Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

[rturner76]

Between the time you transgressed your parents rules and said you were sorry for going so, were you I danger of being evicted from the family home?
This assumes you were raised by loving parents

It would depend on the rule but mostly not if I have loving parents. Unless it's a capital offence like commit an act of vengeful violence or commit arson or something like that. Something like using drugs.....you should get a couple warnings first (maybe that's a bad example)

 

[stuart lawrence]

Paul a false apostle??? Boy, you really do not comprehend. I love Paul.
I can't find where he said that an unrepentant sinner (transgressor of God's law) will still be saved. So unless he said that, you are the one that does not believe him. I do not take issue with what Paul says, just with what you say. Answer the question--Ohm, I forgot, your refusal to refute it is your answer. Unrepentant sinners are saved--you just can't find where that is stated, yet, keep looking.

You believe a christian is under law. I gave you five verses of Paul that state the christian is not under law/ dies to the law. So either you admit you are wrong or you must believe Paul made false statements which would then mean you believe he was a false apostle

 

[mmksparbud]

You believe a christian is under law. I gave you five verses of Paul that state the christian is not under law/ dies to the law. So either you admit you are wrong or you must believe Paul made false statements which would then mean you believe he was a false apostle

Paul made no false statement. Point to where he said an unrepentant sinner (transgressor of God's law) is saved.

 

[stuart lawrence]

It would depend on the rule but mostly not if I have loving parents. Unless it's a capital offence like commit an act of vengeful violence or commit arson or something like that. Something like using drugs.....you should get a couple warnings first (maybe that's a bad example)

When I was a child I was far from perfect!
But I never believed I was in danger of being evicted from the family home

 

[stuart lawrence]

Paul made no false statement. Point to where he said an unrepentant sinner (transgressor of God's law) is saved.

So once again you have to evade the point made. I must say, some of you in this thread fo not reflect well on your denomination

You believe the christian is under law, Paul plainly states they are not
Hmmmm
Best ignore the point, nothing else you can do I there

 

[mmksparbud]

So once again you have to evade the point made. I must say, some of you in this thread fo not reflect well on your denomination

You believe the christian is under law, Paul plainly states they are not
Hmmmm
Best ignore the point, nothing else you can do I there

Nothing I can do with someone who believes you are saved even as an unrepentant sinner and claims Paul says that!! I can't ask if that is what your denomination believes for you don't have the courage to state which one you are---do they all believe the lost are really saved??

 

[stuart lawrence]

Paul made no false statement.

WONDERFUL

So you accept the christian is not under law/ they die to the law, they are released from the law and serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old www ay of the written code.
Could you tell Bob Ryan that. I'm sure I you care about his spiritual well being you will want to

 

[mmksparbud]

WONDERFUL

So you accept the christian is not under law/ they die to the law, they are released from the law and serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old www ay of the written code.
Could you tell Bob Ryan that. I'm sure I you care about his spiritual well being you will want to

We all believe that. Now, where did Paul state that the unrepentant sinner will be saved??

 

[stuart lawrence]

Nothing I can do with someone who believes you are saved even as an unrepentant sinner and claims Paul says that!! I can't ask if that is what your denomination believes for you don't have the courage to state which one you are---do they all believe the lost are really saved??

So once again you have no choice but to prove the hopeless and contradictory position you are in here.

As I have not responded to your question I have not made the claims you say I have made.
So you are bearing false witness, while relentlessly stating the TC must be obeyed.
Oh the hypocrisy

 

[stuart lawrence]

We all believe that. Now, where did Paul state that the unrepentant sinner will be saved??

So you believe the christian is not under law? Bob Ryan doesn't!
So you accept you are released from the law and serve in the new way of the spirit, not the old way of the written code?
But you follow the written code. Oh well

Still bearing false witness I see.
Obviously obeying the TC isn't Tha important to you I it

 

[mmksparbud]

So once again you have no choice but to ppl rove the hopeless and contradictory position you are in here.

As I have not responded to your question I have not made the claims you say I have made.
So you are bearing false witness, while relentlessly stating the TC must be obeyed.
Oh the hypocrisy

I have not made the statements you made so you are bearing false witness--where does it say the unrepentant sinner is saved??

 

[stuart lawrence]

I have not made the statements you made so you are bearing false witness--where does it say the unrepentant sinner is saved??

As you well know I have made no claims concerning your question.
But you carry on bearing false witness. You prove well what i have been saying all along. A good testimony to the accuracy of my beliefs

 

[stuart lawrence]

Nothing I can do with someone who believes you are saved even as an unrepentant sinner and claims Paul says that!! ??

Provide my quote where you state the above. If you cant, you prove you bear false witness

 

[mmksparbud]

As you well know I have made no claims concerning your question.
But you carry on bearing false witness. You prove well what i have been saying all along. A good testimony to the accuracy of my beliefs

Yep, and I have never said we are saved by the law--but you keep saying I have. Where does it say the unrepentant sinner is saved? Or do you agree with God that they are not?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Yep, and I have never said we are saved by the law--but you keep saying I have. Where does it say the unrepentant sinner is saved? Or do you agree with God that they are not?

We can easily clear this up now.
Is a requirement for entering heaven obeying the TC

 

[stuart lawrence]

Yep, and I have never said we are saved by the law--but you keep saying I have. Where does it say the unrepentant sinner is saved? Or do you agree with God that they are not?

Provide my quote where I have stated Paul claims an unrepentant sinner can enter heaven. If you cant, you are bearing false witness, breaking one of the TC and it seems you dont care a less you are doing so

 

[mmksparbud]

Provide my quote where I have stated Paul claims an unrepentant sinner can enter heaven. If you cant, you are bearing false witness, breaking one of the TC and it seems you dont care a less you are doing so

Provide where I have said we are saved by the commandments, if you can not then you are bearing false witness---I have refuted that. we have stated we are saved by grace. You have refused to refute that an unrepentant sinner can be saved.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Provide where I have said we are saved by the commandments, if you can not then you are bearing false witness---I have refuted that. we have stated we are saved by grace. You have refused to refute that an unrepentant sinner can be saved.

I hope you all notice this.
An sda member who relentlessly states:
You must obey the TC couldn't care a less when they break one of them

 

[stuart lawrence]

Provide where I have said we are saved by the commandments, if you can not then you are bearing false witness---I have refuted that. we have stated we are saved by grace. You have refused to refute that an unrepentant sinner can be saved.

I have already stated you believe a person is initially saved by grace. Yet you believe a requirement to enter heaven is obeying the TC.
If you dont believe that, you have the opportunity to plainly say so

 

[stuart lawrence]

Provide where I have said we are saved by the commandments, if you can not then you are bearing false witness---I have refuted that. we have stated we are saved by grace. You have refused to refute that an unrepentant sinner can be saved.

You are just like people I personally knew in the sda church I went to. Relentlessly state:
You must obey the TC while breaking them yourself without caring a less you do so.