I will simply address the first post of mine you responded to in the above, cant copy/ paste am on a Mobil.
Either you are unable to understand the point made, or you deliberately state I believe what i have never stated. I am quite sure in my own mind which of the two it is
You don't strike me as an unintelligent chap
I have no problem at all with your having a different POV than I do -- we can simply agree to look at the actual Bible details.
For example -
notice how explicitly NT authors not only affirm the Commandments of God - but quote from them to help those who might wonder if the TEN Commandments should be included?
================= notice the "Bible details"
In Matt 22 Jesus affirms OT - LAW and scripture
"
Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18
Matt 22 "On these two commandments hang all
the Law and the Prophets.
Matt 22
34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked
Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher,
which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “‘
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ (Deut 6:5) 38 This is
the first and great commandment. 39 And
the second
is like it: ‘
You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ (Lev 19:18) 40 On
these two commandments
hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
The firm foundation for the LAW and the prophets - LOVE.
TEN COMMANDMENTS AFFIRMED in NT
Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said;Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life 17 And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is
only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life,
keep the commandments; 18
Then he *said to Him,
Which ones? And Jesus said,
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself
"
what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19
"
Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"
If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
Matt 5
17
Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but
whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
"
do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31
What law? The Law that condemns all mankind as sinners -
Rom 3
19 Now we know
that what things soever the law saith, it
saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped,
and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the
deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight:
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being
witnessed by the law and the prophets;
That same law - same chapter
"
do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31
Any part of scripture read could fall under that title.
Acts 13:15 And a
fter the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, Men
and brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
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Rom 7
7 What shall we say then?
Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except
the law had said,
Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For
without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
12 So then,
the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
13 Therefore did that which is good become
a cause of death for me? May it never be!
Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.
14 For
we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I
would like to
do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16 But if I do the very thing I do not want
to do,
I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.
Rom 13 NKJV
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9
For the commandments,
“You shall not commit adultery,”
“
You shall not murder,”
“
You shall not steal,”
“
You shall not bear false witness,”
“
You shall not covet,” and if
there is any
other commandment, are
all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love
is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13 HCSB - Holman Bible
8 Do not owe anyone anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9
The commandments:
Do not commit adultery;
do not murder;
do not steal;
do not covet;
and whatever
other commandment—all are summed up by this: Love your neighbor as yourself.
10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor. Love, therefore, is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 2
14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law.
13 (for not the hearers of the law
are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law,
are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves
their thoughts accusing or else excusing
them) 16
in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
...
25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26
Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And
will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who,
even with
your written
code and circumcision,
are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who
is one outwardly, nor
is circumcision that which
is outward in the flesh; 29
but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise
is not from men but from God.
Rom 3
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to
those who are under the Law, so that
every mouth may be closed and
all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for
through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
"
Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4
"
ALL have sinned" Romans 3:23
Both Jews AND Gentiles are explicitly included in
Romans 2 --
4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of
God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9
There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the
Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the
Jew first and also to the Greek. 11
For there is no partiality with God.
Eph 6: 2 Honor your father and mother (which is
the first commandment with a promise), -- the 5th commandment in that still-valid "unit of ten" is the "FIRST commandment with a promise.
James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law
according to the Scripture,
ou shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality,
you are committing sin and are
convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For
whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one
point, he has become
guilty of all.
11 For
He who said, [/FONT]
Do not commit adultery
also said,
Do not commit murder.
Now if you do not
commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have
become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those
who are to be judged by the law of liberty
