Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

[Albion]

No Church is perfect but I doubt the sins of the SDA are sins unto death; they may fail but they do not conspire against God; a lot of SDA are aware of their problems; they have a parable about themselves; to cut it short after much discussion over along time as to why their trolley car on their way to heaven has stopped moving when some one put their head out of the window and looked up and said, the reason we are not Going anywhere is be cause we are disconnected from the power above.

I personally don't think the three angels need help, but the SDA have made a commitment to God and are now require to keep it; and preaching God and His law will incite hatred of her; you should recall the English treatment of the Puritans. Some SDA believe it is not proper to offend the world but the two witnesses of Revelation preach the Law and are slain for doing it.

Hi. There is quite a lot to digest in that post and not all of it seems on target. The SDA are not the Puritans, for example, nor were they founded in England.

In any case, what I asked was this: Why, do you suppose, the Catholics and the Adventists (and a few others, probably) stand out among all the many denominations for believing and insisting to us that everybody hates them (or something in that vein)? What do they have in common that might account for it?

 

[sparow]

Hi. There is quite a lot to digest in that post and not all of it seems on target. The SDA are not the Puritans, for example, nor were they founded in England.

In any case, what I asked was this: Why, do you suppose, the Catholics and the Adventists (and a few others, probably) stand out among all the many denominations for believing and insisting to us that everybody hates them (or something in that vein)? What do they have in common that might account for it?

I never intended to imply the SDA were Puritans; although at least one of their founding members was Puritan. I have no idea where the Puritans were founded; I have only heard of them in England , France and the US; some French Puritans kept the Sabbath; In the US a Puritan State had the death penalty for working on Sunday; no one was ever charged or convicted but 25 years ago the Law had not been repealed.

The reason I raised the Puritan issue is that the English is not innocent and has persecuted the Puritans, has jailed them and drove them from the English shores.

Your simulantsing the Catholic Church with the SDA is a failed ploy; the Catholic has abrogated the Law therefore does not keep {the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus}; if the Catholic Church is hated it is not because the keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. The SDA doctrine is: keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus and for this reason they are hated.

 

[sparow]

All of us are growing . . .in understanding . . . meaning that all of us are wrong at some point . . .and as the wrong causes such a person to forfeit something of heavenly value . . .it does not mean that we can hate him/her. If we know the solution . . .obviously we need to give it without judging the person . . .as judgment of the person will also put us under judgment.
So . . .I love them . . .and debate with them and they with me . . .and the Spirit will reveal the Truth!
Love Johan

Seeking the truth is a requirement for the children of God and it is an endless pursuit; the scriptures provide an endless stream of understanding and wisdom; most think they have the truth and stop searching.

 

[Albion]

The reason I raised the Puritan issue is that the English is not innocent and has persecuted the Puritans, has jailed them and drove them from the English shores.

I still don't see what that has to do with the Roman Catholics or the Seventh-day Adventists, but no matter. Lets move on.

Your simulantsing the Catholic Church with the SDA is a failed ploy; the Catholic has abrogated the Law therefore does not keep {the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus}; if the Catholic Church is hated it is not because the keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. The SDA doctrine is: keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus and for this reason they are hated.

Well, you didn't get it so I'll tell you.

Both are resented, in some quarters, because both profess to be the only true church and hold that all others are lesser--or bogus--in the eyes of God.

Most denominations are not that way, you know, even if they think that they have certain doctrines correct while others do not.

It's not hard to understand that, given this sort of attitude, other Christians will tend to push back against it. That's what Catholics and Adventists often take to be 'hate' although that's usually an exaggeration.

 

[BobRyan]

Why, do you suppose, the Catholics and the Adventists (and a few others, probably) stand out among all the many denominations for believing and insisting to us that everybody hates them

As I said before - the 'Why hate seventh-day Adventists" title was not mine -- I started the 'why some people LIKE seventh-day Adventists thread".

it is not possible to charge SDAs with starting this thread. I think the questions asked in the thread are good to discuss - but I prefer to think that the fastest growing Christian denomination that is stated to be the 5th largest in the world according to Christianity Today - is in fact "liked" by a certain growing number of people.

 

[BobRyan]

profess to be the only true church

???

1 . Every denomination including the RCC worth it's salt - claims that in areas where its doctrine differs from its neighbor -- its own view is correct and its neighbor has some degree if inaccuracy/error in their view. This is hardly "news".

2. The SDA denomination claims that a "remnant" group promoting God's agenda has existed in every Age. A few short examples -- Noah, Abraham, Moses, John the baptizer, Paul, the protesting Catholic reformers. etc. But at the same time we do not claim that those outside of the groups listed were not Christian or that the remnant groups that lead out - were the only saved people on the planet at the time. ( other than perhaps in the case of Noah and those that followed him vs his opposers..)

 

[Albion]

As I said before - the 'Why hate seventh-day Adventists" title was not mine -- I started the 'why some people LIKE seventh-day Adventists thread".

it is not possible to charge SDAs with starting this thread. I think the questions asked in the thread are good to discuss - but I prefer to think that the fastest growing Christian denomination that is stated to be the 5th largest in the world according to Christianity Today - is in fact "liked" by a certain growing number of people.

OK. I just answered the question.

 

[Albion]

???

1 . Every denomination including the RCC worth it's salt - claims that in areas where its doctrine differs from its neighbor -- its own view is correct and its neighbor has some degree if inaccuracy/error in their view. This is hardly "news".

It also isn't what I wrote. I thought I'd been clear enough about that.

2. The SDA denomination claims that a "remnant" group promoting God's agenda has existed in every Age. A few short examples -- Noah, Abraham, Moses, John the baptizer, Paul, the protesting Catholic reformers. etc. But at the same time we do not claim that those outside of the groups listed were not Christian or that the remnant groups that lead out - were the only saved people on the planet at the time. ( other than perhaps in the case of Noah and those that followed him vs his opposers..)

Again, not what I wrote.

 

[D2wing]

I think paying much attention to any doctrines of man are a waste of time. No man or group has a corner on the truth. If you are not led by the Holy Spirit you are casting about in the dark anyway. A cult or domination is never going to be perfect and can sometimes detract from the Gospel, or be a heresy. To single out one to criticize is not productive. I ignore pretty much all of them. It is not my pay grade to judge them either.

 

[sparow]

I still don't see what that has to do with the Roman Catholics or the Seventh-day Adventists, but no matter. Lets move on.


Well, you didn't get it so I'll tell you.

Both are resented, in some quarters, because both profess to be the only true church and hold that all others are lesser--or bogus--in the eyes of God.

Most denominations are not that way, you know, even if they think that they have certain doctrines correct while others do not.

It's not hard to understand that, given this sort of attitude, other Christians will tend to push back against it. That's what Catholics and Adventists often take to be 'hate' although that's usually an exaggeration.

The SDA claim to be the true church; I have not heard the RCC make that claim.

I don't know the specifics of why the SDA do that; but some reasoning I believe is: they are a remnant that came out of the Church and renewed the covenant with God. Their doctrine is: to Keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.

The RCC assumes an imaginary authority believed extended to Peter; The Pope and his Church is in place of Christ; no one enters the kingdom of God except through the RCC. The doctrine of the Papacy is: the Law is abrogated and because of this cannot {keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus}.

Comparing the SDA with the RCC is like comparing chalk and cheese and should offend both. Being Hated for: Keeping the commandments of God and having the faith of Jesus; brings reward from God; being hated for false doctrine or for non-Biblical matters brings no reward.

 

[sparow]

I think paying much attention to any doctrines of man are a waste of time. No man or group has a corner on the truth. If you are not led by the Holy Spirit you are casting about in the dark anyway. A cult or domination is never going to be perfect and can sometimes detract from the Gospel, or be a heresy. To single out one to criticize is not productive. I ignore pretty much all of them. It is not my pay grade to judge them either.

Salvation is not by church it is by individual so the true church is on the other side.

Luke 17:34-37 (NKJV)
34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.
35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left.
36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."
37 And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."

 

[rturner76]

The doctrine of the Papacy is: the Law is abrogated and because of this cannot {keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus}.

This is a half-truth and part of the reason this thread was made I think.

In the Old Testament, following the 613 Mosaic laws is what used to be required in order to gain God's favor for the Israelites. This included animal sacrifices, ceremonial washings, and dietary restrictions etc.

Catholics believe that being saved by Christ and gaining the Holy Spirit allows you forgiveness of your sins (salvation). This is the second and everlasting covenant available to everyone. SInce Gentiles were grafted into the second, the first one is no longer binding so there is no need for animal sacrifice etc. Does that mean you can do whatever you want, treat people with disrespect and blaspheme God? Of course not!

(Matthew 19:17)."Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, 'Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?' So Jesus said to him..."You know the commandments"

We ARE supposed to follow the 10 commandments, also many others given to us by by Christ in the New Testament as well. It's just that our sinful nature makes us unable to follow the commandments until we are baptized unto the Holy Spirit. Also, simply following the commandments is not sufficient for the forgiveness of sins but it is Christ's sacrifice that is salvific not obedience or works as they say.

If this is a doctrine that does not allow one to "keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus," I would be very grateful if someone would tell me where the falsehood lies. I am never above a correction, especially when done so with love.

 

[Albion]

The SDA claim to be the true church; I have not heard the RCC make that claim.

She's probably the best known of the churches which say that of themselves.

I don't know the specifics of why the SDA do that; but some reasoning I believe is: they are a remnant that came out of the Church and renewed the covenant with God. Their doctrine is: to Keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.

The RCC assumes an imaginary authority believed extended to Peter; The Pope and his Church is in place of Christ; no one enters the kingdom of God except through the RCC. The doctrine of the Papacy is: the Law is abrogated and because of this cannot {keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus}.

For purposes of this discussion, it really doesn't matter WHY each church thinks as it does. My point is that they both assert it to other Christians, so many of these respond with some hostilty or resentment.

Comparing the SDA with the RCC is like comparing chalk and cheese and should offend both.

The only point of comparison has been that both claim to be the only true church and make a point of telling other Christians that this is their belief.

 

[sparow]

This is a half-truth and part of the reason this thread was made I think.

In the Old Testament, following the 613 Mosaic laws is what used to be required in order to gain God's favor for the Israelites. This included animal sacrifices, ceremonial washings, and dietary restrictions etc.

Catholics believe that being saved by Christ and gaining the Holy Spirit allows you forgiveness of your sins (salvation). This is the second and everlasting covenant available to everyone. SInce Gentiles were grafted into the second, the first one is no longer binding so there is no need for animal sacrifice etc. Does that mean you can do whatever you want, treat people with disrespect and blaspheme God? Of course not!

(Matthew 19:17)."Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, 'Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?' So Jesus said to him..."You know the commandments"

We ARE supposed to follow the 10 commandments, also many others given to us by by Christ in the New Testament as well. It's just that our sinful nature makes us unable to follow the commandments until we are baptized unto the Holy Spirit. Also, simply following the commandments is not sufficient for the forgiveness of sins but it is Christ's sacrifice that is salvific not obedience or works as they say.

If this is a doctrine that does not allow one to "keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus," I would be very grateful if someone would tell me where the falsehood lies. I am never above a correction, especially when done so with love.

Instead of half truth incomplete truth because there isn't enough space on the tread to write it all down. If I were to ask what does the Catholic Church teach I would not know who to ask because every Catholic will tell a different story; so I go with historical accounts. The universal Church starts with Constantine; the mixing of Christian and Pagan and this universal Church was the State Church of Rome (also known as the Beast), and in around 590 AD the State Church claimed to inherit the Roman Empire and according to Luther, on the basis of a forged Constantine will. For 1260 years the Church claimed to be Rome, whether it was the beast, illegitimately the beast or never was the beast is debateable but by way defending itself the Church produces Futurism which in turn begets Dispensationalism.

The Beasts are part of a system that God has devised so an institution cannot simply elect to be or not be the beast so the individual Catholic person needs to be aware of who they follow; is it the beast with its mark, is it the State Church of Rome whom may not be sufficiently distinct from the beast or do they follow God.

The 613 Mosaic Laws are an example of men dividing God's word differently than how God does; remember the Pharisees fell flat on their face regarding God's Law. Any sacrifice involving Blood was a surrogate for the Lamb of God from the foundation; the shedding of Christ's blood was as much for the old covenant as it was for the new covenant. The ceremonial washings were to wash away sin and were only ever
useful following repentance; the Priests had to void themselves of sin before entering the Sanctuary, and that ceremonial washing is the type for full emersion baptism which also requires the voiding of sin before it is useful. Dietary restrictions are for good health.
.
You say Catholic believe such and such but the matter isn't clear to me. forgiveness is an arbitrary decision God makes, symbolised by the washing away sin with Christ's blood but repentance, the voiding of sin by the individual is always required. My view of the covenant is God's covenant is God's covenant, neither new or old, never changing. The Ten Commandments are called the covenant and also called the Law; the covenant that Christ confirmed by His earthly presence and sacrifice is God's covenant. The new covenant differs from the old only in that there is a new mediator, a new priesthood and a new sacrifice, but not one dit or dot removed from the Law also called the covenant. What most people call the New Covenant I call fiction.

There are always exceptions to the rules, the thief on the cross for example, but salvation comes to them that grow into harvestable fruit. The Catholic Church has changed the Ten Commandments; especially the fourth commandment where the Church claims to have the authority to change the Sabbath to Sunday; the have changed other Laws also; their Laws still number ten.


Here is how Exodus 20 renders the list of the Commandments.
1 And God spoke all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates.
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.” (American King James Version× English Standard Version )

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. verses 1 to 3
2. You shall make no idols. verses 4 to 6
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. verse 7
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. verse 8 to 11
5. Honor your father and your mother. verse 12
6. You shall not murder. verse 13
7. You shall not commit adultery. verse 14
8. You shall not steal. verse 15
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. verse 16
10. You shall not covet. verse 17

According to it's own Statements the Catholic Church abrogates the Law; whatever that means, except that the Catholic Ten Commandments are not the Law, are not the covenant of God but are merely a moral code. How does this moral code differ to the abrogated covenant:

First the second Commandment is completely omitted; the Catholics have different arrays of wordage for their third commandment but in any case they say remember the first day and not the seventh day; this instead of the fourth Commandment which contains the seal of God; because they omitted the second Commandment they split the 9th Commandment into two to make ten; Why would the need ten, nine would be good enough for a moral code. The Commandments mentioned in Matthew 19:17 are the covenant not a moral code.

Catholic Ten Commandments

1. I am the Lord your God; you shall not have strange gods before me.

2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's day

4. Honor your father and your mother.

5. You shall not kill.

6. You shall not commit adultery.

7. You shall not steal.

8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.

10. You shall not covet you neighbor's goods.

The main thing about Doctrine and correction is: the OT is suitable for correction and only Jesus (the OT Word of God) is teacher, not any man, not me. not the Pope. and not the apostles.

 

[sparow]

She's probably the best known of the churches which say that of themselves.

For purposes of this discussion, it really doesn't matter WHY each church thinks as it does. My point is that they both assert it to other Christians, so many of these respond with some hostilty or resentment.


The only point of comparison has been that both claim to be the only true church and make a point of telling other Christians that this is their belief.

<<<She's probably the best known of the churches which say that of themselves.>>> She maybe the only one to say it but most imply it.

The point I made was if the SDA is hated for claiming to be the true church the hatred is in vain; there is no reward for anyone; if the SDA hated the other churches abrogating the Law of God, there would be merit from God in that hatred.

I believe there is disciplinary action being taken at the moment against SDA preachers on you tube who are too free with that info; their claim has never made me angry but I believe they should claim to be endeavouring to be "A" true church.

 

[rturner76]

Instead of half truth incomplete truth because there isn't enough space on the tread to write it all down. If I were to ask what does the Catholic Church teach I would not know who to ask because every Catholic will tell a different story; so I go with historical accounts. The universal Church starts with Constantine; the mixing of Christian and Pagan and this universal Church was the State Church of Rome (also known as the Beast), and in around 590 AD the State Church claimed to inherit the Roman Empire and according to Luther, on the basis of a forged Constantine will. For 1260 years the Church claimed to be Rome, whether it was the beast, illegitimately the beast or never was the beast is debateable but by way defending itself the Church produces Futurism which in turn begets Dispensationalism.

The Beasts are part of a system that God has devised so an institution cannot simply elect to be or not be the beast so the individual Catholic person needs to be aware of who they follow; is it the beast with its mark, is it the State Church of Rome whom may not be sufficiently distinct from the beast or do they follow God.

The 613 Mosaic Laws are an example of men dividing God's word differently than how God does; remember the Pharisees fell flat on their face regarding God's Law. Any sacrifice involving Blood was a surrogate for the Lamb of God from the foundation; the shedding of Christ's blood was as much for the old covenant as it was for the new covenant. The ceremonial washings were to wash away sin and were only ever
useful following repentance; the Priests had to void themselves of sin before entering the Sanctuary, and that ceremonial washing is the type for full emersion baptism which also requires the voiding of sin before it is useful. Dietary restrictions are for good health.
.
You say Catholic believe such and such but the matter isn't clear to me. forgiveness is an arbitrary decision God makes, symbolised by the washing away sin with Christ's blood but repentance, the voiding of sin by the individual is always required. My view of the covenant is God's covenant is God's covenant, neither new or old, never changing. The Ten Commandments are called the covenant and also called the Law; the covenant that Christ confirmed by His earthly presence and sacrifice is God's covenant. The new covenant differs from the old only in that there is a new mediator, a new priesthood and a new sacrifice, but not one dit or dot removed from the Law also called the covenant. What most people call the New Covenant I call fiction.

There are always exceptions to the rules, the thief on the cross for example, but salvation comes to them that grow into harvestable fruit. The Catholic Church has changed the Ten Commandments; especially the fourth commandment where the Church claims to have the authority to change the Sabbath to Sunday; the have changed other Laws also; their Laws still number ten.


Here is how Exodus 20 renders the list of the Commandments.
1 And God spoke all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates.
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.” (American King James Version× English Standard Version )

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. verses 1 to 3
2. You shall make no idols. verses 4 to 6
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. verse 7
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. verse 8 to 11
5. Honor your father and your mother. verse 12
6. You shall not murder. verse 13
7. You shall not commit adultery. verse 14
8. You shall not steal. verse 15
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. verse 16
10. You shall not covet. verse 17

According to it's own Statements the Catholic Church abrogates the Law; whatever that means, except that the Catholic Ten Commandments are not the Law, are not the covenant of God but are merely a moral code. How does this moral code differ to the abrogated covenant:

First the second Commandment is completely omitted; the Catholics have different arrays of wordage for their third commandment but in any case they say remember the first day and not the seventh day; this instead of the fourth Commandment which contains the seal of God; because they omitted the second Commandment they split the 9th Commandment into two to make ten; Why would the need ten, nine would be good enough for a moral code. The Commandments mentioned in Matthew 19:17 are the covenant not a moral code.

Catholic Ten Commandments

1. I am the Lord your God; you shall not have strange gods before me.

2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's day

4. Honor your father and your mother.

5. You shall not kill.

6. You shall not commit adultery.

7. You shall not steal.

8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.

10. You shall not covet you neighbor's goods.

The main thing about Doctrine and correction is: the OT is suitable for correction and only Jesus (the OT Word of God) is teacher, not any man, not me. not the Pope. and not the apostles.

I've never heard of a Catholic ten commandments but I'll look into that. That the Catholic church is the beast or pagan is a falsehood and I;ll just leave it at that. It ia a matter of some people's opinion and it just an attempt to vilify the Catholic church. I'll leave it at that since this isn't the place to debate this issue.

 

[Albion]

<<<She's probably the best known of the churches which say that of themselves.>>> She maybe the only one to say it but most imply it.

No, they don't. Most Christian denominations believe that the true church is bigger than any denomination, including their own.

The point I made was if the SDA is hated for claiming to be the true church the hatred is in vain; there is no reward for anyone; if the SDA hated the other churches abrogating the Law of God, there would be merit from God in that hatred.

That's fine as a personal opinion, but the question was WHY are they hated (if they are).

 

[Albion]

That the Catholic church is the beast or pagan is a falsehood and I;ll just leave it at that. It ia a matter of some people's opinion and it just an attempt to vilify the Catholic church by Protestants. I'll leave it at that since this isn't the place to debate this issue.

It might have been better if you had left it at that without vilifying Protestants in general for a POV that is held by relatively few of them.

 

[rturner76]

It might have been better if you had left it at that without vilifying Protestants in general for a POV that is held by relatively few of them.

You are very right. I should have said only certain people and a small minority at that. I apologize for not being clear in that regard. I should go back and change it.

 

[ClementofA]

It's alleged that EGW & SDA's believe Satan bears our sins:

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