Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

[Original Happy Camper]

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, A new moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things to come, the realities are found in Christ
Col2:16&17

Off you go again with your gymnastics of scripture

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

ordinances that was against us, these were the ceremonial laws.

 

[BobRyan]

And part of your responsibility I to state the believer us not lost without the NC?

You do not understand the true Gospel message my friend

Turns out - there is only one Gospel - and the New Covenant is it.

Gal 1:6-9
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

That Gospel was preached to Abraham Gal 3:8

"Abraham saw My day and was glad" John 8:56

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

And part of your responsibility I to state the believer us not lost without the NC?

You do not understand the true Gospel message my friend

The judge gets more boring by the post. A little variety, please!

 

[stuart lawrence]

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

ordinances that was against us, these were the ceremonial laws.

No , your inserting again what is not there in the verse
I simply stated the truth I my previous post, you must either do gymnastics with the scripture or insert what is not their to make your demands

 

[BobRyan]

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

ordinances that was against us, these were the ceremonial laws.

Amen!

Col 2
13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. (NASB)

Christ paid our debt on the cross -- instead of deleting God's Word on the cross

 

[stuart lawrence]

Turns out - there is only one Gospel - and the New Covenant is it.

Gal 1:6-9
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

That Gospel was preached to Abraham Gal 3:8

"Abraham saw My day and was glad" John 8:56

Do you believe the christian is not lost without the NC?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

And part of your responsibility I to state the believer us not lost without the NC?

You do not understand the true Gospel message my friend

Ok explain the Gospel to me so I might understand.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Turns out - there is only one Gospel - and the New Covenant is it.

Gal 1:6-9
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

That Gospel was preached to Abraham Gal 3:8

"Abraham saw My day and was glad" John 8:56

And what was the letter to the Galatians all about?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Ok explain the Gospel to me so I might understand.

Jesus died for our sins

 

[BobRyan]

It doesn't state what I asked you for. Twice in the NT Paul affirms the believer does not have to observe a set Saturday Sabbath.

Until you read the actual Bible where in Rev 14:12 we are told that the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND the faith of Jesus"

In Mark 2:27 "the SABBATH is MADE for mankind" -- even NT mankind.

In Isaiah 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" -- for all eternity AFTER the cross - in the NEW Heavens and New Earth of Rev 21:1-3

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

Which means that even in the NT - it is a sin to "take God's name in vain" Exodus 20:7 as we surely must all agree.

for "Sin IS - transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

 

[Original Happy Camper]

wrong post

 

[stuart lawrence]

Ok explain the Gospel to me so I might understand.

Here is the foundation on which the NC stands:

I will write my laws in their minds and place them on their hearts
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

my friend

<<My friend>> se voet. Honesty the bitter spice for true friendship!

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Jesus died for our sins

And you think I do not understand that. I am thankful that my Judge is Jesus and not you.

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus died for our sins

Indeed - He paid our "Certificate of debt" the debt of sin that we owe - the 2nd death debt. -- yet it is "still" wrong to take God's name in vain - as we all know.

 

[stuart lawrence]

And you think I do not understand that. I am thankful that my Judge is Jesus and not you.

Therefore no one will be declared righteous/ justified in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

Sin is the transgression( or failure to observe) the law 1 john3:4

What do you understand from the above two scriptures?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Here is the foundation on which the NC stands:

I will write my laws in their minds and place them on their hearts
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

Well we have come full circle now back to the question of which laws that you never did define. You stated that you know whick laws but you failed to define them.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I said the ordinances against use were the ceremonial laws.

What happened to <<the ordinances against us>>?

 

[BobRyan]

Did you not read what I posted I did not say it deleted God's Word. I said the ordinances against use were the ceremonial laws. Jesus is the lamb of God that was slain no need for the sacrificial system any more.

Try reading the King James instead of new translations base on the works of Hort and Wescott to known followers of Darwin.

I was not accusing you of claiming that it deleted God's Word. Others do that when they claim it deletes one of the Ten Commandments. Rather in Col 2 Christ "pays our certificate of debt" the debt of sin that we owe. That is the whole point of the Gospel.

In Hebrews 10 we are told regarding "Sacrifices and offerings" -- "He takes away the first to establish the second" - where the "once for all" sacrifice of Christ replaces animal sacrifices.

Paul is not trying to correct "animal sacrifices" on Col 2 - Paul is addressing the issue of "making stuff up to judge others" in Col 2.

And this is proven in the case of Paul in Acts 21:17-21 where he himself engages in the "sacrifice and offerings" as a Jew. His point in Col 2 is not to condemn what he did in Acts 21.

It was not a sin for Christians to celebrate the shadow Sabbaths - the annual Sabbaths of Leviticus 23. But they were no longer needed as we see in Hebrews 10.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

What happened to <<the ordinances against us>>?

Fulfilled by Christ at the Cross