Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

[LoveofTruth]

You have not read all the posts on here or you would have gotten your answer long ago---It has been said over and over

Jesus Christ is from everlasting to everlasting, He always was and always will be, He is the one and only Son of God, He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, He is Jehovah. He is the great I AM, He is the Captain of the hosts of the Lord, Michael, He is the Alpha and the Omega, God, Savior, Brother, The Lamb, our High Priest, the Burning Bush, He who sits on the right hand of God, the writer of the 10 commandments, the Creator of everything that has ever been made, and much, much more!!!

He is not Michael the created being. This is another jesus to say so.

 

[mmksparbud]

people often will fall down before angels or any spiritual being or things that seem from God. This does not say the angel there accepted worship. We see even John trying to do this in revelation and the angel forbid him. Moses fell to his face also at the burning bush we see other examples of this.

But i ask is jesus Christ in you? and is Jesus Christ God manifest in the flesh, the eternal Son of God sent from the father ? Is Jesus Christ part of the Godhead, or trinity?

Did you not understand the answer in the post right above this???
I'll make it clearer------

YES!!!!! It's been said several times.

 

[Andrewofthetribe]

Did you not understand the answer in the post right above this???
I'll make it clearer------

YES!!!!! It's been said several times.

I sense a little frustration here.

 

[mmksparbud]

He is not Michael the created being. This is another jesus to say so.

Michael is not a created being, He is captain of the hosts of the Lord, He is our prince. It is a title along with all those others He has----is He a created Lamb? Is He a created Human High Priest? NO!! They are titles, and Joshua did worship---

os_5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
No angel can make the ground holy!! God alone!!

 

[mmksparbud]

I sense a little frustration here.

Was it something I said??

 

[LoveofTruth]

Did you not understand the answer in the post right above this???
I'll make it clearer------

YES!!!!! It's been said several times.

The argument here stems on the identity of the angel Michael. Who he is what he is and to say he is jesus is the error in my and many other believers understanding.

The word "Michael" in Hebrew means, "who (is) like God?" it does not say he is God.

also the word "archangel" means "chief angel" in rank of other angels in Greek. Notice the word "angel" there, he is still an angel. This is so clear to the unbiased reader. Never should any man worship any angel, or call them God etc.

"4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they....For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him." ( Hebrews 1:4, 5,6 KJV)


Notice that no angel or arch angel, is referred to here. Angel in Hebrew and greek is still referred to in the meanings. Archangel, is simply a head or chief ANGEL. as the language says. It is faulty theology and another Jesus to say that any angel, or head or chief angel in rank is Jesus Christ.

Also the angels of God worship the Son of God.


Also

"Colossians 2:18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,"

also

When the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 1:9)

if Michael was the Lord why would he say this about the Lord, separate from himself?

 

[LoveofTruth]

I sense a little frustration here.

It may be frustration for them their different Jesus is being shown to not be the biblical Jesus. Jesus Christ is not an angel.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Was it something I said??

Michael is not the only CHIEF princes or chief angel

"13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia." (Daniel 10:13 KJV)

so if there are other archangels equal to Micheal, then he cannot be the greatest or the Lord Jesus Christ the eternal Son of God,

 

[LoveofTruth]

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (1 Th 4:16)

So the Lord jesus is not the archangel who sounds the trumpet.

 

[LoveofTruth]

A warning to all - if you think that the Genesis 18 statement that God and 2 angels are "three men" means they are just "three men" you are most certainly mistaken. They are in fact God and 2 angels -- just the same.



Indeed no praying to angels.

And no praying to men either. If you think that Genesis 18 statement about God and 2 angels described as "three men" means that God and the angels are "men" --- you would be mistaken. Please don't pray to men or worship them.



Indeed - yes - "Christ in me - the hope of glory" - for "20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me."

Thanks for asking.

in Christ,

Bob

Michael is not the only CHIEF princes or chief angel

"13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia." (Daniel 10:13KJV)

so if there are other archangels equal to Micheal, then he cannot be the greatest or the Lord Jesus Christ the eternal Son of God,

 

[mmksparbud]

It may be frustration for them their different Jesus is being shown to not be the biblical Jesus. Jesus Christ is not an angel.

Nobody ever said He was!

 

[LoveofTruth]

To me this is a vital issue. When Jesus asked his disciples who do men say that I am This is very important how they answer. Peter said he was the Christ the Son of God. He did not say he is Michael one of the archangels.

To have a different Jesus is warned about in scripture.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Nobody ever said He was!

do you believe Michael who is just one of many of the archangels is Jesus Christ?

 

[LoveofTruth]

Nobody ever said He was!

Did not you say

"Jesus Christ is ... the Captain of the hosts of the Lord, Michael,"

??

 

[LoveofTruth]

to all,

Michael is not the only CHIEF princes or chief angel

"13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia." (Daniel 10:13KJV)

so if there are other archangels equal to Micheal, then he cannot be the greatest or the Lord Jesus Christ the eternal Son of God,

 

[mmksparbud]

You do not address the points brought up---Joshua worshiped this being---not something he would do with any angel, no angel can declare the ground he stands on to be holy--only God can.
Dan 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Is any angel our price?---No!

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (1 Th 4:16)

That's and interesting verse. It says the Lord Himself will come down WITH THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL?
What is this verse supposed to mean to you?
--- Are you saying Jesus come's with a disembodied voice of an archangel, or is He impersonating this archangel?? Are you saying this archangel is a being that can call the dead to life?? What are you trying to say??

 

[mmksparbud]

Did not you say

"Jesus Christ is ... the Captain of the hosts of the Lord, Michael,"

??

Michael is a title of Jesus---not a created being. He is captain of the hosts of the Lord, (a title)who Joshua worshipped, who declared the ground holy---

 

[ViaCrucis]

you claim an angel, Michael, as your prince??
Dan_10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

Spoken to Daniel, as Michael is described as the guardian angel of Israel.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Andrewofthetribe]

It may be frustration for them their different Jesus is being shown to not be the biblical Jesus. Jesus Christ is not an angel.

Who said Jesus was an angel?

 

[mmksparbud]

Spoken to Daniel, as Michael is described as the guardian angel of Israel.

-CryptoLutheran

An angel is Daniels prince?! Where does it say Michael is a guardian angel?

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.