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Why do people have a problem with prosperity teachings?

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I have an idea of my own. But first, here's a few Scriptures...

8This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success. Joshua 1:8

4Delight thyself also in the LORD: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. Psalm 37:4

3Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established. Proverbs 16:3

18But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day. Deuteronomy 8:18

5And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. Deuteronomy 30:5

9And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers Deuteronomy 30:9

1Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. Psalm 1:1-3

10The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the LORD shall not want any good thing. Psalm 34:10

27Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant. Psalm 35:27

33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6:33

It is quite difficult indeed to look at the above Scriptures (and these are only a few -- there are MANY more) and truly not understand that God wants to prosper His kids. So why is it that so many people resist this teaching?

I am interested in hearing others' viewpoints on this, because in all things I want to be thoroughly equipped to minister to others. Studying to show myself approved so to speak.

From my perspective, I can see two issues here. First, I think there are those who simply cannot believe these teachings because of failings in their own lives. They think that since they themselves haven't prospered (for whatever reason), then it must not be sound doctrine.

The second issue (and it can actually be closely linked to the first when one thinks about it) is a good example of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". What I mean is that there are those who reject prosperity teachings not because they are unbiblical, but because they don't trust other human beings (and themselves really) with doctrine so wonderful. These are the sorts of folks who like to throw around the words "greed", "lust for money", etc. As if teaching prosperity automatically confers these sorts of sinful thoughts on someone. They seem almost afraid of these teachings, for fear of what human beings might twist them (and HAVE done so BTW) into meaning. Like a preacher who might say, "Give to this ministry from all of your life's savings, and all of your lines of credit, and you will be unbelievably rich!!" Sure, there are thieves out there. And there are those people who believe in prosperity without ONE thought for the Kingdom of God, as we are admonished to seek first in Matthew 6:33. And there are those who want nothing more than to be completely filthy rich, but have no spiritual maturity. These souls should be prayed for, that their hearts and minds come into agreement with what SCRIPTURE teaches about prosperity. But the thing is, such distorted views of Scripture, in my humble opinion, should not negate an important teaching. Just because someone abuses a Scriptural principle does not render the teaching itself null and void. That is what I mean by "throwing the baby out with the bathwater".

I would love to hear others' thoughts on this matter.
 

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Religious spirits, the traditions of men, evil hearts of unbelief, lack of proper teaching, bitterness, covetousness, disobedience (to tithe or give appropriately), sin, etc.

Most common excuse list:
1. Jesus was poor (they say) and so we must ignore hundreds of plain verses and promises of prosperity, since He had no where to lay His head.

2. T.V. ministers are bad, always trying to get your money (but none of the ones I watch are), therefore, we must ignore hundreds of plain verses and promises of prosperity, since sowing into the kingdom of God is just a scam to separate us from our money and build mansions for preachers.

3. Money itself is evil, and if you want some YOU are evil, and if you pray for some, you are a devil, incapable of anything but the most base motives. Therefore, we must ignore hundreds of plain verses and promises of prosperity and gather at the door of government for whatever handout will get us through.

This philosophy is consistent with their theology in other areas too. For example, faith isn't winning or overcoming anything, it's quietly acquiescing to circumstances and waiting out the problem, confident that God will still be there on the other side, and maybe we will be too! Never mind all the verses and promises that declare our authority and rights as sons of God to take dominion in our lives over a defeated enemy. The authority of the believer is a foreign concept to most theology and if you believe in it, your almost as bad as a "prosperity Gospel" Christian.
 
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The problem is people don't go down the middle of the road, and so they can get into a ditch on either side of the road.

I have seen more than my share of folks get blessed and when they do, they forget about God- until they spend it all, then they come back to the altar bawling.

Yes God does want you to prosper, but if you listen to Bro. Hagin back in the 80's and 90's- he would talk about being rich was having a full supply. I think we need to get back to the middle of the road and we can avoid excesses on either side.
 
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After the fall of the Roman empire a section of the church entered into a poverty movement where they thought to be poor made one more holy and to be rich made one evil. That error has carried over into many modern church teachings. They cannot see that equating poverty with righteousness is just as bad as equating material riches with righteousness.
Opponents of WoF are obessessed with the idea that someone may be prosperous. Which is odd because by NT standards they themselves are very prosperous. They are sitting in a very warm secure place typing words onto a computer. All this requires a level of prosperity that "poor" (by NT standards) cannot achieve. There is a blindness here. They criticise others for doing the very same thing that they themselves do. I have yet to meet a single anti-WoF critic divest themselves of all their prosperity and become righteously poor. Not one. But that is what they want you to do. As another person said. It is a religious spirit that wants to deprive the people of God of the good things God has for us. They cannot see it. By definition, that means they are blind.
 
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I have seen another attitude, it's okay to be rich as long as YOU earned it by the sweat of your brow (work) its not a promise from God its Your own hard work...............you become your own God in regards to taking care of your needs.
 
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I remember telling someone about the wonderful house God had provided for me and the miracle that led to my family being in the house.

He yelled in my face for boasting about my house. I said I was not boasting because I did not provide it God did and politely asked him if he lived in a house.

He said "YES I DO LIVE IN A HOUSE, BUT I GOT IT ALL BY MYSELF".

This was an elder in a church. No revelation of the grace of God.

I bit my tongue from saying "yes you did, that's what's wrong with it..."

Blessings all,
Ben
 
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I remember telling someone about the wonderful house God had provided for me and the miracle that led to my family being in the house.

He yelled in my face for boasting about my house. I said I was not boasting because I did not provide it God did and politely asked him if he lived in a house.

He said "YES I DO LIVE IN A HOUSE, BUT I GOT IT ALL BY MYSELF".

This was an elder in a church. No revelation of the grace of God.

I bit my tongue from saying "yes you did, that's what's wrong with it..."

Blessings all,
Ben
Exactly! Sometimes I think that's worse than the guy living in total poverty and claiming this is Gods will for him. At least he sees God and not himself as his sorce, as skewed as his view of what God wants for him is it's still better than claiming he got everything by himself and thats better than God giving it to him.
 
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I remember telling someone about the wonderful house God had provided for me and the miracle that led to my family being in the house.

He yelled in my face for boasting about my house. I said I was not boasting because I did not provide it God did and politely asked him if he lived in a house.

He said "YES I DO LIVE IN A HOUSE, BUT I GOT IT ALL BY MYSELF".

This was an elder in a church. No revelation of the grace of God.

I bit my tongue from saying "yes you did, that's what's wrong with it..."

Blessings all,
Ben

I doubt I would've bitten my tongue at that point. LOL
 
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Why do people have a problem with prosperity teachings?
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Hello:wave:

If you would like my answer..........

If I might post a fellowship post, one that might also speak for other members of the SFPC forum.

I dont have a problem with prosperity or biblical prosperity. Or with many WOF teachers, I actually sell a lot of Kenneth Hagin's earlier books in my bookstore.

Its some of the extremes teachings and dodgy dealings that I have experienced as a former member of a WOF church that I have problems with.

There is also the perception that folks in the WOF camp dont speak out against wolves and weasels in their midst. Gives the appearance of corruption.

God Bless You:wave:
 
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I totally believe that as Christians, we have authority from God. I believe that God wants us to prosper and to "have an abundant life", as Christ said it. I just believe that it doesn't mean it's ok for us to use wealth for our own comforts and pleasures only. One can be richly blessed in material things but deeply spiritually dry at the same time.

I believe there should be moderation, and that God has called some of us to be rich or really blessed physically, BUT that you use that wealth to bless others and advance the Kingdom. If I was rich, I personally think it'd be bad for me to, say, buy a big house and an expensive car. But that's just me.

I believe God wants us to be "rich" in the fruits of the Holy Spirit our lives and actions bear. To be rich in the Holy Spirit and God's blessings. But that being rich in the spiritual things doesn't always have to mean too materialistically. When we use the wealth God blesses us with to accumulate for ourselves too many things we don't need, it takes the focus off of Christ and others and puts that focus on us; it is selfish, and not humble. God says not to accumulate for ourselves treasures on Earth, but treasures in Heaven. And we are to help the ones less fortunate than ourselves, Christian and not Christian.

So, yes, I do believe that God wants us to prosper; but that it doesn't mean JUST materialistically. Of course I feel that God wants to bless me with a moderate income and good-enough place to live. But I shall be satisfied with just that. I believe that by "rich" and "abundant", God mostly meant SPIRITUALLY, emotionally, psychologically, etc. I can live in a little house or cabin with not much but enough, emotionally and psychologically healed, along with plenty of good fruit of the Spirit, and more to bless others with; that is an example of being richly blessed and prosperous, to me!
 
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Hello:wave:

There is also the perception that folks in the WOF camp dont speak out against wolves and weasels in their midst. Gives the appearance of corruption.

God Bless You:wave:

Hi Lismore, funny I was just thinking this very thing today... in the past we have been intimidated by everyone who calls himself a teacher or a prophet and we accept everything they say even though sometimes it doesn't line up with the word or we get a check in our spirit...

it is time we started to stand up for truth even when it comes from the pulpit, i can guarantee that if we call some of these guys on what they are teaching and prophesying then they will think twice about teaching/prophesying it again...
 
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Hi Lismore, funny I was just thinking this very thing today... in the past we have been intimidated by everyone who calls himself a teacher or a prophet and we accept everything they say even though sometimes it doesn't line up with the word or we get a check in our spirit...

it is time we started to stand up for truth even when it comes from the pulpit, i can guarantee that if we call some of these guys on what they are teaching and prophesying then they will think twice about teaching/prophesying it again...


I think that WOF have so many people criticizing them that they don't criticize others.
 
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Just a thought here. The fact that there ARE abuses in the WOF arena shouldn't cast any doubt on the validity of the true teachings of WOF. If anything, it is the other way around. The fact that there are abusers of the prosperity doctrine should actually ATTEST to the validity of the doctrine.

After all, a counterfeiter will work to counterfeit a $100 bill. Not a gum wrapper. A gum wrapper has no worth (compared to a $100 bill); hence, there is no reason to counterfeit the gum wrapper. The fact that $100 bills are counterfeited doesn't take away the value of the genuine article. But I agree with Mike, we should do our best to expose those who are the counterfeiters.
 
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And not just prosperity.
I have been trusting God for health now for on towards 40 years and have enjoyed health to the point where sickness was rare. Yet I have had "believers" criticise me and tell me I was missing out on the real blessing that God has for the sick.
Say what????
 
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