Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

[Original Happy Camper]

Good night All and Hae a Happy Sabbath and a Merry Christmas

Love you all, yes Lawence that includes you

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I have given you the plain text from the NT where it states the believer is entitled to view one day more sacred/ holy Tha another or every day alike

You must be lying because there is no Scripture saying, <<the believer is entitled to view one day more sacred/ holy Tha another or every day alike>>.

But if there is Scripture saying this, then what does <<entitle>> mean but that there IS a law in Scripture saying, One day is more sacred / holy than another, or, alike, more sacred / holy than every day!

 

[BobRyan]

Therefore no one will be declared righteous/ justified in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

Indeed - the moral law of God including the Ten Commandments defines what sin is - even in the NT but the LAW is not a "Savior" it cannot "forgive". It defines what sin is - Rom 3:19-21 and condemns all the NT world just as it condemned all the OT world. This is the role it has for the lost.

"sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

 

[stuart lawrence]

Well we have come full circle now back to the question of which laws that you never did define. You stated that you know whick laws but you failed to define them.

You cannot go through each individual thing you have heartfelt conviction you sin when you go against what is placed on your heart. You could summarise it I suppose as whatever detracts from you loving God or your neighbour.
The best way to address the question us. You know what law for you have heartfelt conviction you sin when you wilfully transgress it

 

[stuart lawrence]

Indeed - the moral law of God including the Ten Commandments defines what sin is - even in the NT but the LAW is not a "Savior" it cannot "forgive". It defines what sin is - Rom 3:19-21 and condemns all the NT world just as it condemned all the OT world. This is the role it has for the lost.

"sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

Putting aside the specific wording of the fourth commandment i agree with you.
Your problem is, you do believe observing the law is the requirement to enter heaven.
Whether you realise it or not, you live under a justification of observing the law

 

[stuart lawrence]

Good night All and Hae a Happy Sabbath and a Merry Christmas

Love you all, yes Lawence that includes you

You have a happy Xmas too.
Before you say you love me, have a read of 1cor ch13!

 

[stuart lawrence]

The grace Paul wrote of is hard to understand. You have to know your justification for heaven is solely faith in Christ.
You don't know that, if obeying the law is linked to attaining heaven. That's the problem with sda teaching. That and following the written code rather than the Spirit

 

[stuart lawrence]

For me, the most important thing I the Gospel message, not which day you go to church
I told the SDA minister if his church forthrightly preached the Gospel message laid out in scripture I would join his church!

But then he didn't believe specific to the NC was the law being written on your mind and placed on your heart

 

[rturner76]

Fulfilled by Christ at the Cross

Amen and the law has also been fulfilled. Now that we have faith, there is no need for it. Please read these verses from the book of Romans and know there are many more like it in the NT:

The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)

The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)

The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)

The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

 

[stuart lawrence]

Amen and the law has also been fulfilled. Now that we have faith, there is no need for it. Please read these verses from the book of Romans and know there are many more like it in the NT:

The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)

The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)

The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)

The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

A man who understands the new covenant.

Wonderful scriptures brother
God bless

 

[rturner76]

20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

 

[rturner76]

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

 

[stuart lawrence]

For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God
I have been crucified with Christ and i no longer live but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me.
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness / justification could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing
Gal2:19-21

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You cannot go through each individual thing you have heartfelt conviction you sin when you go against what is placed on your heart. You could summarise it I suppose as whatever detracts from you loving God or your neighbour.
The best way to address the question us. You know what law for you have heartfelt conviction you sin when you wilfully transgress it

Why can't you always write like here?

I just want to say, like you here describe, I feel convinced of my wilfulness and sin every moment of my life every move I make, every thought I think. But Thank God I know and am assured I'm not convicted of my wilful transgressions, but am forgiven for them, all by the grace of God for the sake of Christ.

And, in conclusion, I can rest in the sure knowledge and understanding of "the Sabbath OF THE LORD, YOUR, GOD" -- my God -- our God, that it has come out from every assailment, beleaguering and attack, unscathed, intact, fuller than fulfilled through and in Christ Jesus, yea, by virtue of his Resurrection, newly given to the People of God for "Sabbaths' Feast of Christ Assemblies" ... in Reformed, Protestant, domestic CHRISTIAN, FAITH!
There is no need for us to mutilate and tear out most significant texts of Scripture! We accept with Christ, all the Scriptures as God’s Word.

 

[BobRyan]

Putting aside the specific wording of the fourth commandment i agree with you.
Your problem is, you do believe observing the law is the requirement to enter heaven.
Whether you realise it or not, you live under a justification of observing the law

Aside from endlessly repeating false accusations - did you have a Bible comment? something compelling? Substantive?

 

[BobRyan]

Amen and the law has also been fulfilled. Now that we have faith, there is no need for it

Sadly for that failed doctrine - you will soon find out that Christians are still not supposed to "take God's name in vain" -- true today just as it was in Exodus 20:7 even though Christ never took God's name in vain -- still it would be sin for you to do it as well.

This is where your doctrine seems to fall apart.

 

[BobRyan]

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Good proof-text snippet quote of course - but Romans 6 actually refutes your doctrine.

as we can see here -

First of all - keep these three texts in mind
Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! IN fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"

And 1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" even in the NT -- still

In Romans 3:19-20 Paul explains the term "UNDER the LAW" means condemned by the LAW as a sinner and going to hell.

============== now then - Romans 6

So then in Romans 6 the point is made for those who are under the Gospel and no longer going to hell. Does Paul say in Romans 6 that continued rebellion against the LAW of God is going to work for Christians??

So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.

We can do this with each of the chapters in your list - if you like

 

[BobRyan]

For me, the most important thing I the Gospel message, not which day you go to church
I told the SDA minister if his church forthrightly preached the Gospel message laid out in scripture I would join his church!

Did that turn out to be true?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Fulfilled by Christ at the Cross

How was it <<fulfilled by Christ>> at the cross?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Talk about <<making stuff up in Colossians 2>>.....

....in Col 2 Christ "pays our certificate of debt"....

…then neatly files our sin certificate in a ledger kept hidden in a secret drawer….FOR FUTURE REFERENCE AND REVIEW IN THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT! Double agent, Jesus Christ!