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So someone posts:Good proof-text snippet quote of course - but Romans 6 actually refutes your doctrine.
You are the one making false accusations.Aside from endlessly repeating false accusations - did you have a Bible comment? something compelling? Substantive?
Of course not. .Did that turn out to be true?
Of course not. .
They believe as you do, the Christian is under law. It appears none of you know what Paul meant when he stated the believer is NOT under law
When Paul states the christian is not under law he means they are not under a law of righteousness:
Christ is the end of the law, UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS for everyone who believeth rom10:4
It doesn't reflect well on me that I have spent so long in this thread.
You people have a form of religion, not led of the Holy Spirit into truth. Your religion is devoid of that leading.
You cling to the OC at heart. All you have is the letter / written code without understanding the spiritual truth that letter contains. . Religion devoid of the Holy Spirit impacting your life is lifeless/ empty religion.
I am humbled and grateful my blindness was removed as a teenager. I wish yours could be too
Of course not. .
They believe as you do, the Christian is under law. It appears none of you know what Paul meant when he stated the believer is NOT under law
Romans 6 requires obedience to the word of God - under grace.
Rom 3:31 "Do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! IN fact we ESTABLISH the LAW"
And 1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" even in the NT -- still
In Romans 3:19-20 Paul explains the term "UNDER the LAW" means condemned by the LAW as a sinner and going to hell.
So then in Romans 6 the point is made for those who are under the Gospel and no longer going to hell. Does Paul say in Romans 6 that continued rebellion against the LAW of God is going to work for Christians??
So then Romans 6 "Under the LAW" vs "Under Grace"
Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
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12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.
1 Cor 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"
You'd better hope not being under law holds up to anything, because:You are snippet-not-quoting extreme proof-texting from a tiny sliver of Romans 6. If you do that then we are just going to actually "look" at Romans 6 you know.
Are you ready for that?
Would your claim hold up to a close review "of the details" as seen in that quote??
Matthew 22:34-40Good proof-text snippet quote of course - but Romans 6 actually refutes your doctrine.
as we can see here -
Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.
We can do this with each of the chapters in your list - if you like
Please quote as many verses as you can from the NT ( covenant) that states christians are to follow the written code rather than the holy spirit.Are we really going to have to quote all the verses stating how we are to keep the law of God? That much time, I don't have right now! It would dwarf your list!!
And please quote as many verses as you can once the NC is in operation that specifically state the words:Are we really going to have to quote all the verses stating how we are to keep the law of God? That much time, I don't have right now! It would dwarf your list!!
Anyway, thanks for confirming you live under the law, alongside another sda member who believes the same. I guess all sda members live under the lawAre we really going to have to quote all the verses stating how we are to keep the law of God? That much time, I don't have right now! It would dwarf your list!!
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