that a man is NOT justified/ righteous by observing the law but by faith I Jesus Christ. So we too have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified / righteous by faith in Christ and NOT by observing the law. Because by observing the law NO ONE will be justified / righteous
Gal2:15&16

And again:

For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from FIRST TO LAST
Rom1:17

And again:

Clearly NO ONE is justified/ righteous before God by observing the law Gal3:11

And again

What then was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgression UNTIL the seed to whom the promise referred had come( Christ) gal3:19

And again:

Before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified/righteous by faith. Now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law
Gal3:23-25

If you want to reject the core foundation on which the NC stands, and the core message of the person who wrote half the books of the NT, why would you want to claim the Christian faith as your own?

Anyone who refuses to accept the above scriptures ignores and rejects the word of God

 

[BobRyan]

It's not about the 10 commandments, it's not about The Law.

And Paul demands that we admit that the TEN commandments are included in the LAW of God in Eph 6:2 in Romans 13, in Romans 7 as does James demand it in James 2, as does Christ demand it in Matthew 19 -- as we have show a few zillion times on this thread.

Please give us "The Bible" instead, if you looking to present a compelling POV.

We have been given instructions by Christ himself in many places in the Bible concerning what is expected of us.

As we saw in Mark 7:6-13

How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

And in His frequently upholding of Lev 19:18 "Love our neighbor as yourself"
And to "Love God with all your heart " Deut 6:5


These are the basics,

Matthew 22:37
Jesus declared, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

Mark 12:30
and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

Mark 12:33
and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Luke 10:27
He answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Deuteronomy 4:29
"But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.

Deuteronomy 10:12
"Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul

=====

all of those scriptures stated - before the cross. And none of them deleting the TEN commandments

Even your own Pope John Paul II admits that the TEN Commandments are for all mankind - the moral law of God.

so also does your own CCC. This is not the part where you are supposed to differ. (Though we do have many differences with the RCC - the Bible TEN commandments as the moral law of God for all mankind -- is not one of them)... Hence my signature line.

In the first 2 commandments there is the fulfillment of the ten. No need for the 613 Mitzvahs (Commandments) of the Torah. That is really what I am getting at here. Legalism is no longer necessary now that we have Grace.

Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

And in His frequently upholding of Lev 19:18 "Love our neighbor as yourself"
And to "Love God with all your heart " Deut 6:5


hint: Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5 did not "delete Exodus 20" when they were given in the OT nor when they are quoted in the NT. I think we all can see that.

And even your own Pope John Paul II, and your own CCC admit the TEN Commandments (all ten) remain included in the moral law of God binding on all mankind. I think we both know that.

your denomination and mine - have some points of difference. But this Bible detail that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are still included in the moral law of God and are still binding on all mankind - even binding on the people of God, is not one of those differences.

 

[stuart lawrence]

There is such strong opposition to Mark 7, and Eph 6 an James 2.. when it comes to the "actual Bible details' that we find there... that I believe the best solution is to let the Word of God simply speak to us in those chapters instead of condemning those sections of scripture.

The Pharisees insisted the people fully obey the law, but on the inside were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything unclean.
Anyone who insists others fully obey the written code, and says they condemn scripture, when they themselves claim Paul preached a false message, reflects what is inside of them

 

[BobRyan]

In fact, by claiming I have ignored those verses you break one of the TC

You are free to pay attention to the Bible details in those texts at any time -- and to show how your speculation fits with the actual Bible details we find there.

I look forward to you doing such a thing.

 

[stuart lawrence]

And Paul demands that we admit that the TEN commandments are included in the LAW of God in Eph 6:2 in Romans 13, in Romans 7 as does James demand it in James 2, as does Christ demand it in Matthew 19 -- as we have show a few zillion times on this thread.

Please give us "The Bible" instead, if you looking to present a compelling POV.




As we saw in Mark 7:6-13

How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

And in His frequently upholding of Lev 19:18 "Love our neighbor as yourself"
And to "Love God with all your heart " Deut 6:5


These are the basics,

Matthew 22:37
Jesus declared, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

Mark 12:30
and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

Mark 12:33
and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Luke 10:27
He answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Deuteronomy 4:29
"But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.

Deuteronomy 10:12
"Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul

=====

all of those scriptures stated - before the cross. And none of them deleting the TEN commandments

Even your own Pope John Paul II admits that the TEN Commandments are for all mankind - the moral law of God.

so also does your own CCC. This is not the part where you are supposed to differ. (Though we do have many differences with the RCC - the Bible TEN commandments as the moral law of God for all mankind -- is not one of them)... Hence my signature line.






Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

And in His frequently upholding of Lev 19:18 "Love our neighbor as yourself"
And to "Love God with all your heart " Deut 6:5


hint: Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5 did not "delete Exodus 20" when they were given in the OT nor when they are quoted in the NT. I think we all can see that.

And even your own Pope John Paul II, and your own CCC admit the TEN Commandments (all ten) remain included in the moral law of God binding on all mankind. I think we both know that.

your denomination and mine - have some points of difference. But this Bible detail that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are still included in the moral law of God and are still binding on all mankind - even binding on the people of God, is not one of those differences.

Paul demands the christian is not under a law of righteousness and is released from the law, both of which you believe is false teaching, for you reject it

 

[stuart lawrence]

You are free to pay attention to the Bible details in those texts at any time -- and to show how your speculation fits with the actual Bible details we find there.

I look forward to you doing such a thing.

I have given you sixteen verses of scripture Tha states the christian is not under the law/ of righteousness.
You could not give me one verse of scripture Tha states the christian IS under a law of righteousness could you

 

[BobRyan]

The Pharisees insisted the people fully obey the law, but on the inside were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything unclean.

Instead of that false idea of "Jews insisting that people faithfully and fully obey the Law of God" in Mark 7:6-13 let's look at the "actual Bible details" in Christ's teaching in the verses quoted are on the 5th commandment and the law-breaking efforts of Jewish leaders to promote "traditions of man" above "Moses Said" - and above "The Word of God" and above "The Commandments of God" ... this was making void their worship according to Christ.

Let's quote the actual text and see.

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Yes each one of the details I listed is IN the text being quoted.

In fact Christ focuses on the "WORD" the written WORD , on scripture, the Code of LAW WRITTEN in the Bible... the very thing we have seen some folks condemn in other posts.

 

[stuart lawrence]

You are free to pay attention to the Bible details in those texts at any time -- and to show how your speculation fits with the actual Bible details we find there.

I look forward to you doing such a thing.

And you accuse others of condemnig scripture?
What hypocrisy