Why do people have a problem with prosperity teachings?

[Teclils]

Tell us more about the Jewish teaching.

I have only watched 2 of the shows...one he asked "does GOD want you to be poor?" he said no...then he asked "does GOD want you to be rich?" he said I cannot answer that for you because GOD has not told me that for you. But he does know that GOD does not want you to be poor.

it is very interesting he said it is not in the intent of the person but the action that is judged. For ex he said he has a neighbor that has a key to his house when he was gone his hotwater tank busted by the time he got home his neighbor had it all fixed and cleaned up. He said but he has a speculation that his neighbor really doesn't like Jews and has some anti-semitism he said it is only speculation and if he does that is between his neighbor and GOD. He said would he want to change to a new neighbor that LOVES him just LOVES him Loves all Jews but keeps killing his cats and hurting his children and keys his cars? He said no I would rather have my current neighbor because it is not in the "Intent of the heart" it is the Action that is judged.

He said it is no different if you are working for a pay check or if you own your own business making a profit ...it is all customer SERVICE ...in church or synogoge sp? we have Worship Service...it is all in the Service is what we are judged on...the action

mind you he is only on teaching 2 I would suggest you find it and watch it.

What I am getting out of it is that it is your actions...if you are blessed with wealth it is in your Actions how you treat people and what you do with the money is how you are judged. AND it is between you and GOD.

 

[psalms 91]

I would like to p;oint out that this area is for Word of Faith, you are welcome to fellowship, to ask questions. You are not allowed to debate here unless you are Word of Faih. I believe that we can go no further as you are set in what you think and we know our beliefs so I think this discussion should now end.[/quote]

I thought that everyone was welcome, and that we are all of one body? News to me I didn't know that there was a Jesus Christ who died for the WOF and one who died for Baptists or Foursquare. Plus was I debating by myself? Exactly I didn't think so. What's matter am I stomping on some lil toesies? Must be because you didn't have a problem with me being here in the beginning. And you wonder why unbelievers and atheist see Christianity as a big joke! With your superior attitude of division.

The reason these areas are set up is to allow a place to freely talk about ones beliefs without being attacked, which I percieve you are doing. I will report you if it continues, my one and only warning. If you believe thta we can all get along then perhaps you could suggest combining the Catholic and Baptist sections, I would be interested to see that discussion. There are many places on this board that your views are welcome but mnot in an area designed for WOF to safely discuss theiir views. Questions are qwelcome and I perceived that you had some thus the welcome, you are now debating and coming ahgainst our beliefs so I must say goodbye.

 

[Teclils]

I thought HIS children were to walk and talk in Love and not use HIS words like a sword against one another?
I can handle a discussion but debate is a harsh word and action...are we to debate? discuss yes debate I think not....
we are to love one another ...where does it say in HIS word we are to come at each other so harshly? the only place I see this is with the Pharasees (sp?) towards JESUS and the Apostles etc...
something to think about...

 

[psalms 91]

On this latest, I would have to agree. That whole "stronger" thing is blathering nonsense.



If I've broken the rules in any way, I apologize. Sorry for starting the debate and/or keeping it going.

No you are doing fine sir.

 

[Teclils]

I think we need to get back to the discussion of the Topic of the Thread....no where were we?

 

[Teclils]

Two things I've always said-
If you are following God to get rich, you already have issues. Sadly many who have been "burned" by WOF were doing it to get rich. Its all about motive.

If someone hears the word prosperity and the first thing they think of is money, they have more issues than the preacher.



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I understand what you are saying and I agree that many have been burned BUT we are responsible not to take everything spoken for face value it is our responsibility to take what is said and research it in HIS word for ourselves and get confirmation from HIM.

I have fallen for it a time or two then have kicked myself for not going to HIM with it afterwards...I ended up doing WORKS!

Prosperity is Everything not just money that is only part of it...but if one is ONLY looking for $$$ then they are not Truly seeking HIM they are only seeking what HE has to give. That is wrong! They are like the rich kid that only looks at its parents as banks. not good...

 

[Jedi.Kep]

There is soooooo much that could be said, but I just won't. It's simply not worth the time trying to reason with unreasonable people.

 

[Teclils]

There is soooooo much that could be said, but I just won't. It's simply not worth the time trying to reason with unreasonable people.

Jedi lets just stay on topic and keep it in Love...we are discussing it not debating the topic..ok?

 

[Jedi.Kep]

Jedi lets just stay on topic and keep it in Love...we are discussing it not debating the topic..ok?

No problem. This recent...well, what do you call it...thing, is a perfect example of what can happen when people get carried away with prosperity doctrine at the exclusion of all else. The burned people walk away mad and angry and don't trust anyone, which was clearly demonstrated here.

It happenes in all areas of life, but since we are talking about prosperity here....Getting burned hurts. Getting taken advantage of hurts. Been there, and done that. What's the cure?

Love and forgiveness. Unforgiveness is a cancer that leads to what we just witnessed. There is only one cure, and forgiveness is like cutting out a cancer without any painkillers. Forgiving people who have burned us can be just as painful as being hurt in the first place.

A better example might be like getting a broken bone. If the bone is not set propery, it won't heal propery and then it doesn't work properly. It might still work, but it's just not right. The longer one waits to set their broken bone, the more painful it is to fix, sometimes the bone needs to be re-set, which means it needs to be broken again before proper healing can occur.

I've seen this happen over and over in people. Their wounds haven't been set properly by the Word of God, and they have become deformed. They still 'work' to a degree, but not in the capacity they were made to. If we have not love, then we are clanging gongs, noisy cymbals...nothing.

Our two most important commandments. Love God. Love people. When we stray from those, we get into a mess.

 

[Jedi.Kep]

I understand what you are saying and I agree that many have been burned BUT we are responsible not to take everything spoken for face value it is our responsibility to take what is said and research it in HIS word for ourselves and get confirmation from HIM.

I have fallen for it a time or two then have kicked myself for not going to HIM with it afterwards...I ended up doing WORKS!

Prosperity is Everything not just money that is only part of it...but if one is ONLY looking for $$$ then they are not Truly seeking HIM they are only seeking what HE has to give. That is wrong! They are like the rich kid that only looks at its parents as banks. not good...

Folks hear that God wants to prosper them, and the immature will suddenly turn to money rather than God to meet their needs. I've done it myself so I know how suttle it is.

 

[Teclils]

No problem. This recent...well, what do you call it...thing, is a perfect example of what can happen when people get carried away with prosperity doctrine at the exclusion of all else. The burned people walk away mad and angry and don't trust anyone, which was clearly demonstrated here.

It happenes in all areas of life, but since we are talking about prosperity here....Getting burned hurts. Getting taken advantage of hurts. Been there, and done that. What's the cure?

Love and forgiveness. Unforgiveness is a cancer that leads to what we just witnessed. There is only one cure, and forgiveness is like cutting out a cancer without any painkillers. Forgiving people who have burned us can be just as painful as being hurt in the first place.

A better example might be like getting a broken bone. If the bone is not set propery, it won't heal propery and then it doesn't work properly. It might still work, but it's just not right. The longer one waits to set their broken bone, the more painful it is to fix, sometimes the bone needs to be re-set, which means it needs to be broken again before proper healing can occur.

I've seen this happen over and over in people. Their wounds haven't been set properly by the Word of God, and they have become deformed. They still 'work' to a degree, but not in the capacity they were made to. If we have not love, then we are clanging gongs, noisy cymbals...nothing.

Our two most important commandments. Love God. Love people. When we stray from those, we get into a mess.

I understand what you are saying..one problem is unforgiveness is not fully taught...recently Holy Spirit shown me that we keep forgiving and then ask HIM to show such and such person what they are doing wrong..this is incorrect that is judgement on that person...who are we to say what is wrong with that person that is between them and GOD what we need to do is forgive and ask HIM to bless them and leave it at that and let GOD take care of the rest. I have found when I do this I really let the person go and the hurt.

we need to get in out word for ourselves and look what GOD reallys says..HIS word does show HE doesn't want us poor but HE does want us blessed to prosper but that is not money ONLY it is our lives prosper in the spiritual and in the earthly but not necessarily rich in cash.

 

[Teclils]

Folks hear that God wants to prosper them, and the immature will suddenly turn to money rather than God to meet their needs. I've done it myself so I know how suttle it is.

I know because the teacher is not teaching Prosperity fully and we listening are not going to the LORD with it and asking HIM if this is Truth or not...

They are in error for not teaching correctly and we are in error for not getting confirmation from the LORD

we cannot put all the blame on the teachers, preachers etc...we are at fault as well.

 

[Jedi.Kep]

I know because the teacher is not teaching Prosperity fully and we listening are not going to the LORD with it and asking HIM if this is Truth or not...

They are in error for not teaching correctly and we are in error for not getting confirmation from the LORD

we cannot put all the blame on the teachers, preachers etc...we are at fault as well.

I agree. Fingerpointing started in the Garden. Adam blamed Eve (and God). Eve blamed the snake.

It is not our nature to point the finger at who is really responsibile. Ultimately, WE are responsible for who we allow ourselves to listen to. If I get 'suckered' then who's to blame? I am. Period.

 

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[Stoopot, Lord of Mice]

I was involved in a baby dedication last week. The baby had 5 names and was being named. The parents wanted me to translate the 5 names from their tribal tongue and explain what they meant and preach a little on the names.

The first name was God is Merciful. The other names were God is righteous, God will never let me feel shame and God is good. The final name is God gives me wealth.

I said as I was ministering that they had named their child in the right order. If you put mercy and righteousness first, all these things WILL BE ADDED to you.

If you put money first, you may get it you may not. But you will miss out on something more valuable than money.

 

[Teclils]

Stoopot
I wish people would get that wealth is not just money...it is wealth in relationships w/man and GOD, in health etc....

People keep saying money money money but that is only part..

love you post

 

[Stoopot, Lord of Mice]

Stoopot
I wish people would get that wealth is not just money...it is wealth in relationships w/man and GOD, in health etc....

People keep saying money money money but that is only part..

love you post

People of faith get that wealth is on every level. But Christians who don't have faith can only operate carnally. This means that they are only moved by what they see. So they can only look at a faith person and see the money. Because they are carnal, they are envious because the flesh is naturally and normally full of envy.

If they had faith, they would see so much more and walk in love so much more.

Great point.

 

[Teclils]

People of faith get that wealth is on every level. But Christians who don't have faith can only operate carnally. This means that they are only moved by what they see. So they can only look at a faith person and see the money. Because they are carnal, they are envious because the flesh is naturally and normally full of envy.

If they had faith, they would see so much more and walk in love so much more.

Great point.

I don't believe that all Christians think this way but most of them do in the US (where I live)...I also don't believe they have the full revelation of the LOVE of GOD either...

 

[Teclils]

I want to apologize Stoopot I kinda sounded rude on my post to you (the first one) I did not intend it to sound rude...xoxoxo

 

[Stoopot, Lord of Mice]

I don't think you sounded rude in the slightest. Not even one bit.

When you communicate on a forum, you are only communicating with 10% of the power of communication, as 30% is non-verbal and 60% is your body language.

Therefore, I never assume someone is rude ever. Love always thinks the best. But thanks for being so sensitive.

Remember the good news: JESUS became poor in money so we could be rich in money. That is the absolute truth of God's Word.

Our prosperity is not rooted in our actions and works, but in the redemptive action and work of the perfect Second Man.