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I have never seen a debate go so off topic.

Must be because of the thread title.

Hate attracts like smell all sorts of flies.
this is actually on topic.

why do people hate SDA. I do not hate them, but I hate every evil way as God does also, and so if any love the Lord they hate evil

To preach another jesus and imply that an archangel Michael is actually Jesus is heresy according to many, so they will expose that. Some may see that as hate but not so. It is the truth that makes men free. This is such a serious issue and the words here so serious I cannot stress the importance. Yet those who are in the false ideas about Jesus and the law etc are often not able to see things being tossed about by erroneous views that are taught for centuries. The same bias and confusion exist in many other assemblies who have erroneous doctrine. It is a challenge to have them see the truth. To take off the rose coloured glasses is difficult.

some verses to consider about hate

Psalm 139:22
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."

Proverbs 6:16
These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:"

Deuteronomy 16:22
Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the Lord thy God hateth.

Psalm 119:104
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate everyfalse way."

Deuteronomy 12:31
Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for everyabomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
 
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Is Jesus our High Priest?... I thought He was the Son of God? How can He be both??


John 6:69
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son ofthe living God."

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

and here is your answer

"3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

...

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth,
Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)

22
By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an
unchangeable priesthood.

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

26
For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
 
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this is actually on topic.

why do people hate SDA. I do not hate them, but I hate every evil way as God does also, and so if any love the Lord they hate evil

To preach another jesus and imply that an archangel Michael is actually Jesus is heresy according to many, so they will expose that. Some may see that as hate but not so. It is the truth that makes men free. This is such a serious issue and the words here so serious I cannot stress the importance. Yet those who are in the false ideas about Jesus and the law etc are often not able to see things being tossed about by erroneous views that are taught for centuries. The same bias and confusion exist in many other assemblies who have erroneous doctrine. It is a challenge to have them see the truth. To take off the rose coloured glasses is difficult.

some verses to consider about hate

Psalm 139:22
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."

Proverbs 6:16
These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:"

Deuteronomy 16:22
Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the Lord thy God hateth.

Psalm 119:104
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate everyfalse way."

Deuteronomy 12:31
Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for everyabomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.


And still you will not see that no one has taught another Jesus, but that you will not acknowledge who Joshua was worshipping is very telling. It is easier to sidetrack than to answer the questions. You think no one notices your avoidance?
 
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And no one has taught another Jesus, none has taught that Jesus is an angel--none has denied the Son. Sorry you can not see that Joshua would not have worshipped an angel--you refuse to even acknowledge this, it's obvious you do not want to see it.
I gave you the answer and you seemed to ignore it

here it is again

When God speaks through a prophet the prophet is not God. But if someone walked by and heard the prophet say " I am the Lord Your God, repent my people and turn to me". The people listening on might wrongly think the prophet was saying he is God. But this is not the case. Just as God can also speak through an angel or the many arch angels. The arachangels are not God.

When some try to say well, men have fallen on their face before the captain of the Lords Host and worshipped. They say, "aha, there a man worshipped an angel. No this is not the case either ( and if they did they were wrong to do so. When a man hears God's words come out of a man or angel, they are in the presence of God speaking to them this is awe inspiring and a powerful thing, the men may fall on their face and worship God but they would not be worshipping angels. It is God and His word that moves them and in the presence of God as they fall down. We see a similar example of this in 1 Cor 14 as we read,

"24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so
falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth."


Here the men do not worship the man even though they fall down and worship. They are worshipping God through the man. Similar can be said when men fall before angels and worship. Scriptures tells men not to worship angels.
 
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And still you will not see that no one has taught another Jesus, but that you will not acknowledge who Joshua was worshipping is very telling. It is easier to sidetrack than to answer the questions. You think no one notices your avoidance?
Is Michael just one of the many archangels, or is he Jesus Christ to you? is he God to you?

a simple answer may suffice, Yes or no..
 
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John 6:69
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son ofthe living God."

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

and here is your answer

"3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

...

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth,
Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)

22
By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an
unchangeable priesthood.

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

26
For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.


Then He is obviously more than Jesus the Son of God---He is our High Priest---another title of an office He holds. Glad you see that, it is headway.
 
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Then He is obviously more than Jesus the Son of God---He is our High Priest---another title of an office He holds. Glad you see that, it is headway.
an angel , or arch angel ( of which there are many) is referring to beings, created beings. God was manifest in the flesh ONCE, in Jesus, not manifest as an angel, This is your heresy take heed. God does not come in the form of an angel as you imply. Men might see men speak first person for God or God might speak through an angel who can be a prophet as well, but they are never God the creator .
 
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When some try to say well, men have fallen on their face before the captain of the Lords Host and worshipped. They say, "aha, there a man worshipped an angel. No this is not the case either ( and if they did they were wrong to do so.

Again, why did the angel not reprimand Joshua but go on to tell him to take his shoes off for the ground was holy? Can an angel make any ground holy? Who alone can ask for this worship?? This was no angel!!
 
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an angel , or arch angel ( of which there are many) is referring to beings, created beings. God was manifest in the flesh ONCE, in Jesus, not manifest as an angel, This is your heresy take heed. God does not come in the form of an angel as you imply. Men might see men speak first person for God or God might speak through an angel who can be a prophet as well, but they are never God the creator .

I never implied God comes as an angel, NEVER implied that. No prophet, no man, no angel, no one can make the ground they stand on holy but God---no one.
 
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OK--I don't seem to be saying this right so maybe I should use someone else's' words.
Ad Yes, I know what this all means.

Forms and Transliterations
בִּמְשִׁ֣יחַ בִּמְשִׁ֥יחַ בִּמְשִׁיחָ֔י בִמְשִׁיחָ֑י במשיח במשיחי הַמָּשִׁ֖יחַ הַמָּשִׁ֛יחַ הַמָּשִׁ֧יחַ המשיח לִמְשִׁ֣יחַ לִמְשִׁיח֗וֹ לִמְשִׁיח֛וֹ לִמְשִׁיחִֽי׃ לִמְשִׁיחוֹ֮ למשיח למשיחו למשיחי׃ מְשִׁ֙יחַ֙ מְשִׁ֣יחַ מְשִׁ֥יחַ מְשִׁ֫יח֥וֹ מְשִׁיח֗וֹ מְשִׁיח֣וֹ מְשִׁיחִ֖י מְשִׁיחֶ֑יךָ מְשִׁיחֶ֑ךָ מְשִׁיחֶֽךָ׃ מְשִׁיחֽוֹ׃ מְשִׁיחוֹ֙ מָשִׁ֖יחַ מָשִׁ֣יחַ מָשִׁ֥יחַ משיח משיחו משיחו׃ משיחי משיחיך משיחך משיחך׃
bim·šî·aḥ bim·šî·ḥāy ḇim·šî·ḥāy bimShiach bimshiChai bimšîaḥ bimšîḥāy ḇimšîḥāy ham·mā·šî·aḥ hammaShiach hammāšîaḥ lim·šî·aḥ lim·šî·ḥî lim·šî·ḥōw limShiach limshiChi limshiCho limšîaḥ limšîḥî limšîḥōw mā·šî·aḥ maShiach māšîaḥ mə·šî·aḥ mə·šî·ḥe·ḵā mə·šî·ḥî mə·šî·ḥōw meShiach meshiChecha meshiCheicha meshiChi meshiCho məšîaḥ məšîḥeḵā məšîḥî məšîḥōw vimshiChai

Brenton Greek Septuagint (LXX, Restored Names)

And thou shalt know and understand, that from the going forth of the command for the answer and for the building of Jerusalem until the Anointed{gr.Christ} the prince [there shall be] seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks; and then [the time] shall return, and the street shall be built, and the wall, and the times shall be exhausted.
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(25) Know therefore.—The difficulty of this verse is considerably increased by the principal accent in the Hebrew text being placed after the words “seven weeks.” According to the present punctuation, the translation is “Unto an Anointed one a prince shall be seven weeks, and during sixty and two weeks [Jerusalem] shall be built up” . . . This is opposed (1) to ancient translations except the LXX.; (2) to Daniel 9:26, which connects the sixty-two weeks with the Anointed, and not with the building of the city.
The commandment.—To be explained, as in Daniel 9:23, to mean revelation. But to what revelation is the allusion? Is it to the edict of Cyrus (Ezra 6:14), which Isaiah predicts (Isaiah 44:28)? Or are we to explain it of what happened in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes? (See Excursus G.) It is obvious that there is no reference to Jeremiah’s prophecy, for nothing is there stated which can be interpreted to be a command to rebuild Jerusalem.

Messiah the Prince.—Literally, an Anointed one, a prince, the two nouns being placed in apposition, and the article omitted before each, the person and the office of the person contemplated being sufficiently definite. He is to be “anointed,” that is, King and Priest at once (see 1Samuel 10:1; 1Samuel 13:14; 1Samuel 25:30); in fact, He is to possess those attributes which in other passages are ascribed to the Messiah. It is needless to point out that Cyrus, though spoken of (Isaiah 45:1) as an “anointed of Jehovah,” cannot be indicated here. By no calculation can he be said to have come either seven weeks or, sixty-nine weeks from the time of the commencement of the Captivity

Barnes' Notes on the Bible
The Vulgate renders this, Usque ad Christum ducem - "even to Christ the leader," or ruler. The Syriac, "to the advent of Christ the king." Theodotion, ἕως Χριστοῦ ἡγουμένου heōs Christou hēgoumenou - "Christ the leader," or ruler. The question whether this refers to Christ will be more appropriately considered at the close of the verse. The inquiry will then occur, also, whether this refers to his birth, or to his appearance as the anointed one - his taking upon himself publicly the office. The language would apply to either, though it would perhaps more properly refer to the latter - to the time when he should appear as such - or should be anointed, crowned, or set apart to the office, and be fully instituted in it. It could not be demonstrated that either of these applications would be a departure from the fair interpretation of the words, and the application must be determined by some other circumstances, if any are expressed. What those are in the case will be considered at the close of the verse.

The Prince - נגיד nāgı̂yd. This word properly means a leader, a prefect, a prince. It is a word of very general character, and might be applied to any leader or ruler. It is applied to an overseer, or, as we should say, a "secretary" of the treasury, 1 Chronicles 26:24; 2 Chronicles 31:12; an overseer of the temple, 1 Chronicles 9:11; 2 Chronicles 31:13; of the palace, 2 Chronicles 28:7; and of military affairs, 1 Chronicles 13:1; 2 Chronicles 32:21. It is also used absolutely to denote a prince of a people, any one of royal dignity, 1 Samuel 9:16; 1 Samuel 10:1; 1 Samuel 13:14. - Gesenius. So far as this word, therefore, is concerned, it would apply to any prince or leader, civil or military; any one of royal dignity, or who should distinguish himself, or make himself a leader in civil, ecclesiastical, or military affairs, or who should receive an appointment to any such station. It is a word which would be as applicable to the Messiah as to any other leader, but which has nothing in itself to make it necessary to apply it to him. All that can be fairly deduced from its use here is, that it would be some prominent leader; some one that would be known without anymore definite designation; someone on whom the mind would naturally rest, and someone to whom when he appeared it would be applied without hesitation and without difficulty. There can be no doubt that a Hebrew, in the circumstances of Daniel, and with the known views and expectations of the Hebrew people, would apply such a phrase to the Messiah

Yes, I have no doubt that this passage has often been interpreted in such a fashion, one can find similar interpretations among the fathers, Africanus, Origen, Tertullian, etc (c.f. St. Jerome's Commentary on Daniel, the 9th chapter).

And I would still argue my point, however; and it remains a rather common position among contemporary exegetes.

I would particularly take issue with the comment "He is to be “anointed,” that is, King and Priest at once", this is by no means something which can be established by the use of the term; for the use of anointing--the application of oil for the consecrating of a person or thing--was used of kings, priests, and others without it needing to be all at the same time. Saul was anointed the king of Israel, and then later David was also anointed the king of Israel. They were anointed, but neither Saul nor David occupied the position of priest in Israel, indeed, for Saul a Benjamite and David a son of Judah could not occupy a post that was granted to only Levites of Aaron's lineage. And yet, Saul and David were both anointed. By stating that the naqid in question is meschiach--anointed--does not render the individual both "king and priest", only that they have been consecrated by God to a particular purpose or task.

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I never implied God comes as an angel, NEVER implied that. No prophet, no man, no angel, no one can make the ground they stand on holy but God---no one.
an angel can tell people the ground is holy that doesn't make that angel any more than an angel
 
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Then He is obviously more than Jesus the Son of God---He is our High Priest---another title of an office He holds. Glad you see that, it is headway.
Jesus is prophet , priest and King and there are many other aspects of His character and ministry but he is never one of the many arch angels.

Michael is a proper name of one of the arch angels. simple.
 
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Jesus is prophet , priest and King and there are many other aspects of His character and ministry but he is never one of the many arch angels.

Michael is a proper name of one of the arch angels. simple.
no man should worship angels as scrupture teaches
 
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To all who read,

I find it amazing how some will try to hold onto their doctrine no matter how it is exposed. they will go all over the place and try hard to make scriptures say what they think, and to imply what they don't , I marvel at the twisting and error
 
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Again, why did the angel not reprimand Joshua but go on to tell him to take his shoes off for the ground was holy? Can an angel make any ground holy? Who alone can ask for this worship?? This was no angel!!
Does Paul tell the Corinthians that when a prophet speaks Gods words and men fall on their faces before them and worship God and that God is in them of a truth to reprimand the man doing so? NO.

You are assuming too much in your understanding and making it say what it doesn't. You hang your entire theology on that ?
 
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an angel can tell people the ground is holy that doesn't make that angel any more than an angel

Nope---an angel can not make the ground holy--God alone can do that. There was only one being
Jesus is prophet , priest and King and there are many other aspects of His character and ministry but he is never one of the many arch angels.

Michael is a proper name of one of the arch angels. simple.

there with Joshua.

Exo 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
Exo_3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
 
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Again, why did the angel not reprimand Joshua but go on to tell him to take his shoes off for the ground was holy? Can an angel make any ground holy? Who alone can ask for this worship?? This was no angel!!
where does it say that the Captain of the host is Michael? and there are many arch angels as scripture says
 
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To all who read,

I find it amazing how some will try to hold onto their doctrine no matter how it is exposed. they will go all over the place and try hard to make scriptures say what they think, and to imply what they don't , I marvel at the twisting and error

I find it remarkable that you keep talking as though you have a great audience.


Does pPaul tell the Corinthians that when a profit speaks Gods words and men fall on their faces before them and worship God and that God is in them of a truth to reprimand the man doing so? NO.

What are you talking about??
 
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